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Where are the GOP's "fiscal cliff" spending c... - 12/14/2012 10:47:51 AM   
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Discussing the looming "fiscal cliff" Thursday, House Speaker John Boehner said that President Obama "is just not serious about cutting spending." On Wednesday, in a speech in which he again accused the president of a lack of seriousness, Boehner asked, "Where are the president's spending cuts?"

It's a strange question, when you think about it. It's not the president, after all, that is particularly interested in cutting spending. Mr. Obama has made clear that his priority in helping to address the debt and deficit is increasing revenue - the money coming into the government. And he has made clear a major component of how he wants to do it: By letting tax rates on income over $250,000 revert from 35 percent to the Clinton-era level of 39.6 percent.

Boehner and his fellow Republicans are the ones who say that spending cuts should be the priority. It thus follows that they would be the ones to offer ideas about specific spending cuts. To date, they have not. When reporters ask what Republicans would cut, GOP aides refer to three documents: The 2012 House GOP budget, 2011 testimony by Democrat Erskine Bowles, and the Sequester Replacement Reconciliation Act that would replace the automatic cuts to defense that are part of the "fiscal cliff" with cuts to food stamp and other mandatory programs.

There are two big problems with that response. One, which was discussed here, is that Republicans are broadly proposing to replace the $1.2 trillion in automatic spending cuts in the "fiscal cliff," which are split between defense and domestic spending, with $1.2 trillion in cuts focused only on domestic spending. Democrats have no incentive to accept such a deal, and plenty of reason to reject it.

The bigger problem is that Republicans refuse to make clear exactly what they want to cut in a "fiscal cliff" deal. Telling reporters to look at an old House budget is not the same as making a concrete offer. CBS News asked a Boehner representative for a clear statement of what the House speaker wants to cut on Thursday. We did not receive a response.

Boehner's supporters might argue that Mr. Obama has a responsibility to offer spending cuts, since Boehner has already made an offer on revenue. But that argument doesn't hold up: While Boehner has said he is willing to accept $800 billion in additional revenue - a significant concession - he won't say how he would get there. He says he would reform the tax code in part by closing loopholes and deductions, but he won't say which ones.

...........

One challenge for Boehner is that his position simply isn't all that popular with the American people. Polls show that a majority of Americans support Mr. Obama's proposal to raise tax rates on the top two percent of Americans, which is why the president keeps talking about it. They tend to oppose major spending cuts to domestic and entitlement programs, such as raising the age for Medicare coverage from 65 to 67. Republicans do relatively well with the American people when they talk broadly about cutting spending, but they run into trouble when the conversation turns to the specifics of what they might cut. That's why Boehner wants the president to lay out the spending cuts for him: If the proposal comes from the White House, the White House will have to deal in large part with the political fallout.

But the White House almost certainly isn't going to hand Boehner that gift. No matter how many times Boehner calls for a detailed White House plan on spending cuts, the public likely won't see specifics until an overall deal is worked out behind closed doors. It simply doesn't make sense for the White House to discuss spending cuts in the absence of an agreement on revenue increases that make those cuts more palatable to Democrats. Any suggestion otherwise is simply the latest instance in a seemingly-never ending stream of "fiscal cliff" political theater.



http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57559106/where-are-the-gops-fiscal-cliff-spending-cuts/

Why wont Boehner actually name cuts or loopholes?

(Title of the thread is the title of the article.)

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RE: Where are the GOP's "fiscal cliff" spendi... - 12/14/2012 12:28:35 PM   
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Boehner is negotiating. Obama has proposed his revenue increases. Boehner countered. The House of Representatives has passed budgets that haven't seen the light of day in the Senate. Perhaps there is where the cuts have been put out? He could also have given President Obama a copy of Paul Ryan's plan.

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RE: Where are the GOP's "fiscal cliff" spendi... - 12/14/2012 12:34:26 PM   
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When reporters ask what Republicans would cut, GOP aides refer to three documents: The 2012 House GOP budget, 2011 testimony by Democrat Erskine Bowles, and the Sequester Replacement Reconciliation Act that would replace the automatic cuts to defense that are part of the "fiscal cliff" with cuts to food stamp and other mandatory programs.

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RE: Where are the GOP's "fiscal cliff" spendi... - 12/14/2012 1:03:57 PM   
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The FIRST THING you cut is maintaining B-52s. THEN you close the Air force, since they're not needed at all.

THEN we can talk about what to do after dropping medicare eligibility to 40...

Personally, I favor just imposing simple sales tax on the SALE of stocks and bonds. Like any other property.

