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Jonc101 -> It's not just the Islamics....... (12/8/2012 4:59:13 PM)
It's the homegrown nutters too who pose risks to everyone. There have been quite a few now, from both sides of the Atlantic. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/dec/08/jihad-jane-journey-victim-radical FJ

dcnovice -> RE: It's not just the Islamics....... (12/8/2012 5:31:06 PM)
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slvemike4u -> RE: It's not just the Islamics....... (12/8/2012 5:50:42 PM)
Seriously dude,do you think we haven't seen this act before ? You have,rightly so,been quickly labeled an Islamaphobe,so in some weak assed attempt at deflection you start a "It's not just them" thread ? You do understand that the denizens of the basement are,for the most part,more politically astute than most others? We are all political junkies ,we devour information in an attempt to get a leg up around here,you aren't going to come along and dazzle us with such lightweight bullshit. This is almost as bad as your offering up of "another" Islam inspired child killing....face it,you've been pegged. No such thing as an "un-pegging" lol.

jlf1961 -> RE: It's not just the Islamics....... (12/8/2012 6:12:08 PM)
Seriously dude, what part of that story does not involve, refer to or concerns someone NOT of the Muslim faith? I have a solution to this problem, and though it may punish the innocent as well as the guilty (unless this individual has a LOT more nicks and is on all the political boards I belong to) the world limits the internet access of Australia to Disney and children's web sites.

Jonc101 -> RE: It's not just the Islamics....... (12/8/2012 6:27:10 PM)
No skin off my arse what you choose to believe.... or not to believe. But, you can't stop other people expressing their thoughts. I've met your type of revisionist before, you're probably one of them in fact under a new nick. Misguided notions of 'egalitarianism' will bring down your great nation, just like happened on 9/11. Clearly you'd rather a forum board where we just all sat around sniffing each other's fingers, talking about imaginary sex lives. It is called 'politics and religion' after all. Maybe you should go and look for a forum, or start a forum, catering to your own peccadiloes. Gotta larf. FJ

tazzygirl -> RE: It's not just the Islamics....... (12/8/2012 6:28:47 PM)
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jlf1961 -> RE: It's not just the Islamics....... (12/8/2012 6:33:57 PM)
Jonc, you titled this topic, "It's not just the Islamics" and posted an article that clearly deals with someone of the Muslim faith. Something you could not fail to see. You are once more demonstrating you Islamaphobia and your irrational rush to judge an entire group of people harshly. Thus proving you have a closed mind on the subject which makes intelligent discourse with you impossible. You are comparable to the right wing extremists in the US that fear African Americans, Jews, Muslims, the NWO and the Illuminati. And to be honest, I am more afraid of those nut cases than I am of the Muslims. Admittedly I am a little leery of southern baptists.

Jonc101 -> RE: It's not just the Islamics....... (12/8/2012 6:38:48 PM)
The woman referred to is NOT a real Moslem, she's a convert! You know what they say about converts, the worst kind of dedicated follower. You've already experienced several in the US, the shoe bombers, the US Army sergeant, and a few others living amongst you. This woman clearly is a mental case of that ilk. I don't know how you could stick up for her.

jlf1961 -> RE: It's not just the Islamics....... (12/8/2012 6:44:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Jonc101 The woman referred to is NOT a real Moslem, she's a convert! You know what they say about converts, the worst kind of dedicated follower. You've already experienced several in the US, the shoe bombers, the US Army sergeant, and a few others living amongst you. This woman clearly is a mental case of that ilk. I don't know how you could stick up for her. By that logic, a person that joins the Catholic church as an adult is not a real Catholic. So, in order to be a real Muslim, (or Baptist, Jewish, Methodist, Catholic, Buddhist, etc) you have to be born into that faith? You are confusing race with religion.

