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RE: Whats your theory? - 12/3/2012 3:30:55 PM   
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The problem is that people lie with their actions.
People who are actually attracted to each other pretend that they are not to send false value signals.
People who aren't attracted to each other pair out of desperation or are just incapable of saying no.
Without the lies, this value system works rather well.
You only get the attention and affection of people who perceive you as an appropriate match for them.


I think this is very astute. It is the lies and the using of this dynamic as a game that usually ends unpleasantly. I have noticed too that the men that I tended to not be interested in and were distant with pursued harder, which was annoying since I wasn't playing a game; I really wasn't interested. I am not going to play aloof just to get or keep someone's attention, but I have learned that sharing everything right off the bat is not wise for a variety of reasons.

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RE: Whats your theory? - 12/3/2012 3:46:18 PM   
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Why do you think this is.


When someone seems cool and aloft, emotionally unvailable, but you have a high attraction for that person, why do you think they appear more attractive, and you want them more.


THe old saying " we always want what we cant have type thing"


Biological drive towards higher value partners.
If you attract someone easily, if they are quick to give you all of their attention and value, some part of you questions if you bargained too low.
If someone is less attached, it suggests that they are of too high a value to be troubled with paying much attention to you.
Thus your biology prompts you to fight for that high-value pairing.

The subconscious evaluation continues something along the lines of..

A high value mate is an important part of the equation but not the sole part.
Once you've (temporarily) attracted this mate, you need to evaluate if they are a good companion.
Will they protect you and your offspring?
As long as there is mystery, there are variables to be discovered and calculated.
Once the mystery is gone, however, the full calculation is complete and the judgement is made.

Meaning either the potential partner is either not as high value as previously thought. (Nice guy who was pretending to be a jerk.)
Or they cannot be held to a safe and healthy relationship. (Jerk who ran out of mystery.)
Or both. (Jerk who wasn't that high value to begin with, despite his social actions, who ran out of mystery.)

Or things turn out well sometimes. (Distant personality turned out to be a really good and valuable guy.)

The problem is that people lie with their actions.
People who are actually attracted to each other pretend that they are not to send false value signals.
People who aren't attracted to each other pair out of desperation or are just incapable of saying no.
Without the lies, this value system works rather well.
You only get the attention and affection of people who perceive you as an appropriate match for them.

I've met my share of men who dished out their affection and attraction so quickly that it made them unattractive to me.
I do my share of cold-shouldering and ignoring people who I don't find worth my time.
Not in some fabricated attempt to be more alluring but because they really just aren't worth my time.
It honors my Master that my attention isn't handed out easily.
It honors me to know that I am with a man that is cold and aloof to those who don't earn his time.

It tells us both that we made good purchases with our value.





I appreciate everyones input truly. Love the thread. All is very appreciated. Thanks to Swan especially for such words of wisdom. The words just ring so true for me. Powerful post.

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RE: Whats your theory? - 12/3/2012 3:47:33 PM   
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It's the Tall dark and mysterious syndrome

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RE: Whats your theory? - 12/3/2012 4:06:28 PM   
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I do enjoy a certain air of surface mystery, and must confess to enjoying a certain level of healthy "drama". Perhaps for the same reasons that I enjoy puzzles.

But even early on in a relationship, I've always been highly attracted to men who connect with me intellectually and emotionally. And I've had the experience where someone can be just enough of a mystery, and yet somehow emotionally and intellectually connected.

I don't think I've ever had a relationship with someone who was cool, aloof and emotionally unavailable. Take it back. Once. But I have to say the attraction wasn't anywhere close to the attraction that I feel towards men who can walk that fine line between mysterious and emotionally connected. And the relationship never went anywhere for the obvious reasons. What do you do with an attraction that can't get any deeper. Let's just say we had a great play partner relationship and that was that.

I do admit though, that a man who has no air of mystery around him at all seems boring. I'm not sure I know why. Again, maybe it's because I like puzzles. I'm not one to lay all my cards on the table from the get go either, so maybe I'm just seeking someone similar. People are more interesting to each other when they offer at least some opportunity to peel back the layers. And by this, I don't mean it has to be full of drama or some sort of journey into the heart of darkness or anything like that. I just simply mean, it's unappealing in anyone to just have everything out there right away.

As humans we all like an element of surprise. Perhaps we are wired to seek that out with our partners too. Just enough of an air of mystery so people can discover things a step at a time? Keeps it interesting in the short term, and if coupled with emotional connection, can create a deep bond. A combination of solving a puzzle, and feeling appreciated also?

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RE: Whats your theory? - 12/3/2012 6:09:19 PM   
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because of fear or youth.

The youth like this because they see this person as the "bad boy" or "bad girl" and they are still looking for the wild and fun. That's what youth does.

Or, fear because people are afraid of emotions. They've been hurt and now they are jaded and bitter and by going for the cold and aloof they don't have to deal with all those nasty emotions coming to the forefront.

Or they grew up in a family where the parents were cold and aloof and they think that's the way it's supposed to be until one day it finally hits them that it's not healthy.


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RE: Whats your theory? - 12/3/2012 6:15:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: littlewonder

because of fear or youth.

The youth like this because they see this person as the "bad boy" or "bad girl" and they are still looking for the wild and fun. That's what youth does.

Or, fear because people are afraid of emotions. They've been hurt and now they are jaded and bitter and by going for the cold and aloof they don't have to deal with all those nasty emotions coming to the forefront.