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RE: Where are the GOP's "fiscal cliff" spendi... - 12/14/2012 2:16:35 PM   
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Why on earth would you get rid of b52s? The most effective aircraft are the oldest, f11, a10, and hr f16

Kill the f35, b1, and keep the b1

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RE: Where are the GOP's "fiscal cliff" spendi... - 12/14/2012 4:50:40 PM   
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Tazzy, Boehner's not supposed to have a reasonable proposal at this point. He should present something unrealistic, as should Obama. Then they each use their ridiculous proposals as starting points and argue and yell at each other until they eventually agree on something in between.

Boehner's screwed. He has crazies in his own party that will try to oust him and fight him for achieving anything short of an absolute victory, even though the recent election could be seen as an Obama mandate. If he pushes hard enough to trigger the fiscal cliff, indications are that it will damage the country, which neither he nor Obama want - and that his party will take most of the blame.

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RE: Where are the GOP's "fiscal cliff" spendi... - 12/14/2012 4:54:54 PM   
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I say lock them all up with bread and water until they come to a decision.

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RE: Where are the GOP's "fiscal cliff" spendi... - 12/14/2012 5:19:07 PM   
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quote:

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Discussing the looming "fiscal cliff" Thursday, House Speaker John Boehner said that President Obama "is just not serious about cutting spending." On Wednesday, in a speech in which he again accused the president of a lack of seriousness, Boehner asked, "Where are the president's spending cuts?"

It's a strange question, when you think about it. It's not the president, after all, that is particularly interested in cutting spending. Mr. Obama has made clear that his priority in helping to address the debt and deficit is increasing revenue - the money coming into the government. And he has made clear a major component of how he wants to do it: By letting tax rates on income over $250,000 revert from 35 percent to the Clinton-era level of 39.6 percent.

Boehner and his fellow Republicans are the ones who say that spending cuts should be the priority. It thus follows that they would be the ones to offer ideas about specific spending cuts. To date, they have not. When reporters ask what Republicans would cut, GOP aides refer to three documents: The 2012 House GOP budget, 2011 testimony by Democrat Erskine Bowles, and the Sequester Replacement Reconciliation Act that would replace the automatic cuts to defense that are part of the "fiscal cliff" with cuts to food stamp and other mandatory programs.

There are two big problems with that response. One, which was discussed here, is that Republicans are broadly proposing to replace the $1.2 trillion in automatic spending cuts in the "fiscal cliff," which are split between defense and domestic spending, with $1.2 trillion in cuts focused only on domestic spending. Democrats have no incentive to accept such a deal, and plenty of reason to reject it.

The bigger problem is that Republicans refuse to make clear exactly what they want to cut in a "fiscal cliff" deal. Telling reporters to look at an old House budget is not the same as making a concrete offer. CBS News asked a Boehner representative for a clear statement of what the House speaker wants to cut on Thursday. We did not receive a response.

Boehner's supporters might argue that Mr. Obama has a responsibility to offer spending cuts, since Boehner has already made an offer on revenue. But that argument doesn't hold up: While Boehner has said he is willing to accept $800 billion in additional revenue - a significant concession - he won't say how he would get there. He says he would reform the tax code in part by closing loopholes and deductions, but he won't say which ones.

...........

One challenge for Boehner is that his position simply isn't all that popular with the American people. Polls show that a majority of Americans support Mr. Obama's proposal to raise tax rates on the top two percent of Americans, which is why the president keeps talking about it. They tend to oppose major spending cuts to domestic and entitlement programs, such as raising the age for Medicare coverage from 65 to 67. Republicans do relatively well with the American people when they talk broadly about cutting spending, but they run into trouble when the conversation turns to the specifics of what they might cut. That's why Boehner wants the president to lay out the spending cuts for him: If the proposal comes from the White House, the White House will have to deal in large part with the political fallout.

But the White House almost certainly isn't going to hand Boehner that gift. No matter how many times Boehner calls for a detailed White House plan on spending cuts, the public likely won't see specifics until an overall deal is worked out behind closed doors. It simply doesn't make sense for the White House to discuss spending cuts in the absence of an agreement on revenue increases that make those cuts more palatable to Democrats. Any suggestion otherwise is simply the latest instance in a seemingly-never ending stream of "fiscal cliff" political theater.



http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57559106/where-are-the-gops-fiscal-cliff-spending-cuts/

Why wont Boehner actually name cuts or loopholes?

(Title of the thread is the title of the article.)


Let's be honest here......

The Republicans have stated over and over again...."give us 3 to 1 spending cuts v. new revenue and we'll sign on"....the Prez has not offered any such thing.

It is not up the Republicans to offer such a thing (although with Simpson / Bowles, they offered exactly that)...it's up to the Prez to present such a budget.

