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RE: sadist master - 12/1/2012 8:46:38 PM   
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23 and damn cute.....
We're all going at this the wrong way.


You know, master4eva, the best way to teach something (especially in BDSM) is to approach it from the other side of the kneel.  Fly me to Australia and I'll teach you how to suppress your own gag reflex.  I have just the right tool to help you.  I've been told my dick is "Challenging, but possible."






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RE: sadist master - 12/1/2012 8:48:55 PM   
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And once again, as usual, poise and I are on the same page.
Except, m'dear, you missed the "MoneyIsNoObject-ICansEvenHaz2" part of his profile, or didn't you get to the end? LOL

I truly went as far as I could, Lance. I'm about as much a masochist as the op is a master.
It's certainly a pleasure seeing you on the boards again!

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RE: sadist master - 12/1/2012 8:50:56 PM   
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Clearly ive worded this wrong i ment (e.g gag reflex) that type of thing.

Okay, guys.... he got directed to google for deep-throating.  Let's let him off the hook for that and see what other things he means by "that type of thing."

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RE: sadist master - 12/1/2012 8:58:17 PM   
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Well, HOT DAMN!

master4eva blocked my CMail to him.......

I SWOOOOOOooooooooo..............n with delight at his mature attitude - NOT!

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RE: sadist master - 12/1/2012 9:01:53 PM   
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i like to bat my eyelashes. maybe get partially undressed in front of them. moan a little bit. that seem to work for me.

no but my subs tend to already be weak as fuck and they know what they want and what they need to do to get it. of course corporal punishments and humiliation is good for general conditioning... and my amusement

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RE: sadist master - 12/1/2012 9:14:02 PM   
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RE: sadist master - 12/1/2012 9:39:15 PM   
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quote:

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quote:

ORIGINAL: master4eva
Clearly ive worded this wrong i ment (e.g gag reflex) that type of thing.

Okay, guys.... he got directed to google for deep-throating.  Let's let him off the hook for that and see what other things he means by "that type of thing."

C'mon, master4eva.... May I call you "eva"?  What other things?
(I see you "in the rafters.")


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RE: sadist master - 12/1/2012 10:14:14 PM   
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Ok, I see a lot of snark sharks circling.

OP, you are getting this tone of the responses for a
few reasons, probably mainly...
The concept of "breaking" a slave is something that
will induce some eye rolling because it is commonly
a product of a kind of fantasy, bdsm porn master
image which tends to be snarked at a bit by more
experienced people.

As far as me, the kind of "training" I think you are
driving towards, is in practice a more overtime and
gradual journey type of deal, which requires above
all imagination and patience rather than force.

I'm not the most experienced "master" though, more
a slow and steady kind of dom. But I do get the
gag reflex thing sorted out pretty well, it does take
a couple years of being pretty persistent and
consistant but maybe slow and steady is the best
way when the alternative is being covered in puke.

Also people tend to be a bit reserved when they get
posters asking things which could be used as wank
fodder.

-Aries

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RE: sadist master - 12/1/2012 10:14:43 PM   
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No worries, OP. Just use the same technique that worked for you to improve your talent. From what I can tell, you're getting something shoved down your throat and I haven't seen you gag yet.

Do you know why you don't discuss chemistry with a little tot in Kindergarten? It's because there is no possible way for such a small mind to have the competence to grasp the subject. The reason that you don't give them a chemistry set? Because they will either hurt themselves, someone else, or blow the damn house up.

Kidding aside, you're obviously a guy who likes his dick sucked. Well, I happen to like that, too. I can't feel the sensation via the strap on, but it makes for a great visual. You know how I got that done the way I wanted it? I WORKED WITH THE INDIVIDUAL THAT I EXPERIENCE THAT PLAY WITH. Guess what? That actually works. Granted, it doesn't work with random chick that you pick up and manage to get her to give you a hummer. It does work when you work with the same person over and over to achieve the goal.

Go to an educational event, OP. I'm better there are other things you could learn about the bedroom.


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RE: sadist master - 12/1/2012 11:09:31 PM   
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You sound like you are bragging that you have a magic wand or spell.

My guess its the wand he's smuggling in his pants & if he had a spell he wouldn't need us!!

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RE: sadist master - 12/2/2012 12:18:59 AM   
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OP - I doubt you'll be back but here I go anyway.

