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RE: Professors and their politics - 12/7/2012 12:14:57 PM   
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And since there were vast numbers of none of the above saying it, we should label ourselves economists, without having to take on the additional burden of politicos or the waste of pedantic puerile schooling in the obvious. 

Friedman(s) did, and they were all the rage.  Seems like you read Ayn Rand and you are a finacial fuckin wizard. 


Do not mistake your one-to-one dead-on understanding and fanatical commisseration with von Mises as my having any consideration whatsoever for "rape me, now!" Rand.

You can twist, you can slide, but you're still in that mental shit-trough, Clyde.




Having demonstrated overwhelmingly, your inability to pour piss out of a boot, and my never having read Von Mises, would make you the world champion felcher, Von Felcher.


There are lots of people who have never read von Mises who think just like he did, that being distrust, nay, hatred, of what was impossible for him, and his many inadvertent followers, to understand.

A large club you are in, there.

The masses speak.

Pardon if I don't listen.

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RE: Professors and their politics - 12/7/2012 12:15:06 PM   
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I blame them all. Poluticians, economists, statisticians, watch dog groups.... the whole kit and kabooble.



And that perpetuates the problem.

The knowledgeable spoke, the politicians ignored, and so now you blame everybody.

As said, the media have done their job well.


I disagree. If some hadnt taken the money, they all would have been on board. You think I hold the media blameless? Hardly. Which is why I am always researching.

How many also promote the tin foil hats? I posted one site where the owner voted for Obama and yet stated he wasnt born here. And this was supposedly a financial market site. So, we take a step back, and struggle to wade through all the bullshit and ridiculousness created by those in those industries, and we arent to hold the industry accountable?

Im glad you can pick and choose who did and who did not tell the truth. Im my eyes, the industries let the public down. They are all to blame.

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RE: Professors and their politics - 12/7/2012 12:17:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		No, I understand the asswipe entirely of the field of economics.  I also understand the field of religion.

Dungeons and Dragons is not a fantasy of which I subscribe to, in either case.

Example:  Free Market (never in the history of the world) why beat off on a bunch of meaningless monographs about it?


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RE: Professors and their politics - 12/7/2012 12:19:50 PM   
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No one has blamed the knowledgeable. 


You have done so repeatedly, through out this thread, and I am not speaking of myself.

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RE: Professors and their politics - 12/7/2012 12:24:29 PM   
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No, I understand the asswipe entirely of the field of economics.  I also understand the field of religion.

Dungeons and Dragons is not a fantasy of which I subscribe to, in either case.

Example:  Free Market (never in the history of the world) why beat off on a bunch of meaningless monographs about it?




Because enough political asswipes paid the money for some select few of them to beat off a bunch of meaningless monographs about it, just as they paid lawyers to do likewise in other realms, just as they paid chemists and geologists and whoever the fuck else to beat off whatever monographs the politicians and the corporations who hired them paid them to write.

Get half a clue, seriously.



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RE: Professors and their politics - 12/7/2012 12:30:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		But the politicians did not commission the Adam Smith book, nor the Friedman book, nor the Malthusian diatribes, nor any other form of explication from economists, proving once again that you lie and are unknowledgeble.

Having the exact same lack of any skill, intellect, or usefulness the politicians read something that said the words 'free market' from some economic garden slug (notably the director of customs for England, one Mr. Adam Smith) and parrotted his economic asswipe as if they had come to some independent commisseration on the subject.

Some dumbass said, I know this, and some other dumbass said, I will make use of that scam to scam 10 times the people he does, for more money.  

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RE: Professors and their politics - 12/7/2012 12:36:48 PM   
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But the politicians did not commission the Adam Smith book, nor the Friedman book, ...



No they didn't, they merely brought to attention and pounded into our heads one, or a select few, amongst thousands of other tracts written at that or anytime before or anytime after that suits their current agenda. The politicians' bosses, however, most certainly commission a plethora of obfuscational and self-serving books, magazines, blogs, etc. You can't expect the politician hirelings to come up with such funds on their own.

However slowly, you seem to be gradually getting it.

I don't blame politicians for Stalin or Hitler or even Atilla.

I DO blame them for Reagan and Thatcher, sorry.

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RE: Professors and their politics - 12/7/2012 12:46:19 PM   
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RE: Professors and their politics - 12/7/2012 12:59:52 PM   
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No one has blamed the knowledgeable. 


You have done so repeatedly, through out this thread, and I am not speaking of myself.


Who then have I blamed that is knowlegeable?  Did I blame me?  no, did I blame anyone who is of any walk of life that knew?

Who?

