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A well documented short video on the wage gap lie - 12/13/2012 9:36:02 PM   
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Also, people should consider reading this.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/christina-hoff-sommers/wage-gap_b_2073804.html

The wage gap myth is the biggest feminist con of all cons. Will this lie go on forever and ever and ever?
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RE: A well documented short video on the wage gap lie - 12/13/2012 10:41:32 PM   
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Diana Furchtgott-Roth is a senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute.

(The Manhattan Institute for Policy Research (renamed in 1981 from the International Center for Economic Policy Studies) is an American conservative,[1][2] market-oriented[3] think tank established in New York City in 1978)

She is a contributing editor of RealClearMarkets.com, and a columnist for the Washington Examiner, MarketWatch.com, and Tax Notes. From 2003 to 2005, Ms. Furchtgott-Roth was chief economist of the U.S. Department of Labor. From 2001 to 2002 she served as chief of staff of President George W. Bush's Council of Economic Advisers. Ms. Furchtgott-Roth served as deputy executive director of the Domestic Policy Council and associate director of the Office of Policy Planning in the White House under President George H.W. Bush from 1991 to 1993, and she was an economist on the staff of President Reagan’s Council of Economic Advisers from 1986 to 1987.

Ms. Furchtgott-Roth is a frequent guest on FOX Business News, and she has appeared on numerous other TV and radio shows, including CNBC's Larry Kudlow Show, C-SPAN’s Washington Journal, and PBS’s The NewsHour with Jim Lehrer.

http://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/furchtgott-roth.htm

One of the highlights of the hearing was when Sen. Al Franken (D-MN) questioned Hudson Institute Senior Fellow Diana Furchtgott-Roth about medical bankruptcies. Franken asked Furchtgott-Roth — who claimed that moving towards a European-style system of universal health care would increase bankruptcies — about how many medical bankruptcies there were in countries that have universal health care, like Switzerland and France. Furchtgott-Rott repeatedly told Franken that she didn’t “have that number,” and Franken informed her that the number was actually zero:

FRANKEN: I think we disagree on whether health care reform, the health care reform that we’re talking about in Congress now should pass. You said that the way we’re going will increase bankruptcies. I want to ask you, how many medical bankruptcies because of medical crises were there last year in Switzerland?
FURCHTGOTT-ROTT: I don’t have that number in front of me, but I can find out and get back to you.
FRANKEN: I can tell you how many it was. It’s zero. Do you know how many medical bankruptcies there were last year in France?
FURCHTGOTT-ROTT: I don’t have that number, but I can get back to you if I like.
FRANKEN: Yeah, the number is zero. Do you know how many were in Germany?
FURCHTGOTT-ROTT: From the trend of your questions, I’m assuming the number is zero. But I don’t know the precise number and would have to get back to you.
FRANKEN: Well, you’re very good. Very fast. The point is, I think we need to go in that direction, not the opposite direction. Thank you.


http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2009/10/21/65427/al-franken-grills-hudson/

I gotta love the "they could sue for discrimination" she keeps touting. This lady is out of touch on many issues, including pay scales. Sadly, I doubt she has ever held a real job. To say that it would be comparing nurses to doctors salaries really made me laugh. Most male nurses make more than female nurses.... gotta keep them brawny men folk around and happy.

Most employers insist wages not be discussed. So how could a woman prove she is making less. It wasnt till 2009 that employees of any length of service (beyond 180 days) could file suit. After the first check, they had 6 months to file. Now, that 6 month time frame restarts with every paycheck.

But the persuasive air of silence continues. You can still be threatened with all the following : sanctions, written up at work, penalized, even fired, for discussing wages. Is that legal? Nope. But do you think they care? You still get told that.

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RE: A well documented short video on the wage gap lie - 12/13/2012 10:52:47 PM   
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I gotta love the "they could sue for discrimination" she keeps touting


Yes, a woman easily can with proof. But what people like you totally ignore or blindly claim that they do, is that you have to consider the hours, experience, how long they've been in the company, education etc etc. But feminists like to run away from that.

