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DevotionalSex -> RE: Devotional Sex (12/14/2012 8:39:12 PM)

I must admit that I'm surprised by the negativity in this thread.



theRose4U -> RE: Devotional Sex (12/14/2012 9:15:44 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DevotionalSex


My personal view is that the risk is small compared to many other health risks I face (drinking a bit too much, needing to loose some weight, etc) and as I find Devotional Sex so rewarding the risk is worth it. Each man must make up their own mind on this.

TwoHeartsBeatOne - As I've not written a book yet there are no links to a book. Everything I've written on Devotional Sex over the last 5 years if available for free on the internet. And readers do not see advertising for other websites or products.

Devotional Sex is the name I've given to a sexual technique and lifestyle. Of course the word 'devotional' has many meanings, and the sexual technique doesn't apply to every meaning. Devotional Sex has a significant tantric component, and an important part of tantra is connection. Also with Devotional Sex not only is the Knight devoted to his Princess, but she is devoted to him. So I'm happy with the name I've chosen even though (like any name) it will sometimes be misunderstood.

Devotional Sex is NOT just male fantasy. Last night a female friend wrote "Devotional Sex provides a safe yet revolutionary space for female desire and sexual agency to reveal itself in ways that complement and affirm male sexuality."


Devotional Sex is my fantasy. I tell dates and friends that this is what I do - "I don't ejaculate often and I'll obey your sensual and sexual wishes".

Devotional Sex is my reality because I've found many vanilla women who have enjoyed this new dynamic with me.

Of course Devotional Sex is not for everyone. But those who do like the idea can get rather enthusiastic about it.


Not negativity just cutting through the crap. You push your kink on women FORCING them to receive "your devotion your way"...I call that humping my leg & trying to convince me I ebjoy it. This has NOTHING to do with my desire, it has to do with how you want to be serviced to the point you push this "revolutionary dogma" on unsuspecting nillas. If this was actually working you would be in a stable long term marriage not trolling bars & the net for women you can convince to service you all while claiming they are in charge.
What is so difficult to process about devotion being daily actions not an HOV lane to getting laid?



DevotionalSex -> RE: Devotional Sex (12/14/2012 9:35:30 PM)

You know nothing about my relationship history yet you jump to unfounded conclusions. I'll not present my history, but just say that my practice of Devotional Sex has nothing to do with my being single at the moment.

You also jump to the conclusion that I force my kink on women. The quotes I provided earlier prove that some women like the technique.

There are 767 members of my Devotional Sex group on FetLife - 38% of these members are female.

You don't have to like the idea of Devotional Sex or like me. But I find your hostility to me and the technique rather strange.



BitaTruble -> RE: Devotional Sex (12/14/2012 9:58:50 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DevotionalSex

BitaTruble - You are correct that there may be some health risks from not ejaculating often.



You didn't answer my question.. so let me ask it another way.

I just wanted to know why you recommended 5 - 8 times a month. Did you do a study? Did you recommend that time frame because that's what works for you personally? Do you have anecdotal evidence that would support the time frame suggested as being optimal for the sort of lifestyle you envision? Is there some other source of information? Some other reason?

I'm just looking at the phisiology behind the choice of numbers. Why every four to six days as opposed to .. I don't know, six to eight days.

What is going on in the male brain and body that supports that time interval to the point where you recommend it?

I'm a science girl.. it's okay to geek out on me. [:D]







DevotionalSex -> RE: Devotional Sex (12/14/2012 10:20:48 PM)

One of the input techniques in creating Devotional Sex is the Taoist multi-orgasmic man technique - where the man does not ejaculate often but learns to orgasm without ejaculation. With the Tao they recommend that a 40 year old man ejaculate every 10 days.

Because Devotional Sex has the male deliberately not perfect the Taoist technique and be a bit hornier, I've taken 10 days as my recommended maximum for when a couple really want a challenge. I've taken the average recommendation at about half the Tao - hence 4 to 6 days.

For other ages see this page of my website.

This page makes clear that a couple need to find what works for them, so some will not go for as long and some will go for longer.

My recommendations also fit in with my personal experience.