And don't hand me 'Economists'  as a class they are wastrels, and there were no more knowledgeable among them then the general population (which were hordes of us) 

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RE: Professors and their politics - 12/7/2012 1:07:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		No they didn't, they merely brought to attention and pounded into our heads one, or a select few, amongst thousands of other tracts written at that or anytime before or anytime after that suits their current agenda. The politicians' bosses, however, most certainly commission a plethora of obfuscational and self-serving books, magazines, blogs, etc. You can't expect the politician hirelings to come up with such funds on their own.


So, they pick and choose from amongst the whores as you do.   That is the real world, no surprises, like economics, pure selective processing of fact and fiction. 

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RE: Professors and their politics - 12/7/2012 1:52:38 PM   
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Example:  Free Market


That came from the corporate realm, which in effect is to say, from the political realm.

Try again.

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RE: Professors and their politics - 12/7/2012 2:27:57 PM   
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So, you're saying that religious people and right wing people tend to be a bit on the thick side, then, FTP?




Well, not all of them, but statistically, a religious conservative is more likely to also be of lower intelligence. This is what the research says. And I can't say that I dispute the findings of the research. I know this will offend many. But if you read the research carefully, it really does make sense. Each one of these pieces of research posits reasons for why the difference would exist - and it really makes tremendous sense if one looks at the underlying reasons. (This is why in so many of my posts on religion I flat out say we have to accept that some people will always need it. The issue is only how we can co-exist.)

To the OP - the difference with the economists is that people who are Libertarian don't fit the two-sided conservative-liberal spectrum. If you break down academic economists beliefs you will actually find that many are socially liberal. So it really depends on the specific issue that one is discussing. There are also a lot of so-called "conservative" economists in academia that fully support government intervention in a wide range of issues. Again, part of this is how people "self-identify" against a very crude scale of conservative-liberal, that doesn't even begin to capture the detail of how someone might think. Most economists in academia, even the so-called "conservative" ones, are still going to be much more liberal than the average conservative out in mainstream America.


I know too many intelligent right wingers and too many liberals who are dumb as dirt to buy into that bullshit. I also have to wonder where the ones who are on the left but still religous fall into the scale. But if it makes you feel superior to believe it, knock your socks off.


The research that I cite in my first post, that I reference in my second post, says what any research in the social sciences says when it says it "finds something". What this means in statistical terms is that one group has a statistically higher mean than the other group on whatever dimension they are evaluating. In other words, they are comparing means of the two groups. This necessarily means that YES, you will find intelligent right wingers and dumb liberals. WHY exactly did you think that either the research or my post said otherwise. That is not how social science research works. In fact, it is not how scientific research works at all. It is all about means and probabilities. Rarely absolutes. So your comment shows what you understand about science.

So YES, I believe it because these are the findings. And you are disputing the findings because you don't even understand what they mean. Point proven.

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RE: Professors and their politics - 12/7/2012 2:32:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		The identification of the "free market" with "laissez faire" was notably used in the 1962 'Capitalism and Freedom' by economist Milton Friedman, which is credited with popularizing this usage.  (and of course I have read that book.

So, you lose again, take off your pants.  You try again, see if you can get anythiing you are supposedly knowledgeable on right for a change.

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RE: Professors and their politics - 12/7/2012 2:51:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		The Economist was founded by the Scottish businessman and banker James Wilson in 1843, to advance the repeal of the corn laws, a system of import tariffs.[11] A prospectus for the "newspaper," from 5 August 1843 enumerated thirteen areas of coverage that its editors wanted the newspaper to focus on:[12]

Original leading articles, in which free-trade principles will be most rigidly applied to all the important questions of the day.
  • Articles relating to some practical, commercial, agricultural, or foreign topic of passing interest, such as foreign treaties.
    An article on the elementary principles of political economy, applied to practical experience, covering the laws related to prices, wages, rent, exchange, revenue and taxes.
    Parliamentary reports, with particular focus on commerce, agriculture and free trade.
  • Reports and accounts of popular movements advocating free trade.
    General news from the Court of St. James's, the Metropolis, the Provinces, Scotland, and Ireland.
  • Commercial topics such as changes in fiscal regulations, the state and prospects of the markets, imports and exports, foreign news, the state of the manufacturing districts, notices of important new mechanical improvements, shipping news, the money market, and the progress of railways and public companies.
    Agricultural topics, including the application of geology and chemistry; notices of new and improved implements, state of crops, markets, prices, foreign markets and prices converted into English money; from time to time, in some detail, the plans pursued in Belgium, Switzerland, and other well-cultivated countries.
    Colonial and foreign topics, including trade, produce, political and fiscal changes, and other matters, including exposés on the evils of restriction and protection, and the advantages of free intercourse and trade.
  • Law reports, confined chiefly to areas important to commerce, manufacturing, and agriculture.
  • Books, confined chiefly, but not so exclusively, to commerce, manufacturing, and agriculture, and including all treatises on political economy, finance, or taxation.
    A commercial gazette, with prices and statistics of the week.
    Correspondence and inquiries from the newsmagazine's readers.
    Uh, there it is in 1843 long before our corporations and whatnot.