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Most male nurses make more than female nurses


Is there an honest valid source to this? A source that shows all the evidence/facts to the hours, experience, how long they have worked there etc etc?

The funniest thing about the wage gap lie is that how ridiculous is it to claim that most employers have this secret conspiracy where they want to rip off women. Like, do employers have secret meetings about this or something? This must be the biggest coincidence in the world! Wow, most employers decided to be evil discriminators against women.

Gotta larf!






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RE: A well documented short video on the wage gap lie - 12/13/2012 10:56:35 PM   
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The feminists and their gonad-less co-conspirators need to keep this lie of pay disparity alive. It's one of their only selling points.



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RE: A well documented short video on the wage gap lie - 12/14/2012 12:18:10 AM   
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RE: A well documented short video on the wage gap lie - 12/14/2012 12:37:21 AM   
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Who she is isn't relevant, what she is saying is what's relevant with this topic. Feminist/liberals seem to love to divert threads onto people instead of the topic.


Who she is is very relevant when you bring her up as a authority on a topic.

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Yes, a woman easily can with proof. But what people like you totally ignore or blindly claim that they do, is that you have to consider the hours, experience, how long they've been in the company, education etc etc. But feminists like to run away from that.


lol.... you think we havent? In the medical field, its years of experience. We are comparing apples to apples... not years from when we graduated. And I know very few women who can even afford to take time off to raise a child anymore.

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Is there an honest valid source to this? A source that shows all the evidence/facts to the hours, experience, how long they have worked there etc etc?


As in previous years, men in nursing made more money than women. The average salary for all male respondents was $54,600, compared with $50,600 for women-an 8% difference. Looking at RNs specifically, the gender gap was about 6%. But for LPNs, the gap was even wider: 16%.

http://journals.lww.com/nursing/Fulltext/2007/01001/A_closer_look_at_nurses__salaries.1.aspx

GENDER DIFFERENCES

In the NETNPA survey, salaries for male nurse practitioners were higher than their female counterparts. Males represented 7% of the total at the local level and 8% nationally. The gender disparities for the local survey were wider than that reported nationally.

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Salary+survey+results+from+the+Northeast+Tennessee+Nurse+Practitioner...-a0161116986

Salary by Gender

Male: $58,375 per year
Female: $52,959 per year

http://altmedicinesecrets.blogspot.com/2012/01/salary-of-home-health-nurse.html

Neonatal Nurse Practitioner Salary by Gender

Men and women make roughly the same amount of money working in neonatal nursing, but men do make more as a whole. Salary ranges by gender are as follows:

Male: $64,908 per year
Female: $60,008 per year


http://www.aspiringnurse.com/nurse-practitioner/neonatal-nurse-practitioner/neonatal-nurse-practitioner-salary/

The final RN sample was 28,158 (4,290 unionized nurses, 23,868 non-unionized nurses, 560 travel nurses, and 25, 802 facility employed nurses). Feasible generalized least squares regression was used to estimate the RN wage equation and to estimate wage equations for unionized, non-unionized, travel, and facility employed nurses. The wage differential for unionized and non-unionized nurses and for travel and facility employed nurses were analyzed using a decomposition technique developed by Oaxaca (1973) and refined by Holtzmann and Idson (1993). STATA 12 was used for all analyses. Outcomes: The results of the full wage model show that unionized wages were 7.3% higher than non-unionized nurses. Also nurses who were travelers earned 10% more than facility employed nurses. Nurses prepared with the associate degree or diploma degree as their highest nursing degree earned wages 3.6% less than nurses with a baccalaureate degree. Additionally, male nurses wages were 9.1% higher than female nurses and nurses who were non-white earned 3.9% more than white nurses.

http://www.nursinglibrary.org/vhl/handle/10755/211647?mode=full

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RE: A well documented short video on the wage gap lie - 12/14/2012 6:32:21 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

I can't be arsed to Google it, again but I produced an article stating that women, under 30 who had chosen to not have children (and children have been a "choice" in this country since 1973) make 8% more than their male counter-parts in major cities and I was shouted down.