The Prez has stated over and over again...."give me the tax increases and I'll give you the cuts".

Put it on paper.

Make it law.

The Republicans will sign it.

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RE: Where are the GOP's "fiscal cliff" spendi... - 12/14/2012 5:50:43 PM   
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Nobody wants to publicly cut anything because the other party will use it for ammo. Come next election cycle, the republicans will use it to attack dems.

This tax increase was put in place because nobody wanted to face doing the right thing. Obama isnt going to give the repubs a victory because he wins either way. Next year the dems can claim being fiscally respinsible making heavy cuts AND lower taxes.

The best the repubs can get out of this is to attempt to.paint obama as not bipartisan. Good lucj.

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RE: Where are the GOP's "fiscal cliff" spendi... - 12/14/2012 6:07:28 PM   
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quote:

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When reporters ask what Republicans would cut, GOP aides refer to three documents: The 2012 House GOP budget, 2011 testimony by Democrat Erskine Bowles, and the Sequester Replacement Reconciliation Act that would replace the automatic cuts to defense that are part of the "fiscal cliff" with cuts to food stamp and other mandatory programs.


I guess the thread's Subject question has been answered.

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RE: Where are the GOP's "fiscal cliff" spendi... - 12/14/2012 6:13:42 PM   
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The Republicans have stated over and over again...."give us 3 to 1 spending cuts v. new revenue and we'll sign on"....the Prez has not offered any such thing.


I have yet to see any of them say that.

Bowles distanced himself quickly from the plan Boehner offered up as the Bowles plan.

Washington (CNN) -- They are losing the battle over higher taxes on the wealthy, so now Republicans are threatening a political war next year when it comes time to raise the nation's debt ceiling.

With cracks appearing in their anti-tax facade and polls showing most Americans favoring President Barack Obama's stance in the fiscal cliff negotiations, GOP legislators are starting to advocate a tactical retreat to fight another day.

Conservative Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-South Carolina, promised the newly re-elected Obama "one hell of a fight" next year if the president forces through his plan for high-income earners to pay more taxes without agreeing to substantive steps to reduce the nation's chronic federal deficits and debt.

"But there will come a time in February and March where we have to raise the debt ceiling," Graham said Tuesday on "Piers Morgan Tonight" on CNN.

"I will not raise the debt ceiling ever again until we get significant entitlement reforms, because if we don't reform entitlements, we're going to become Greece," adding that the situation presented a chance for Obama to lead. "But if he doesn't lead, there's going to be one hell of a fight over raising the debt ceiling."



http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/11/politics/fiscal-cliff/index.html

Politics as usual.

They have to sign. This is the problem with a obstructionist congress. Now their jobs are on the line. Obama got his public mandate. According to Gallup, 70% polled want a compromise.

They have three weeks. They will sign.

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RE: Where are the GOP's "fiscal cliff" spendi... - 12/14/2012 6:17:17 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
When reporters ask what Republicans would cut, GOP aides refer to three documents: The 2012 House GOP budget, 2011 testimony by Democrat Erskine Bowles, and the Sequester Replacement Reconciliation Act that would replace the automatic cuts to defense that are part of the "fiscal cliff" with cuts to food stamp and other mandatory programs.


I guess the thread's Subject question has been answered.



lol... really? Just that simple huh?

You have no more of a clue than anyone else does.

Not to mention the plan Boehner offered up claiming to be Bowles Bowles has distanced himself quickly from.

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RE: Where are the GOP's "fiscal cliff" spendi... - 12/14/2012 6:33:06 PM   
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The Republicans have stated over and over again...."give us 3 to 1 spending cuts v. new revenue and we'll sign on"....the Prez has not offered any such thing.


That 3:1 equation comes from a myth that Reagan worked with a Democratic Congress to achieve the exact same thing. The myth also implies that the Dems did not live up to their side of the bargain by coming up the cuts after getting the higher taxes.

The Washington Post, however, has debunked that myth...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/the-historical-myth-that-reagan-raised-1-in-taxes-for-every-3-in-spending-cuts/2012/12/13/58a33e4c-4555-11e2-8061-253bccfc7532_blog.html


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RE: Where are the GOP's "fiscal cliff" spendi... - 12/14/2012 6:38:06 PM   
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quote:

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quote:

The Republicans have stated over and over again...."give us 3 to 1 spending cuts v. new revenue and we'll sign on"....the Prez has not offered any such thing.


I have yet to see any of them say that.

Bowles distanced himself quickly from the plan Boehner offered up as the Bowles plan.

Washington (CNN) -- They are losing the battle over higher taxes on the wealthy, so now Republicans are threatening a political war next year when it comes time to raise the nation's debt ceiling.