    Carl Menger, economist and professor of economics (and law) used it when describing his heretical theory of autogenesis of money in trade and not by fiat of governments as its origins.  (and a Von Misis influence......like I know the assclown is there, but the Austrian schools don't hold much commerce with me, nor does any one economic school of thought, they are like bad jokes).

    But perhaps you can quit pronouncing these fucked up blatant lies, and show us the corporation that said ---- free market, cuz, lassize faire preceeded corporations or even trusts back in serfdom times, in fact in any trade times.  

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    RE: Professors and their politics - 12/7/2012 2:51:39 PM   
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    The identification of the "free market" with "laissez faire" was notably used in the 1962 'Capitalism and Freedom' by economist Milton Friedman, which is credited with popularizing this usage.  (and of course I have read that book.

    So, you lose again, take off your pants.  You try again, see if you can get anythiing you are supposedly knowledgeable on right for a change.


    Friedman's whole career being commissioned by ...

    You guessed it.

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    I do give to charity sometimes, but just because you can't afford a pair of pants doesn't mean I am going to give you mine. Stand on the next corner, please.







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    RE: Professors and their politics - 12/7/2012 2:52:43 PM   
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    RE: Professors and their politics - 12/7/2012 3:04:07 PM   
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    The identification of the "free market" with "laissez faire" was notably used in the 1962 'Capitalism and Freedom' by economist Milton Friedman, which is credited with popularizing this usage.  (and of course I have read that book.

    So, you lose again, take off your pants.  You try again, see if you can get anythiing you are supposedly knowledgeable on right for a change.


    Friedman's whole career being commissioned by ...

    You guessed it.





    Himself.  His works were published for the general public by himself, while he did do some work in government, his economic crapola was done as a university professor:

    In the early 1960s, Friedman's ideas began to gain adherents beyond the fraternity of academic economists, largely through a series of persuasive books for the general reader, including Capitalism and Freedom (1962), written in collaboration with his wife, Rose D. Friedman. The following year saw the publication of his monumental Monetary History of the United States, written in collaboration with Anna J. Schwartz.
    The success of his works with the general public brought him into a more prominent role in public policy debate. Friedman served as an informal economic adviser to the 1964 presidential campaign of Senator Barry Goldwater. Goldwater was defeated, but Friedman's ideas were reaching a wider audience. From 1966 to 1983, he wrote a regular column for Newsweek magazine.
    Friedman advised the successful presidential campaign of Richard Nixon in 1968. During the Nixon presidency, Friedman served on a committee to study the feasibility of returning to an all-volunteer armed force for the first time since before World War II; the recommendations of this committee led to the abolition of the military draft in 1973. Despite his interest in public policy, Friedman consistently refused appointments to full-time government positions, preferring to concentrate on his scientific work and to promote his public policy beliefs outside of government.


    And by the way, he was a fish swimming upstream from the university teachings he got his degree with.  A Neo-classical economist in the vast water of Kenyesians.

    So, you lose again, take off your underpants now.

    Got anything else that is untutored notions that should leave your system now,  so you only have this one cretinous thread to live down regarding your lack of economics knowledge? 

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    RE: Professors and their politics - 12/7/2012 3:04:40 PM   
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    Status: offline     		Just as you inveighed against selectivity a couple threads ago, you have now become entirely one-note, as if to demonstrate what you tell others not to do.

    If I don't act surprised, it's probably because I'm not surprised.


    PS

    So now you've lost your skivvies, too?

    I think you need to go play somewhere else.

    Seriously.




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    RE: Professors and their politics - 12/7/2012 3:10:32 PM   
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    Status: offline     		You need to hush while adults talk, maybe you could read up on economics and join us in 5 or 10 years, being slow on the uptake it seems.

    How foolish, you were demonstrating that Unis were not political.

    They very much are.  And the politicians pick and choose from the economists at uni or at think tanks that pick and choose, and they are all full of shit and very unknowledgeable on the subject of real economics.



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    RE: Professors and their politics - 12/7/2012 3:55:59 PM   
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    kabooble


    Caboodle.


    Ah, the spelling police


    Spelling Gestapo, when it comes to totally crucial words like that.

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