The feminists and their gonad-less co-conspirators need to keep this lie of pay disparity alive. It's one of their only selling points.



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So you "produced" the article but in order to cite it you would need to google it ?
Two things come to mind 1) bullshit
2) if it's not bullshit,and you actually had a hand in such an article....well there goes any objectivity

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RE: A well documented short video on the wage gap lie - 12/14/2012 6:35:54 AM   
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As others have noted the ways of the "net" are childs play to this woman....don't fuck with her

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RE: A well documented short video on the wage gap lie - 12/14/2012 7:25:11 PM   
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Is there an honest valid source to this? A source that shows all the evidence/facts to the hours, experience, how long they have worked there etc etc?


There ya go. You did it.

Word of advise: Don't ever, I mean never, not even for a minute, assume Tazzy doesn't know what she is talking about. She doesn't always post her sources, but she can and has backed up every single claim she has ever made.

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RE: A well documented short video on the wage gap lie - 12/14/2012 8:48:56 PM   
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Thanky erie. I think I have missed one or two... but I have always admitted and posted what I did find, even if correcting myself in the process.

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RE: A well documented short video on the wage gap lie - 12/15/2012 6:09:33 PM   
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tazzy to cite a source will,in all instances,lead to a valid link and in some case multiple links



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Word of advise: Don't ever, I mean never, not even for a minute, assume Tazzy doesn't know what she is talking about. She doesn't always post her sources, but she can and has backed up every single claim she has ever made.


ROFL none so blind as those who will not see.

Again! In all these links you provided me, it just simply shows a figure that on average men are getting paid more without showing ALL the factors behind it. You are doing the exact thing that I made criticism about earlier in this thread.

For example, the first link just rambles on about certification and education pay, weighing hospital location, which nursing units pay best...blah blah blah without explaining anything AT ALL about a studied graph with all factors that exist where it may affect pay comparing women and men.

Where in any of these links does it compare female to male counter parts in all the factors I mentioned? Not just one, or some, ALL factors that contribute to difference of pay.

Don't you think that people who make these studies may have an agenda? They may throw in a couple of factors to make it look genuine while ignoring the rest?

If you want an honest validated study, this study must include every single factor that exist.

Women and their male counter parts: Working in the same hospital, with the same education, the same hours, the same times of day they are working as night and day shift wages can vary. A person's hours can depend on their family schedule. How about public holidays in regards of penalty rates? Who is more willing to do it? A person who is more family orientated or a person who is less?

Women seem to take more time off when it comes to kids. During their reproduction cycles such a pregnancy/birth and time after, they need maternity leave from work. So with the male counter parts that they started on the same starting line with in the same company, this makes their status in the company fall behind. Therefore, a fact of life in the business world depends on how much a person has done for a company/business/hospital in regards of if an employer decides to raise the pay.

I am yet to see an honest validated study that shows actual evidence in comparing all males and females in every single factor.

Which means: For every male and female involved in the study, they show a list of what exact hospital they work, what education they have, what hours they did, what times of day they worked, did they do public holidays. How much dedication and hours worked ALL added up over years they put in the company from all the time they have been there.

I am confident to say that one doesn't exist as this whole claptrap about most employers want to secretly be evil discriminators against women is just plain ridiculous. It must be the biggest fucking coincidence in the whole world if most employers decided that they want to discriminate women.

Come on, can't any intelligent person see this?


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RE: A well documented short video on the wage gap lie - 12/15/2012 10:33:04 PM   
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Which means: For every male and female involved in the study, they show a list of what exact hospital they work, what education they have, what hours they did, what times of day they worked, did they do public holidays. How much dedication and hours worked ALL added up over years they put in the company from all the time they have been there.


Go find me any study with that exact information. Its not available. Insisting upon an impossible goal post is worse than moving them.

You are pissed because I proved my case with more than one link, within more than one area of nursing, by more than just one agency.