You've had some pretty snarky responses here. The reason for that is threefold; 1) 'breaking' a slave is seen as a fantasy term, or one used by people who have no concern for the welfare of their property. Fine, just a phrasing error, you're new to this community and didn't know. 2) your question, when clarified, was still pretty vague, and people were already feeling a bit grumpy after point 1. 3) your profile claims an enormous amount of experience and expertise that your questions seem to contradict. What we do carries both physical and emotional risks especially for the sub/slave. Overstating one's experience can make you very dangerous. There's nothing wrong with people who don't know very much, but there is something wrong with people claiming to know more than they do since that might result in a sub putting themselves in a risky situation. Some of the folks here have a lot of real-life experience and have also seen people hurt. You can see why this upsets them.

Now to your question.

I'm going to assume by 'breaking' you just mean 'how did you inspire obedience in your slave'. If that's the case, he did it by being awesome. He was reliable, honest, trustworthy and sensible. He thought things through. He made his decisions carefully in the best interest of both of us and our relationship. He introduced me to the more difficult things gradually and never gave in the temptation to push me too hard because he was sexually excited. He took my feelings into account and gave me reassurance when I needed it. He took the time to learn how to do things safely. He got to know me well and learn my reactions, fears and turn ons. He couldn't just make me his slave - he had to work at it. We had to work at it together.

Now as for learning physical skills - the same way you'd learn anything else. Patient and diligent practice. Let's say you wanted to learn to do the splits (what man doesn't?). Once you were confident you were using proper form so you didn't hurt yourself, you'd just practice every day, and each time push a tiny bit further and hold a tiny bit longer, so you always challenged yourself but didn't over do it. The same works with deepthroating.



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RE: sadist master - 12/2/2012 4:47:09 AM   
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'how did you inspire obedience in your slave'.
he did it by being awesome.

You or your master should definitely write a book on slave training. In fact I wish we could put that post glued to the top of the boards. I've had a lot of success with the "be awesome" method also although it's a lot of work. At least I get to be focused though. I can spend 98% of my effort being awesome and 2% dominating Carol because the whole "...and then she obeys" part is just automatic.

Does anyone think there's any chance the OP will realize this is a serious post?

edited to add
I had to go reread the thread to realize that the phrase "breaking a phrase" translates to "teach her how to deep throat". I'd say a combanation of styles is required here. From the antiqutieis of Greece the Athenian school of slave breaking suggests starting out with "being awesome". From there, I suspect you could probably employ a lot of strategies but I'd favor the one suggested by the house of Kana in their newly discovered and revealed "Manifestium o BlowJobs"... tell her to google it and practice.

OP, I'm going to try to help you out also. What has happened to you is that you came to a forum where a bunch of adults discuss these things in a serious fashion. For many of us it is either our marriage or the equivalent thereof. But you brought with you a childish understanding of the topic and an entirely fantasy based view of everything. Your profile only declares you a liar since had you done any world travelling at all and inquired of any masters about their secrets for "breaking slaves" you'd already know how foolish the concept was. In short, we're all having fun at your expense because you first decided to do so with us.


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RE: sadist master - 12/2/2012 8:13:53 AM   
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ORIGINAL: AthenaSurrenders
. He was reliable, honest, trustworthy and sensible. He thought things through. He made his decisions carefully in the best interest of both of us and our relationship. He introduced me to the more difficult things gradually and never gave in the temptation to push me too hard because he was sexually excited. He took my feelings into account and gave me reassurance when I needed it. He took the time to learn how to do things safely. He got to know me well and learn my reactions, fears and turn ons. He couldn't just make me his slave - he had to work at it. We had to work at it together.


Athena's got it. No amount of "training" or punishment is going to inspire someone to follow you once the tingly genitals wear off. What inspires someone to follow you is what Athena pointed out.


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RE: sadist master - 12/2/2012 8:23:30 AM   
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Gain control of the mind and the body will follow. You need no numbing agents for that, thats cheating. lol. the first takes alot of time.

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RE: sadist master - 12/2/2012 8:59:54 AM   
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Great, now I have the Red Hot Chili Peppers song "Breaking The Girl" flowing through my head!

But I digress...