Science on sex is extremely poor (apart from disease and pregnancy). For example, try and find some science that talks about the multi-orgasmic man technique.

If there were lots of research done then the figures I presented may change up or down a bit. But as individual difference is so large people will always have to find what works best for them, so a scientifically accurate average will not be more useful than my figures which I'm confident are about right.

I hope this summary is helpful.



theRose4U -> RE: Devotional Sex (12/15/2012 4:13:33 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DevotionalSex
There are 767 members of my Devotional Sex group on FetLife - 38% of these members are female.

You don't have to like the idea of Devotional Sex or like me. But I find your hostility to me and the technique rather strange.

Funny thing about crap, it doesn't matter how many people on the internet believe its chocolate & can't get enough. Not hostility just calling crap, crap...but its really great the 50 shades girls have someone "not in charge" to follow...I'm still going to call that topping from the bottom & forcing kink on nillas. But hey glad it works for ya!



OsideGirl -> RE: Devotional Sex (12/15/2012 9:54:13 AM)

I just don't get the appeal. I've had guys that have humped my leg, my entire life. I have no desire to be in a relationship with someone that bases our relationship on what he thinks his dick can do for me.

Sex is fantastic with a caring partner who gets you. But, sex is just sex. It does not equal love. It does not equal intimacy. It's the things outside of the bedroom that give me those things.




theRose4U -> RE: Devotional Sex (12/15/2012 10:25:01 AM)


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ORIGINAL: OsideGirl

I just don't get the appeal. I've had guys that have humped my leg, my entire life. I have no desire to be in a relationship with someone that bases our relationship on what he thinks his dick can do for me.


Think you put this better than I did...its magical miracle penis in a new wrapper. The new twist is marketing it to nillas that think its revolutionary & the way kink actually occurs...because dommes need men to tell us how to be kinky[:'(]



Lockit -> RE: Devotional Sex (12/15/2012 11:44:56 AM)

What I find interesting is that men seem to be trying to capitalize on the fact that women have a hard time finding an attentive lover and they are actually finding silly women that have been denied that actually fall for the attention and call it good. So if they package it up in all these pretty words and that... if you want her to have sex with you, tell her you love her... and think that it is so rare and special that women will cater to their fantasy or fallacy and think it is about her. Foolish, silly and needy wenches. Here's how you get them.

Besides all this sexual devotion, what is there? Maybe a woman that hasn't had many nice men or lovers in her life, might fall for that type of devotion and call it empowering... but I don't.

Where do they talk about what goes on within the relationship besides in the sexual areas? I guess they are still thinking that what inspires a woman is being a princess... ukk... and is motivated by pretty words and actions between her legs, that really bring a charge to his ever needy denied or satisfied cock. Where is the emotional intimacy of another kind?



PeonForHer -> RE: Devotional Sex (12/15/2012 12:41:11 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Lockit

What I find interesting is that men seem to be trying to capitalize on the fact that women have a hard time finding an attentive lover and they are actually finding silly women that have been denied that actually fall for the attention and call it good.


It *is* good, isn't it, if a woman who's not had an attentive lover before finally finds one?



Baroana -> RE: Devotional Sex (12/15/2012 12:42:58 PM)


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer


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ORIGINAL: Lockit

What I find interesting is that men seem to be trying to capitalize on the fact that women have a hard time finding an attentive lover and they are actually finding silly women that have been denied that actually fall for the attention and call it good.


It *is* good, isn't it, if a woman who's not had an attentive lover before finally finds one?



Yes, when it's not a scam.



PeonForHer -> RE: Devotional Sex (12/15/2012 12:50:20 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Baroana
Yes, when it's not a scam.


Well, it certainly looks a little mystical-magical for my tastes, but it hasn't struck me as a scam so far.

Mind you, I'd have trouble keeping to the limited-orgasm regime. I enjoy cracking off those tadpole fountains far too much.



Baroana -> RE: Devotional Sex (12/15/2012 1:26:14 PM)


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer


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ORIGINAL: Baroana
Yes, when it's not a scam.


Well, it certainly looks a little mystical-magical for my tastes, but it hasn't struck me as a scam so far.