Dont blame me because you once again got called on your bullshit and were... once again... proven wrong.

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RE: A well documented short video on the wage gap lie - 12/15/2012 10:43:37 PM   
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You are pissed because I proved my case with more than one link


Proved? lol what planet are you living in?

No, I am not pissed at all, in fact I am laughing. You didn't prove anything. All you did is further weaken the case of this hysteria over the wage gap.

This wage gap idiocy that you and others go on with is a load of crap! Why? Because any research that exist on it in favour of your ridiculous myth, refuses to give any evidence behind the study of ALL the factors that are involved which may cause the gap to happen.

It's up to you to give me a source, if you can't, you haven't got a leg to stand on.

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RE: A well documented short video on the wage gap lie - 12/15/2012 10:50:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		I gave you the industry sources.

Its ok, we know you cant find the ones you insist upon, because they are not available for any industry.

Its, again, you back peddaling and side stepping.

You remind me of this fella....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJG75FJkjr8

With about as much common sense.

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RE: A well documented short video on the wage gap lie - 12/15/2012 10:52:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		If I accuse a person of a crime but can't provide the evidence, what happens?

In your case, you are making an accusation and giving links from other people who believe in the same accusation but totally fail in presenting the evidence.

You see, if your claim was REALITY, that would mean there would be law suits WON everywhere, in nearly every hospital. It would be really big on the news with all these cases going down with all the victory.

But you see, as it's not reality, this isn't happening.


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RE: A well documented short video on the wage gap lie - 12/16/2012 12:21:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		I provided it, with studies included. I more than proved my claim. Industry analysts have backed me up. You got squat.

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You see, if your claim was REALITY, that would mean there would be law suits WON everywhere, in nearly every hospital. It would be really big on the news with all these cases going down with all the victory.


ROFLMFAO

You really are that simplistic, arent you.

Why havent you heard about massive lawsuits?

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2008/03/have-you-signed-away-your-right-sue

Reading is fundamental!


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RE: A well documented short video on the wage gap lie - 12/16/2012 12:22:28 AM   
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Considering the stand that some have taken elsewhere, why dont we eliminate the fair wage laws? Maybe repeal the 19th amendment as well?

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RE: A well documented short video on the wage gap lie - 12/16/2012 12:26:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		Those agreements effectively have removed legal recourse for fair wages.

I realize you are in a snit, Jeff. But the snit is of your own making. Dont take it out others.

I would also add that the agreements do not mean women dont win. Its just why many arent heard about in the "news"

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RE: A well documented short video on the wage gap lie - 12/16/2012 12:30:45 AM   
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Industry analysts have backed me up. You got squat.


Quote it here then, if that's the case. If you don't, what is this telling us? I don't mean just giving the link, but actually quote and point out things in the link that proves your so called case.

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You really are that simplistic, arent you.


This is funny, I am not even allowed to call someone a hypocrite in a debate in here and yet this is given a pass lol

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Why havent you heard about massive lawsuits?


Yes, I have heard about them and these may be legit. But the point is that showing some legit cases is not proving that this is happening on a general basis. It's like me pointing out some terrible muslims and then claiming most or all muslims are bad. In your case, you can point out these legit cases, but this doesn't prove most or all employers are bad.

I do admit that there a discriminators/sexists/racist in this world. This is undeniable. Of course there may be SOME to a small extent of employers who discriminate women, but guess what? If it goes one way, that means it can go the other. So if there are employers who discriminate women, that means there are also employers who discriminate men.

But you are trying to make a case that MOST employers are sexist, right? You totally FAIL FAIL FAIL in giving this evidence, and yet sit here with a straight face and tell me it's all correct. lol

So pleeease, come up with this proof.

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RE: A well documented short video on the wage gap lie - 12/16/2012 12:33:19 AM   
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Go find me any study with that exact information. Its not available. Insisting upon an impossible goal post


So you are making an accusation against most employers and then ADMIT that it's impossible to provide the evidence to all the facts.

Can you see how laughable your stance truly is? :D


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