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LookieNoNookie -> RE: Gun Control and mass murder, one does not eliminate the other. (12/17/2012 5:30:27 PM)
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ORIGINAL: jlf1961
Starting this thread to keep the one about the Massacre in Connecticut from going to far off the point, one mentally unbalanced individual killing people for no good reason.
Now for some facts:
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More than 53,000 people have been murdered in Mexico in the last six years—most of them by a variety of pistols, rifles, and assault weapons owned by Mexican drug cartels. While the exact number of firearms in circulation in Mexico eludes everyone, we know tens of thousands are seized every year by Mexican authorities.
These facts and figures might lead one to believe that it’s easy for cartels to buy or otherwise acquire guns in Mexico. In fact, Mexico has some of the strictest gun control laws on the entire planet—as well as one of the planet’s highest annual death tolls as a result of gun violence.
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Now before you anti-gun fanatics start saying that the drug thugs are just going across the border into the states to get their firearms, I might as well point out that these cartels are using a lot of automatic weapons, meaning they primarily use the "spray and pray" style of shooting.
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On the other hand, you might look at this little set of facts.
In Sandpoint, North Idaho, where I live for most of the summer, it's extremely easy to buy a gun. You can buy them at stores and at gun shows, or just at yard sales. Yet there are almost no gun deaths in Bonner County, Idaho.
The last ones of note in North Idaho were done by the FBI at Ruby Ridge, and that's a different story./snip
On the other hand, in my beloved Los Angeles, where I live most of the year, there's extremely strict gun control. It's a real project to buy a gun.
Here, we have gang shootings and death by guns on a terrifying scale. In my native city of Washington, D.C., the same goes: Strict gun control and lots of shootings.
The same goes for Chicago. Strict gun control and a lot of killing.
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Another example of a country with strict gun control laws is Jamaica, very strict laws and a very high rate of gun violence.
Of course there is Israel, very lax gun laws and very low rate of gun violence.
And people who are pro-gun are not monsters who care nothing for human life or the damage a gun can do. I am a combat vet, and I know full and well what a weapon in the right or even wrong hands can do.
I can also say that if I had to, I could go to the nearest large city, spend a day or two and come home with a few untraceable weapons that may or may not be available legally.
Of course, you could look at the rampant use of firearms in the various civil and tribal wars going on in Africa. I can guarantee that those killers did not go down to the local sporting goods store and buy those weapons.
I own sporting weapons and some collectables. There is one weapon that I have been trying to get in my collection for a number of years, a Soviet Era Dragunov sniper rifle. They are illegal to import into the United States and have been for a number of years. The only ones legally allowed to be sold in the United States are those that got here before the ban.
Recently, at a gun show I was told that I could buy one, but the price was 3 times the market price, which to me indicated the weapon would be illegal.
The point, anyone can get a gun at any time, anyplace for the right price.
Ya know what...I get this whole thing but, the world has changed.
It is true...in the U.S. at least, where there are more gun owners, crime is less....but, I don't give a shit what hunters say...no one needs a gun that can rip off 43 rounds in a second.
Not needed to protect your house, or fill your freezer.
I hate guns, yet I have almost 20 of them, largely because I live in a rural area on a large property and I simply ain't 23 any more.
I do believe the second amendment is sacrosanct and it mandates that to be in a position to challenge our own government, we need to be able to bear arms....not just have the right to but in fact be able to.
But no one needs a Gattling gun which can rip someones torso in half with one pull, and 2.7 seconds effort.
There's got to be some middle ground...psychological testing....maybe no more than 5 guns per owner/household....I don't know but the current shit ain't working.
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