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DarkSteven -> Orca as a case study. (12/8/2012 11:59:40 AM)
This is what bothered me so much about the Romney campaign and the GOP. And, for that matter, about a LOT of business ventures. 1. Lots of bragging and trash talking the opposition. 2. Complete incompetence. No proper testing. Poor documentation. No contingencies for failure recovery. 3. Afterward, cover-ups and denial of responsibility. Here's what they said prior to the election. The amazing thing to me is not that it failed, but that it failed on so many different levels. The documentation was misleading and poorly done. The imposition of expecting workers to print out sixty pages of documentation. The lack of formal training, aside from documentation. The insufficient testing, and lack of recovery/contingency planning. They even handed out nonworking PINs and passwords! Basically, it looks like the Romney campaign entrusted the entire operation to people who did not know how to run a software project. Here's another description of the mess. Nate Silver has a thought that the GOP doesn't appeal to techies. I disagree. The country is split about 50-50, and surely there are some techies the GOP could find, or at least pay to work for them. IMO, the thing is that Romney himself wasn't that competent. He had all the money in the world, but surrounded himself with second-rate people, and in the case of Orca, he got people who overpromised, underdelivered, and then tried to shift blame. A competent executive would not put up with that. I've often found it ironic that the GOP derided Obama as being a community organizer, and doesn't seem to make the connection between that and his campaign organizational abilities.

tj444 -> RE: Orca as a case study. (12/8/2012 12:25:09 PM)
voter monitoring & tracking??? omg, that is taking Big Brother to a whole new level.. so someone that shops at Walmart is likely an Obama supporter, huh? someone that drinks Heineken must be an elitist R? I am quickly coming to the conclusion that America is nutz.. that the sheeple even allow themselves to be tracked this way amazes me..

farglebargle -> RE: Orca as a case study. (12/8/2012 12:56:09 PM)
It's a lot more than that. It's really a set of tools to mobilize LOCAL workers and make sure that everyone who can get to the polls, actually gets to the polls. Watch out for what happens in Texas in 2014. If the smart money is right, than the latino vote is going to turn out as never before, and if texas goes Democrat, there's no way that the GOP can ever get 270 electoral votes. They're as impotent as the Green Party.

DarkSteven -> RE: Orca as a case study. (12/9/2012 7:03:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 voter monitoring & tracking??? omg, that is taking Big Brother to a whole new level.. so someone that shops at Walmart is likely an Obama supporter, huh? someone that drinks Heineken must be an elitist R? I am quickly coming to the conclusion that America is nutz.. that the sheeple even allow themselves to be tracked this way amazes me.. Get used to this brave new world. It's been done for years by the private sector. To give one example, supermarkets track your purchase patterns so they can sell pinpoint-targeted advertising to advertisers. While the Republicans were trying (and failing) to use databases for a GOTV effort, the Obama campaign was way ahead of them, and was working with such things as 1. What celebrity would certain demographics admire most, and raffling off a chance to meet that celebrity as a fundraiser, and 2. identifying undecideds that could be persuaded and what was the best approach to convince them to go for Obama. (This explains something I had been scratching my head over - over the last few weeks of the campaign, the undecideds were breaking very strongly for Obama, not in the 50-50 break I had expected.)

erieangel -> RE: Orca as a case study. (12/9/2012 11:26:09 AM)
Its also the same thing companies do when they launch a new product. My city tends to be a "test" city. If something doesn't sell here, it usually doesn't go on the market nation-wide. I dislike going to the mall mainly because whenever I do, I tend to get waylaid by somebody from the marketing firm. I have tested new peanut butters, a Swiffer sweeper, cereal bars (remember when those were first coming out?). When Burger King changed their french fry recipe in the 1990s, there was a huge "free fry" day to celebrate the roll out. We'd been eating the "new fries" for nearly 2 years.