Jonc101 -> RE: It's not just the Islamics....... (12/8/2012 6:46:29 PM)
Wrong. It's your type who choose to 'confuse' race with religion. It's a virus in the US, calling people 'racist' without evidence. You demean the English language by misusing terms like that.

jlf1961 -> RE: It's not just the Islamics....... (12/8/2012 6:54:02 PM)
Then explain the difference between a "real" muslim, or member of any religion for that matter from a convert. Almost all the religions on the planet grow by converts, they are just as real as one born into the religion. And for the record, IF you cared to study the facts, the Muslim religion has grown as much as it has by converts, from the Middle East to India and Pakastan, to Indonesia and the Philippines, to every other country with a heavy Muslim population. Are you trying to say that those descended from converts to the Muslim faith are not true Muslims. The bullshit you are shoveling defies description, and the logic of your arguments is flawed to say the least, downright wrong would be more accurate.

Jonc101 -> RE: It's not just the Islamics....... (12/8/2012 6:59:16 PM)
It's a well-recognised phenomen that converts to any religion are often more militant than those born into it. This is especially so in the militant form of Islam we're facing today. It's a religion that always ruled by the sword, when persuasion has failed. It's well known for its advocacy of death for those who leave Islam. Just look at the flag of Wahabi Saudi Arabia, underscored with a huge scimitar! If that doesn't send shivers up your spine then you're brain dead. FJ

jlf1961 -> RE: It's not just the Islamics....... (12/8/2012 7:08:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Jonc101 It's a well-recognised phenomen that converts to any religion are often more militant than those born into it. This is especially so in the militant form of Islam we're facing today. It's a religion that always ruled by the sword, when persuasion has failed. It's well known for its advocacy of death for those who leave Islam. Just look at the flag of Wahabi Saudi Arabia, underscored with a huge scimitar! If that doesn't send shivers up your spine then you're brain dead. FJ Do I have news for you, the converts you claim are the most fanatical make up less than 1% of the Muslim Extremists that have formed these terrorist groups. Do some research on the subject, you will find that you are wrong. The vast majority of converts to any faith are no more militant or moderate than anyone else. I had the opportunity when I was in the army to work with and instruct Muslims that you would call fanatics. They were being taught how to fight the Soviets in Afghanistan. None of them were converts, but they were fiercely dedicated to getting the Soviets out of their country. The Palestinians who are fighting against Israel control of that entire region are not converts, they were born into the faith and they are fighting for a homeland of their own. I cannot condone their tactics, terrorism is not a legitimate way to fight a war, but I can understand their dedication. However, history has shown that the military has targeted civilians through out time. The US and Great Britain fire bombed Dresden KNOWING that the majority of casualties would be civilians. The same is true for the American firebombing of Japan.

Jonc101 -> RE: It's not just the Islamics....... (12/8/2012 7:14:27 PM)
I happen to agree about Palestinians. But they're fighting for a local issue, not to convert the world to Islam by bombings and killings. There's the difference. You're fighting a losing war in the 'stans, as renegade soldiers turn on your own. I can't understand why you'd be so complacent. FJ

jlf1961 -> RE: It's not just the Islamics....... (12/8/2012 7:15:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Jonc101 I happen to agree about Palestinians. But they're fighting for a local issue, not to convert the world to Islam by bombings and killings. There's the difference. You're fighting a losing war in the 'stans, as renegade soldiers turn on your own. I can't understand why you'd be so complacent. FJ Is it your position that the entire world population is trying to convert the non Muslim population of the planet to Islam by terrorist acts? And I readily admit that SOME of those Afghans that I helped train did turn around and use that training against us. I know for a fact that some of those that I helped train left Afghanistan after the Taliban took over, a few even came to the states, and I am in touch with them regularly. And then there are those that I helped train that stayed in Afghanistan and had been fighting the Taliban.

Jonc101 -> RE: It's not just the Islamics....... (12/8/2012 7:17:58 PM)
It's certainly the manner in which they stop their own flock from straying. Any Moslem in Nigeria, Maghreb, teh 'stans etc who steps out of line gets the chop. It's an intimidatory religion. Just look at how they control their women!

VideoAdminTheta -> RE: It's not just the Islamics....... (12/8/2012 7:42:35 PM)
After pulling one thread and locking another, I think this one needs to be locked at least for a time, to help those of you that cannot refrain from breaking guidelines or continuing the same topic and type of argument that is no longer a debate, from hurting yourselves. To be continued...

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