RE: Gun Control and mass murder, one does not eliminate the other.

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meatcleaver -> RE: Gun Control and mass murder, one does not eliminate the other. (12/19/2012 3:18:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael How many times have american hunters had to rescue gun hating europeans? The NRA helped arm britian in wii. Seems they didnt have enough guns to save their freedom. America did good business with Britain, let's not get too carried away with how much you helped us, there was no altruism, there was a common goal. Don't forget you didn't enter the war until you were attacked by Japan and Germany declared war on you. You also took the last of Britain's gold for twelve piss poor ships but yes, that was Britain's fault for not having the capacity to build enough ships quickly enough so you were able to force an unusually high price for them. You were also determind to destroy Britain as a trading power after the war. So let's not get carried away witgh what you did for Britain. We had a common aim which was to win the axis powers. As for friendship, that was a convenience for the rich and powerful of both countries, not for ordinary folk. And anoth thing, America did fuck all for Britain's freedom, Britan saved itself. After the Battle of Britain there was no way Germany could win the war, it was just a matter of time before Germany lost it, even the German General staff realised that. America's intervention shortened the war, it didn't change what would have been the eventual result, particularly after Germany invaded Russia.

crazyml -> RE: Gun Control and mass murder, one does not eliminate the other. (12/19/2012 4:02:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael How many times have american hunters had to rescue gun hating europeans? I'm quite sure I've no idea.... So tell us, how many times have american hunters had to rescue gun hating europeans? quote: The NRA helped arm britian in wii. Seems they didnt have enough guns to save their freedom. The US sold weapons to Britain in WW2, that's true. Not sure how that relates to gun ownership, but it's true that capitalism worked a treat when Britain was, on its own, (and not for the fucking first time) defending the entirety of Europe from a maniacal dictator. We bought, and paid for, a ton of shit from our great friends the Americans.

Powergamz1 -> RE: Gun Control and mass murder, one does not eliminate the other. (12/19/2012 8:46:20 AM)
Ahh yes... jingoism, and cross border fingerpointing. Nothing like stepping up the othering and the divisiveness to make sure that no more kids get killed, hmmm?

slvemike4u -> RE: Gun Control and mass murder, one does not eliminate the other. (12/19/2012 8:52:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 Correct me if I am wrong but 8 people got hit when cops in NYC opened fire on a suspect recently. Would more people firing have helped any ? Would those be the police that are always lauded as "trained professionals" in comparisons designed to portray the ordinary CCW holder as a dangerous dumbass? K. No,those would be the police that certain legislators wish to make responsible for training volunteers who would than be armed and in our schools. Those cops [8\|] Yanno,in response to gun violence.

slvemike4u -> RE: Gun Control and mass murder, one does not eliminate the other. (12/19/2012 8:53:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael How many times have american hunters had to rescue gun hating europeans? The NRA helped arm britian in wii. Seems they didnt have enough guns to save their freedom. OMFG.....where do you get this bullshit ?

SimplyMichael -> RE: Gun Control and mass murder, one does not eliminate the other. (12/19/2012 9:04:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u quote: ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael How many times have american hunters had to rescue gun hating europeans? The NRA helped arm britian in wii. Seems they didnt have enough guns to save their freedom. OMFG.....where do you get this bullshit ? Uh, its this place called history

slvemike4u -> RE: Gun Control and mass murder, one does not eliminate the other. (12/19/2012 9:10:19 AM)
No it isn't....it is nothing more than a revisionist fairy tale,a simplistic version not worthy of being presented to third graders. Others have pointed this out to you,but let me be specific...You claimed the NRA helped arm Britain in WWII....now I will demand that you prove that,cite credible sources where we can see what the NRA's involvement in arming Britain was History my ass.

slvemike4u -> RE: Gun Control and mass murder, one does not eliminate the other. (12/19/2012 9:11:45 AM)
No later than January. Informed people will know what I mean.[:)]

SimplyMichael -> RE: Gun Control and mass murder, one does not eliminate the other. (12/19/2012 9:21:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u No it isn't....it is nothing more than a revisionist fairy tale,a simplistic version not worthy of being presented to third graders. Others have pointed this out to you,but let me be specific...You claimed the NRA helped arm Britain in WWII....now I will demand that you prove that,cite credible sources where we can see what the NRA's involvement in arming Britain was History my ass. What will you say if i am wrong? If i lied i will stop pisting on this topic, will you bet me the same if you are wrong?

slvemike4u -> RE: Gun Control and mass murder, one does not eliminate the other. (12/19/2012 9:34:13 AM)
That is a very vague offer...and one not worth considering. Much like your claim of the NRA arming Britain. Vague ....inexact.....non-specific. Am I being clear ?