Mind you, I'd have trouble keeping to the limited-orgasm regime. I enjoy cracking off those tadpole fountains far too much.



Ah, then it's the perfect thing to take away from you when you step out of line.



theRose4U -> RE: Devotional Sex (12/15/2012 1:31:24 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Lockit
Where is the emotional intimacy of another kind?

Lacking? This was the main reason the the "negativity" whine. Apparently my weel twue domme card needs to be revoked...I know that service gets me much hotter & satisfied than some guy kneeling between my legs & trying to call it devotion.

Guess I'm wrong to believe the dictionary:
DEVOTION: ardent, often selfless adoration or devotion to a person or principle.

Oh well so much for understanding the definition wrong[:D]

[sm=rofl.gif] tadpole fountain [sm=rofl.gif]



OsideGirl -> RE: Devotional Sex (12/15/2012 1:38:18 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Lockit


Besides all this sexual devotion, what is there?


That was my thought. The website is "Devotional Sex", not "A devoted life". The title says what the men behind it think is important.

Relationships based on sex will fade sooner or later.

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer


It *is* good, isn't it, if a woman who's not had an attentive lover before finally finds one?


Absolutely, but a healthy relationship is not based purely on sex. Sex is sex. It is not love or intimacy. But, the idea of Devotional Sex, is put forth with sex as primary purpose.



DevotionalSex -> RE: Devotional Sex (12/15/2012 3:04:22 PM)

This is certainly a very strange place.

Of course a book about a sexual technique is about the sexual technique. This does not mean that the technique is the primary purpose or replaced relationship.

Every book on sex - be it Tantra or BDSM talks about the technique. Using that technique is a part of your relationship with your partner, and that relationship depends on whether they are your spouse, you are dating, or they are a friend.

'Complete Idiots Guide to Tantric Sex', 'BDSM 101', 'Urban tantra', 'She Comes First', 'The Joy of Sex', 'The Multi-Orgasmic Man' - all talk about sex and the relationship is assumed, just like in my book.

Calling my work "crap" and "a scam" is insulting. Why not just say that it isn't for you and move on?



OsideGirl -> RE: Devotional Sex (12/15/2012 3:31:15 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DevotionalSex

Every book on sex - be it Tantra or BDSM

'Complete Idiots Guide to Tantric Sex', 'BDSM 101',


1) BDSM isn't sex, it's kink. It's bondage/discipline/Sado-Masochism. Many people engage in BDSM without engaging in sex.

2) BDSM does not equal D/s or M/s. You can practice D/s or M/s and never engage in kink. You can engage in BDSM and never engage in D/s or M/s.

3) The OP in this thread wants to use Devotional Sex as a form of D/s. A bunch of Dominant women (his target audience) said that sex is not what powers their D/s relationship or makes them feel like their submissive is devoted to them. It's more about the submissives dick than actually submitting to the desires of his partner. Submission is easy when it's doing the things you like. Where the rubber meets the road is when you submit to doing what you don't like or don't want to do.

4) In any transaction the opinion that matters the least is that of the seller. It really doesn't matter if you think you have the most amazing car in the world. If the purchasers do not agree, the car remains unsold. In this case, the Dominant women here have told him that they're not interested in what he's selling.

5) I didn't call your "work" a scam or crap, so get over yourself. It's a discussion forum where things get discussed and opinions get aired, not a "Let's say nice things about my website" forum.



DevotionalSex -> RE: Devotional Sex (12/15/2012 3:47:25 PM)

My point was the BDSM / kink is something which can be done within a relationship, and thus books on this topic don't write about relationships either.




MissToYouRedux -> RE: Devotional Sex (12/15/2012 4:08:40 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DevotionalSex

My point was the BDSM / kink is something which can be done within a relationship, and thus books on this topic don't write about relationships either.




Your point is understood. Our point is a submissive whose primary approach to a dominant woman is sexual, devotional or otherwise, does not impress.



PeonForHer -> RE: Devotional Sex (12/15/2012 4:14:03 PM)

Take no notice, DS. Like all Goddesses, they get bad tempered at this time of the month. [:)]



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