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Greta75 -> RE: Forced intoxication (12/10/2012 8:55:41 AM)

I may be playing with someone who is suggesting forced intoxication.
But ours was meant to be a realistic rape scene, so the force intoxication while we meet at a pub, would add realism to it. So for me, I guess it's to have the feelings of genuine helplessness if I was drunk.
Not sure if it's humiliation or dominance, I guess it's control.




Aswad -> RE: Forced intoxication (12/10/2012 9:07:29 AM)

For a realistic rape scene, alcohol isn't the best choice, IMO. YMMV.

Besides, what's wrong with tazing him/her instead? [:D]

IWYW,
— Aswad.




MariaB -> RE: Forced intoxication (12/10/2012 9:13:58 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Aswad

For a realistic rape scene, alcohol isn't the best choice, IMO. YMMV.

Besides, what's wrong with tazing him/her instead? [:D]

IWYW,
— Aswad.

You are pure evil. I guess thats why I like you [;)]




NuevaVida -> RE: Forced intoxication (12/10/2012 9:16:29 AM)

I wouldn't think of it as "forced intoxication" but....

We do enjoy our wine and martinis over here. And when I've had a bit "too much", the things that come out of my mouth to him are hilarious (or so he thinks). So every once in awhile he'll pour me a couple of shots and say "drink up" - this, of course, is within the confines of our own home, with no intention of going anywhere and with no expected visitors.

I've told him, "If I drink this, I can not be held responsible for anything I say or do from this point on". It's never *drunk* to the point of stumbling or getting sick, just happily inebriated, with him controlling the starting point and the stopping point.

As for the why? His own entertainment, I suppose. Doesn't happen that often and we have a lot of fun when it does.

I don't consider it "forced" in the sense I'm not physically forced into drinking. It's poured, I'm told to drink, and I do. When he determines when the stopping point is, he doesn't pour anymore.

Since we both have families with histories of alcoholism, it's a carefully enjoyed event.




Aswad -> RE: Forced intoxication (12/10/2012 9:34:35 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MariaB

You are pure evil. I guess thats why I like you [;)]


Aww, now I'm blushing. [:D]

IWYW,
— Aswad.




coldslayer -> RE: Forced intoxication (12/10/2012 9:44:34 AM)

it allegedly can be convenient to take advantage of them in many ways... emotionally, sexually, *cough* financially

it seem boring to me though. like you got to play the waiting game




TieMeInKnottss -> RE: Forced intoxication (12/10/2012 10:22:37 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

Roch, the only experience I have in it is about 30 years ago, I gave a wine enema to a sub. The only excuse either of us had was we were young, stupid and knew just enough physiology/biology to ask "I wonder what would happen if...............?"
She got blitzed.


OMG!!! You are kidding! She could have passed a Breathalizer!!! No one has thought of this before?




absolutchocolat -> RE: Forced intoxication (12/10/2012 10:23:28 AM)

i prefer mary jane for weakening the defenses. much safer and much less likely to harm the partner's liver function.




Hillwilliam -> RE: Forced intoxication (12/10/2012 10:38:33 AM)


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ORIGINAL: TieMeInKnottss


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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

Roch, the only experience I have in it is about 30 years ago, I gave a wine enema to a sub. The only excuse either of us had was we were young, stupid and knew just enough physiology/biology to ask "I wonder what would happen if...............?"
She got blitzed.


OMG!!! You are kidding! She could have passed a Breathalizer!!! No one has thought of this before?

Actually, they wouldn't. Ethanol will still diffuse from the blood stream back across the mucosa of the respiratory system and show up on a breathalyzer.




TwoHeartsBeatOne -> RE: Forced intoxication (12/10/2012 11:03:48 AM)

Hi Roch,

I was in San Francisco in 1979, when the gay community was just beginning to raise their voices about this strange new illness that was killing so many. People were having a lot of conversations about sex and safety.

I was there with a touring stage show and many of the actors were gay. It was from them, that I first heard of "red wine enemas." It was a common practice.

One gay friend explained that it worked very quickly and took very little wine. He covered the danger of using too much and of using anything other than red wine. There's something about red wine, specifically, that doesn't mess with intestinal flora balance, he said.

Another benefit is that red wine has a relatively low alcohol content, and when introduced through the bowels, it is intensified. Very little (1/4 of a wine glass is good for the first time - fill the rest of the enema bag with room temperature distilled water - or boil it first and let it cool down completely).

My gay friend made a point of emphasizing the need to ALWAYS begin with no more than 1/4 a glass of red wine for the first time. He said there is no way for the "giver" or "receiver" to know ahead of time what the effect will be on that individual. Also, it is imperative that the "receiver" be honest about any drugs that are already in their system and about allergies.

He also warned that many people really love it and it can become a problem, physically, if done more than twice per month. Long-time participants NEVER use more than a full glass of red wine diluted by water.

He wasn't a doctor: nor am I. This post is anecdotal only and is not meant to be anything other than me passing on a bit of what I've been told.

The psychology is very much about power exchange. As others here have said, this kink is about control. It's a high risk one, in terms of what can happen along the learning curve (how much to use, how often...).