SimplyMichael -> RE: Gun Control and mass murder, one does not eliminate the other. (12/19/2012 9:35:57 AM)
Well then...when you have the integrity to stand up for your opinion, let me know

slvemike4u -> RE: Gun Control and mass murder, one does not eliminate the other. (12/19/2012 9:39:58 AM)
By the way,if your claim...or proof of same...is going to come from the NRA's own web page,if it consists of the NRA's own claim to have raised more than 7,000 weapons for Britain in 1940 I will still object. Sending 7,000 small arms to Britain in 1940 had nothing at all to do with saving their freedom. Which is what your post tried to insinuate.

slvemike4u -> RE: Gun Control and mass murder, one does not eliminate the other. (12/19/2012 9:41:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael Well then...when you have the integrity to stand up for your opinion, let me know When you have the integrity to stop making outlandish and specious claims,let me know.

SimplyMichael -> RE: Gun Control and mass murder, one does not eliminate the other. (12/19/2012 9:47:12 AM)
You are as bad with google as tazzy is. I know what i am talking about BEFORE I open my mouth. Rather than have integrity, you looked it up. And again with the reading problems. I stated the NRA SUPPLIED guns in one sentence. The NEXT sentence was about them not having enough guns. The Brits ran ads BEGGING for guns in 1940. Of course, part of that was,an appeal to get the isolationists off their ass by making an emotional appeal. I did not say the nra won britains freedom.

PANKRATIO -> RE: Gun Control and mass murder, one does not eliminate the other. (12/19/2012 9:48:47 AM)
Personal Responsibility. Up here in Canada, the gun control is medium-repressive. May-issue (never issue) CCW is the norm and self-defense laws are written in very specific, limiting language. The gun violence comes primarily from people who don't obey the law anyhow. They skip the legitimate steps of purchasing a gun and go straight for the black market. We had a debate about 6 years ago about "hi cap" mags (actually a pistol mag in a pistol-calibre carbine) (which only held 10 anyhow.) from a (1 kill, several injured) spree shooter who had a legitimately purchased firearm. There was a very vocal minority (myself included) who claimed that the magazine capacity was less a factor than the shooter being unopposed. In Canada speak, we'd say "1 on zero, with an empty net." Of course he's going to score! The second poster says it takes jlf1961 balls to post a pro gun thread at a time like this. It may be called integrity. The voice of reason. It kills me to see my southern cousins throwing out the tradition of personal freedom that they've fought so hard to make sacred, and that we north of 49.002 N have in recent centuries sought to adopt ourselves. Does civil disarmament mean anything to you?

Moonhead -> RE: Gun Control and mass murder, one does not eliminate the other. (12/19/2012 11:41:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u quote: ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael How many times have american hunters had to rescue gun hating europeans? The NRA helped arm britian in wii. Seems they didnt have enough guns to save their freedom. OMFG.....where do you get this bullshit ? Uh, its this place called history Really? Sounds more like an issue of Sergeant Fury And The Howling Commandos.

BamaD -> RE: Gun Control and mass murder, one does not eliminate the other. (12/19/2012 4:35:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: You don't get it, I am not bragging about anything. I was merely pointing out that it is not the weapons it is the will to kill and the fact that there was no way to fight back. Of course there is. Lock them up. See how simple that is? Lock up the guns. The guns in the Ar school shotting in the 90s were locked up in a locked room inside a gun safe and were still stolen. Besides your plan of home inspections give gun owners less rights than convicted felons. so lets just repeal the bill of rights, simple.

tazzygirl -> RE: Gun Control and mass murder, one does not eliminate the other. (12/19/2012 4:37:23 PM)
We inspect homes when additions are built.. when selling a home.. when buying a home.. when electrical work is performed.. we inspect homes for all sorts of reasons and no one complains then their rights are gone or they are being treated as convicted felons.

BamaD -> RE: Gun Control and mass murder, one does not eliminate the other. (12/19/2012 4:39:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD You don't get it, I am not bragging about anything. I was merely pointing out that it is not the weapons it is the will to kill and the fact that there was no way to fight back. Fast shooting means more wasted rounds High capacity means smaller,less powerfull bullets people kill because they want to kill we need a better mental health system Its you who doesnt get it. Do you really think if several people had been armed in Aurora, and all started shooting, bystanders would not have got killed. Especially given that some of those hit were from bullets going through walls. Correct me if I am wrong but 8 people got hit when cops in NYC opened fire on a suspect recently. Would more people firing have helped any ? All I see from the gun lobby are platitudes and nonsense, such as the guy in Virginia who said "Guns are fun" Tell that to those that have lost loved ones. This week in B'ham Al a shooter tried to copy Aurora armed person in the theater result one dead the shooter, so yes I have to believe it could have made a difference.

BamaD -> RE: Gun Control and mass murder, one does not eliminate the other. (12/19/2012 4:44:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl We inspect homes when additions are built.. when selling a home.. when buying a home.. when electrical work is performed.. we inspect homes for all sorts of reasons and no one complains then their rights are gone or they are being treated as convicted felons. To enforce your idea the police would have to be able to inspect without notice any time they wanted and it would have to be a search not just a check to see if you hsd the safe. They would have to search any place you might have a gun. As a member of the BDSM community I would think you would see the problem.

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