Or they grew up in a family where the parents were cold and aloof and they think that's the way it's supposed to be until one day it finally hits them that it's not healthy.



I would like to tell you, you know what you are talking about. But this time you do not. Not even close.

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RE: Whats your theory? - 12/3/2012 6:18:29 PM   
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I wasn't talking about you.

You asked for theories, not theories on your issues.

I could give you a theory on your issues but you wouldn't like it.



< Message edited by littlewonder -- 12/3/2012 6:19:03 PM >


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RE: Whats your theory? - 12/3/2012 6:31:13 PM   
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I took it personal yes. You say whatever you want. Just it doesnt apply to me. You can say whatever you want to whatever you want, including what you think my issues are. Just theories.

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RE: Whats your theory? - 12/3/2012 6:36:59 PM   
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Your orignal posting only said theory. It did not say you are seeking a theory to YOUR issue.

But as for your issue, my theory is you are in a marriage where you are bored. You want excitement. By going after the cold and aloof "Doms" you get to play the cat and mouse game. You get off on the thrill of the chase. It adds that spark of life to you because you are not getting it in your marriage.

Take it or leave it. <shrug>


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RE: Whats your theory? - 12/3/2012 6:38:05 PM   
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ORIGINAL: absolutchocolat

i've been attracted to this type, and it's the air of mystery that makes them hot. once the mystery wears off, and i find out more about them, the thrill is gone. the person is usually a) an asshat or b) terribly insecure. either way, i run like hell when the mask falls.


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RE: Whats your theory? - 12/4/2012 12:25:28 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

You Can't always get what you want.

Yaknow, that would make a cool song.


But sometimes, ya get what ya need.....

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RE: Whats your theory? - 12/4/2012 12:36:54 AM   
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ORIGINAL: chatterbox24
When someone seems cool and aloft, emotionally unvailable, but you have a high attraction for that person, why do you think they appear more attractive, and you want them more.

THe old saying " we always want what we cant have type thing"


If you want what you can't have, it means you don't want it for real. You just want the fantasy. The fantasy provides many of the benefits of a real relationship, without any of the work.

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RE: Whats your theory? - 12/4/2012 5:39:13 AM   
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Can't say as I want someone emotionally unavailable or aloof. I suppose when I was younger the 'distant' type or the 'untouchable' guy seemed stronger, more impervious to the world and its issues. But that was the ignorance of youth. These days I want a man who is as passionate or even moreso than I can handle. I want him to feel, the way that I feel.

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RE: Whats your theory? - 12/4/2012 6:13:42 AM   
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ORIGINAL: ProlificNeeds

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Can't say as I want someone emotionally unavailable or aloof. I suppose when I was younger the 'distant' type or the 'untouchable' guy seemed stronger, more impervious to the world and its issues. But that was the ignorance of youth. These days I want a man who is as passionate or even moreso than I can handle. I want him to feel, the way that I feel.


I like this....it kind of describes my experience as well. I think the key word in his post is "seem." They "seem" stronger and more impervious......but most of the time they aren't. And yes....there is something about a passionate man, isn't there :)

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RE: Whats your theory? - 12/4/2012 8:00:43 AM   
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For me, Swan said it all. I don't think cold and aloof necessarily means anything other than the person isn't overly interested in you.

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RE: Whats your theory? - 12/4/2012 8:05:46 AM   
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RE: Whats your theory? - 12/4/2012 10:33:31 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

I tend to find myself attracted to those rather in the middle. Rather reserved and hesitant to make themselves available.

Kinda like me.

I am cool and aloof, emotionally unavailable..............until I'm not.


I'm more in agreement with this than the OP. I like the shy/hesitant types, brings out the predator side. I'm also not too quick to open up to people right away. But if someone is ALOOF and showing no romantic or sexual interest in me then the shiny fades pretty damn quick. It's why I've never understood months long or year + long crushes. I've had partners who have had a crush on the same girl(s) for years and years, with the girl showing absolutely no interest. Absolutely baffles me.

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RE: Whats your theory? - 12/4/2012 5:58:05 PM   
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ORIGINAL: chatterbox24

Has anyone ever experienced the "emotional high junky"

High to lows. For example, you are quite down, things arent going well, then something happens to bring you from that low back to a high. IT tends to repeat its self. You may even find the high even out, and you find yourself causing a low again, so you can get the high again. I asked earlier but is this what a masochist does?

I used to be that junky. My therapist equated the behavior to that of a drug addict. When he explained it, it suddenly became very clear to me, and I made some significant changes with myself.

These days, if someone is cool and aloof, I lose all interest. If the Mister behaved like that I'd have moved on without looking back. I wanted to know he IS just that into me. Cuz I like that kind of attention.

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RE: Whats your theory? - 12/4/2012 6:28:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Kana

It's the Tall dark and mysterious syndrome

Doesn't that usually disappear before we discover he farts & leaves dishes in the sink?

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RE: Whats your theory? - 12/4/2012 7:13:05 PM   
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It can be a carry over from childhood.
It can be a built in need for a challenge and
dismissing anything that seems easy as not
worth having.

But I think it's very often emotional immaturity.
Men who spend their lives mooning over
unobtainable women are usually insecure guys
who need the ego validation of a trophy woman.

Women who are always falling for cold distant
men have usually read to many romance novels,
are naive about men in general and usually have
a martyr complex to some degree or another.

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