With cracks appearing in their anti-tax facade and polls showing most Americans favoring President Barack Obama's stance in the fiscal cliff negotiations, GOP legislators are starting to advocate a tactical retreat to fight another day.

Conservative Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-South Carolina, promised the newly re-elected Obama "one hell of a fight" next year if the president forces through his plan for high-income earners to pay more taxes without agreeing to substantive steps to reduce the nation's chronic federal deficits and debt.

"But there will come a time in February and March where we have to raise the debt ceiling," Graham said Tuesday on "Piers Morgan Tonight" on CNN.

"I will not raise the debt ceiling ever again until we get significant entitlement reforms, because if we don't reform entitlements, we're going to become Greece," adding that the situation presented a chance for Obama to lead. "But if he doesn't lead, there's going to be one hell of a fight over raising the debt ceiling."



http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/11/politics/fiscal-cliff/index.html

Politics as usual.

They have to sign. This is the problem with a obstructionist congress. Now their jobs are on the line. Obama got his public mandate. According to Gallup, 70% polled want a compromise.

They have three weeks. They will sign.


Hell Taz...even the wealthy have argued for new taxes!

I argue for new taxes.....

And...the same tax rate for earned v. unearned income....it's income.

Pure and simple.

When the Democrats are willing to lock in (not "promise") those spending cuts...the Republicans will sign.

What do you think would happen if Obama called their bluff? If the Republicans got what they asked for and then backed off?

It would be Democrats from sea to shining sea.

There would be no Republican party. It would cease to exist.

Give the market a 3 to 1 gig....and the deal is done.

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RE: Where are the GOP's "fiscal cliff" spendi... - 12/14/2012 6:44:16 PM   
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quote:

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quote:

The Republicans have stated over and over again...."give us 3 to 1 spending cuts v. new revenue and we'll sign on"....the Prez has not offered any such thing.


That 3:1 equation comes from a myth that Reagan worked with a Democratic Congress to achieve the exact same thing. The myth also implies that the Dems did not live up to their side of the bargain by coming up the cuts after getting the higher taxes.

The Washington Post, however, has debunked that myth...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/the-historical-myth-that-reagan-raised-1-in-taxes-for-every-3-in-spending-cuts/2012/12/13/58a33e4c-4555-11e2-8061-253bccfc7532_blog.html




The 3 to 1 equation comes from Republicans demanding that there must be a 3 to 1 ratio or there's no deal.

It didn't come from Reagan (except that when Reagan proposed it....everyone agreed....but the cuts from the Democrats never happened, hence why the Republicans are {now} holding fast)....it came from recent proposals from Boehner.

(The guy's read history and he knows....Democrats or Republicans.....if it ain't in writing....it doesn't exist).

Let's be clear....with the exception of the current regime....which is unprecedented.....Republicans have spent more money in every case than Democrats (again, with the exception of the current regime....which is unprecedented)...but the Republicans are saying now.....

"Give me a 3 to 1 deal and I'll sign".

Ya know what? That doesn't sound so awful no matter which party you're in!

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RE: Where are the GOP's "fiscal cliff" spendi... - 12/14/2012 6:47:23 PM   
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it came from recent proposals from Boehner


Gotta ask for a source, babe. Im trying to figure out just what is being asked here.

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RE: Where are the GOP's "fiscal cliff" spendi... - 12/14/2012 6:49:54 PM   
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And since the Republicans want the 3:1 to deal, they should be the people to propose where the spending cuts come from.

And shown from my article, in the Reagan scenario, the Dems did fulfill their obligations, it was Reagan and his administration that did not cut when and where they needed to do cutting.


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RE: Where are the GOP's "fiscal cliff" spendi... - 12/15/2012 4:38:06 AM   
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And since the Republicans want the 3:1 to deal, they should be the people to propose where the spending cuts come from.

And shown from my article, in the Reagan scenario, the Dems did fulfill their obligations, it was Reagan and his administration that did not cut when and where they needed to do cutting.




They did....they were turned down. 2010.

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RE: Where are the GOP's "fiscal cliff" spendi... - 12/15/2012 5:34:05 AM   
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Again.... sources. 3 to 1 deal.

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RE: Where are the GOP's "fiscal cliff" spendi... - 12/15/2012 12:04:50 PM   
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And since the Republicans want the 3:1 to deal, they should be the people to propose where the spending cuts come from.
And shown from my article, in the Reagan scenario, the Dems did fulfill their obligations, it was Reagan and his administration that did not cut when and where they needed to do cutting.


Actually, I believe it was the Republicans in the Legislative Branch that didn't fulfill the obligation, which didn't sit well with Reagan. In response he had no problem raising taxes.

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