I doubt you are going to come back based on the epic smack down issued so far, but Ill go ahead and chime in with my $0.02. OP, put down the BDSM porn. Seriously! Breaking slaves? Who the hell says this shit? If you are genuinely trying to learn, Im all for it. Lesson #1: quit talking like an uber dom jackass and start talking like a human being. Being a dominant to a submissive/slave is a huge responsibility. I cant tell you how to break a slave because I personally dont like breaking people. Im a creator, not a destroyer. I take the responsibility of caring for someone's physical, emotional, and mental well-being seriously. Though slaves and submissives happen to be some of the strongest people I know, what we do can cause tremendous harm to someone. Dont do it until you exorcise the uber dom out of you.

Oh wait, you said we misunderstood you and you were looking for ways to get rid of gag reflexes and things like that. People pointed out Google and various other things you can try. But you are not going to be able to get rid of someone's gag reflex completely. Unless you perform brain surgery and remove the pharyngeal nerve. Its best to leave that to neurosurgeons though. As worldly traveled as you are, I doubt you've gone to med school or anything yet.

Or you could always take a little off the top. You wont have to worry about the little head triggering her gag reflex then

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RE: sadist master - 12/2/2012 9:11:26 AM   
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ORIGINAL: SeekingTrinity
<snipped>
Or you could always take a little off the top. You wont have to worry about the little head triggering her gag reflex then

PERFECT!!!
I didn't even LOL.
I gasped with delight at your suggestion for surgery for the suckee.
I suggested surgery for the sucker way back.

ETA: way back at post #13.

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RE: sadist master - 12/2/2012 9:15:06 AM   
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Oh dear. I'm afraid i have to agree with most on this thread. OP, you come across as delusional. For one, unless you are a trust fund baby, there is no way you can have "travelled the world" in four years. Hit maybe a couple of countries, sure, but not the world. Its expensive to travel - especially from Auz.

Perhaps if you had come and said some thing along the lines of "I'm new, i'm interested and would someone give me a few pointers." That gets a good response most of the time, with a low snark factor.

The other thing you should do is find a local group, join and talk to people. You don't have to know every thing to have a sub, but you need to know people to ask questions of. You may be confusing the "being dominant" with the accutriments of dominant behaviour - eg. use of canes, nipple clamps and so on. Using equipment doesn't make you dominant - you either are or you aren't. The only thing you can learn is how to channel that dominant urge into a caring relationship. There are people on this forum who are in relationships that don't involve pain, or humiliation, or humbling or any other adjective you can come up with. They are in a dominant/submissive relationship that is purely emotional with little that others would recognise as such. Get a handle on what you want, then use google.

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RE: sadist master - 12/2/2012 9:20:00 AM   
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He last logged off 6 hours ago.  I think he's still with us.

Best practice at this point...... "Thanks guys and gals.  I think I've got it.  I'll be back in a bit to start over.  Some of you said to get off the porn.  Anything I should read?"

ETA: Here's a newbie dom's intro:
http://www.collarchat.com/m_4314051/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm#4314051
that is NOT goning to get snarky posts.

It is NO problem to be a newbie dom - we ALL started with the same knowledge, namely ZERO.

ETAA: OP keeps perving me.  What's up with that?  Am I going to get a ticket to the land of Oz so I can help him face-to-face?


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RE: sadist master - 12/2/2012 9:24:17 AM   
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ORIGINAL: master4eva

I am trying find new techniques to break slaves so if there are any masters here i would like to hear of experiences or even slaves!


Righty. Have you visited Mexico City by chance? B/c I have a 'sub' all lined up for you.

As others have made abundantly clear, your lack of experience in even the rudiments of domination is apparent from your post. Your profile provided some additional chuckles.

Please, get out into the real world of BDSM, there's lots of it in OZ.



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RE: sadist master - 12/2/2012 9:46:20 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LanceHughes

He last logged off 6 hours ago.  I think he's still with us.

Best practice at this point...... "Thanks guys and gals.  I think I've got it.  I'll be back in a bit to start over.  Some of you said to get off the porn.  Anything I should read?"

ETA: Here's a newbie dom's intro:
http://www.collarchat.com/m_4314051/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm#4314051
that is NOT goning to get snarky posts.

It is NO problem to be a newbie dom - we ALL started with the same knowledge, namely ZERO.

ETAA: OP keeps perving me.  What's up with that?  Am I going to get a ticket to the land of Oz so I can help him face-to-face?


If you're going to suggest that he read something, I don't necessarily think it should be an intro by somebody else. How about something more along these lines? http://www.collarchat.com/m_1726118/tm.htm


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