Also, it's about lowering the ability to make a choice. Even if both parties agree to activities beforehand, it can't be denied that the "receiver" enters a state of "iffy" competence, so the ability to change their mind (use a safe word) is compromised. That means there's a potential for criminal charges against the "giver."

IMO, "the high risk, low return," nature of this particular kink, makes it an unpopular activity. Of course, that's easy for me to say - it's not my kink.




MissImmortalPain -> RE: Forced intoxication (12/10/2012 11:08:27 AM)

It does the same thing for both "doms" and "subs" gives them an excuse for what they are about to do.No different (IMHO) than people that encourage the use of drugs while taking part in BDSM. The dom/me in question gets to believe that a drunk person will be easier to handle. (which leads me to believe that those people have never argued with a drunk) And it lets the sub wake up the next morning being able to say "None of that was my fault, after all I was drunk"

At best this would be a form of edge play and we all know that there is no real way to make edge play safe.

Personal responablity is fading quickly.




TwoHeartsBeatOne -> RE: Forced intoxication (12/10/2012 11:25:51 AM)

Hi TieMeInKnottss,

I used a red wine enema kink in an erotic short story called, "Alchemy of Two."

The effect is the same as if you drank the wine - the blood alcohol level rises, the feelings of intoxication begin and physical coordination/reflexes diminish. In other words, even if the breath test can be fooled (and I'm not sure about that), "walking the line" successfully is doubtful. Without alcohol breath, the lack of balance is going to be assumed to be drug related.

LOL, Can you imagine the signs? "Don't red wine enema and drive!"




Hillwilliam -> RE: Forced intoxication (12/10/2012 11:28:17 AM)

Actually twohearts, you might want to look at post #29. It will still show up on a breathalyzer because of diffusion of ethanol across the mucosa of the respiratory system.




mnottertail -> RE: Forced intoxication (12/10/2012 11:29:15 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MissImmortalPain

It does the same thing for both "doms" and "subs" gives them an excuse for what they are about to do.No different (IMHO) than people that encourage the use of drugs while taking part in BDSM. The dom/me in question gets to believe that a drunk person will be easier to handle. (which leads me to believe that those people have never argued with a drunk) And it lets the sub wake up the next morning being able to say "None of that was my fault, after all I was drunk"

At best this would be a form of edge play and we all know that there is no real way to make edge play safe.

Personal responablity is fading quickly.


But yanno, I ain't had a hankerin to hug a toilet and do a technicolor yawn thruout the night since a long time ago.......so call me an edge player.




QueenRah -> RE: Forced intoxication (12/10/2012 11:31:16 AM)

Roch,

I don't really have any input to present on the subject, as I am neither into doing something that crosses the line of SSC (already mentioned by another respondent) and other folks have covered the ground of other responses I may have given.

I just wanted to say, you ask some interesting questions. The conversations you start and responses you give to others' topics are always of interest to me.

So, thanks for gettin' all thinky.

QR




CharmingKitty -> RE: Forced intoxication (12/10/2012 11:43:34 AM)

It's the sexiest justification for rampant alcoholism.




Rochsub2009 -> RE: Forced intoxication (12/10/2012 12:09:07 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tj444

I have not heard of this as being a kink.. I have heard of it being a form of murder tho..



Well that's definitely a strong argument for avoiding this kink. [;)]




Rochsub2009 -> RE: Forced intoxication (12/10/2012 12:14:38 PM)

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ORIGINAL: RedMagic1

All my information is second-hand. Because of your question, though, I just ran a search on "forced intox" on the other side, limited to the United States. 3/4 of the profiles on page 1 were dominant females, and the rest were sub males. The oldest female was 36, the average age was much lower, and all the women did cam sessions and/or identified as findommes.

No sub women, no dom men.

That supports the intuition I had developed from reading profiles, which is: the women who state they are into this are trying to sell something.


That's an interesting theory. Thanks for doing the research to support it. Like I said, I've only seen this kink listed on profiles on-line. I hadn't made the connection that most of the profiles that included it were financial Domme profiles. But if it's a tool of finDommes, then it makes complete sense. Of course a "mark" would be much easier to wallet rape if he's drunk.

Hmmmm, I think I'm starting to understand what someone would get out of this "kink". [:D]




Rochsub2009 -> RE: Forced intoxication (12/10/2012 12:18:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Aswad

I think the only thing worth wrapping one's head around here, is that an alcohol enema isn't a good idea.



Actually, when I asked the question, I assumed that forced intoxication was done orally. I hadn't even thought of an alcohol enema. I think Hillwilliam introduced that idea into the discussion.




Rochsub2009 -> RE: Forced intoxication (12/10/2012 12:20:51 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Greta75

I may be playing with someone who is suggesting forced intoxication.
But ours was meant to be a realistic rape scene, so the force intoxication while we meet at a pub, would add realism to it. So for me, I guess it's to have the feelings of genuine helplessness if I was drunk.

Not sure if it's humiliation or dominance, I guess it's control.


I'm not sure if it's humiliation or dominance either. Sounds like he's just trying to make sure that his "rape" goes smoothly. [;)]





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