Kana -> RE: Orca as a case study. (12/9/2012 11:43:38 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DarkSteven This is what bothered me so much about the Romney campaign and the GOP. And, for that matter, about a LOT of business ventures. 1. Lots of bragging and trash talking the opposition. 2. Complete incompetence. No proper testing. Poor documentation. No contingencies for failure recovery. 3. Afterward, cover-ups and denial of responsibility. Here's what they said prior to the election. The amazing thing to me is not that it failed, but that it failed on so many different levels. The documentation was misleading and poorly done. The imposition of expecting workers to print out sixty pages of documentation. The lack of formal training, aside from documentation. The insufficient testing, and lack of recovery/contingency planning. They even handed out nonworking PINs and passwords! Basically, it looks like the Romney campaign entrusted the entire operation to people who did not know how to run a software project. Here's another description of the mess. Nate Silver has a thought that the GOP doesn't appeal to techies. I disagree. The country is split about 50-50, and surely there are some techies the GOP could find, or at least pay to work for them. IMO, the thing is that Romney himself wasn't that competent. He had all the money in the world, but surrounded himself with second-rate people, and in the case of Orca, he got people who overpromised, underdelivered, and then tried to shift blame. A competent executive would not put up with that. I've often found it ironic that the GOP derided Obama as being a community organizer, and doesn't seem to make the connection between that and his campaign organizational abilities. Nah-it failed because Anonymous took it over [:D]

Moonhead -> RE: Orca as a case study. (12/9/2012 12:44:14 PM)
If Anonymous are on the level with that, it's very strange that there hasn't been more in the media about this.

tazzygirl -> RE: Orca as a case study. (12/9/2012 1:21:17 PM)
They posted something about it at the end of October. Of course no one in the media wanted that seen.

Moonhead -> RE: Orca as a case study. (12/9/2012 1:24:47 PM)
Ah, the Man is keeping that one quiet...

tj444 -> RE: Orca as a case study. (12/9/2012 1:55:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DarkSteven (This explains something I had been scratching my head over - over the last few weeks of the campaign, the undecideds were breaking very strongly for Obama, not in the 50-50 break I had expected.) hmmm.. you dont think that the whole Romney-is-Pure-Evil thing and fear of that was the reason? I knew Romney would not win, I knew the undecideds would, when faced with the ballot in front of them on election day, choose the Devil-they-Knew Obama.. Romney was simply feared too much & he had too many negatives, people simply didnt want to take the chance...

Moonhead -> RE: Orca as a case study. (12/10/2012 4:44:02 AM)
Definitely a factor, but one that it might be hard for the Republicans to credit after a few of the pure evil candidates they've had win over the years?

DarkSteven -> RE: Orca as a case study. (12/10/2012 6:34:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tj444 quote: ORIGINAL: DarkSteven (This explains something I had been scratching my head over - over the last few weeks of the campaign, the undecideds were breaking very strongly for Obama, not in the 50-50 break I had expected.) hmmm.. you dont think that the whole Romney-is-Pure-Evil thing and fear of that was the reason? I knew Romney would not win, I knew the undecideds would, when faced with the ballot in front of them on election day, choose the Devil-they-Knew Obama.. Romney was simply feared too much & he had too many negatives, people simply didnt want to take the chance... I don't see that as a factor. They were undecideds until the last minute - if they were put off by Romney, they would not have waited that long to decide.

Owner59 -> RE: Orca as a case study. (12/10/2012 6:58:26 AM)
If the basic premise was that "ORCA" was going to allow the campaign to receive instant/real-time accurate data about the different state`s needs,in order to allocate resources more affectively and on time......then the whole thing was a failure before it started. By the time the ORCA thing was up and running and before it crashed or jammed up(causing campaigns to stop using it)....folks were already decided. Even if it worked....and the campaign was able to respond.....you still can`t make a pig`s ear into a silk purse....

Moonhead -> RE: Orca as a case study. (12/10/2012 7:49:11 AM)
Would it have been able to compensate for people not being arsed to vote Magicpants to that extent even if it had worked?

tj444 -> RE: Orca as a case study. (12/10/2012 9:04:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DarkSteven I don't see that as a factor. They were undecideds until the last minute - if they were put off by Romney, they would not have waited that long to decide. only if they thought Obama was that much better.. I dont think either of them know what the shite they are doing.. and while the 99% are left to fend for themselves, both parties have saved their own kind, the 1%.. The only thing that got Obama elected 4 years ago was his promise for universal health care.. unfortunately, he didnt get rid of the greedy insurance corps and the law has the 30 hour loophole that encourages businesses to switch from full-time employees to part-timers.. basically, its a fiasco

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