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The new compromise policy in the US. - 12/15/2012 10:46:57 PM

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Okay, in two gun control threads on this board, the attitude in Congress by both Democrats and Republicans, basically every group with an agenda from gun control to the environment to the federal budget.

I have come to the conclusion that this country is going down the toilet. And it is not the fault of the Republicans or the Democrats.

It seems to be the majority of people in this country if they news and posts on this board is any indication.

It boils down to one phrase,

It is either my way or the highway, if you dont like it, fuck off.

And god help the person or persons that suggest a compromise. Judas Iscariot and Benedict Arnold and the anti Christ would be treated with a better attitude.

The people offering a compromise are attacked from the side they support for being traitors to the cause, and the people on the other side act like you are too fucking dumb to come in out of a hail storm.

On gun control, I own two pieces of property, one very remote.

IF the federal government passes any bill that restricts or eliminates my right to own any gun that I chose, I am loading my SUV with my dogs, guns and ammo, and bugging out for the hills.

When they finally track my ass down to take any or all of my guns away from me, it is gonna have to wait till I use up every round for every gun trying to discourage the FASCIST bastards from taking my guns. Considering my profiiciency with firearms and the fact I have kept my military sniper skills up, the body count is going to be high. I will save the seven rounds in my 1911 colt 45 for my six dogs then myself.

If a Muslim can be a martyr for their cause then so can I.

And I probably wont be the only one.

In other words, forget compromise, I want every gun control law ever passed at the state and federal level repealed. I want to be able to go into any Walmart and buy a full auto assault weapon just for the hell of it.

My message to Congress about the budget. Dont compromise, let the budget go over the fiscal cliff. Let the national economy go down the toilet, who cares, it aint you guys that are going to suffer, let the citizens of the lower middle class and low income swing in the wind.

On the subject of mental health. The system the government has going on now seems to make them happy, why change it.

On the taxes for the wealthy, mr. President, push for a flat 50% tax rate. they can afford it.

On the environment, outlaw the use of fossil fuels for anything. Build more nuclear power plants, cover the country with wind farms. Outlaw internal combustion engines, it is will be electric, hydrogen power cell, bicycle, horse or walking for transportation.

On health care, eliminate health care for everybody. No medicare, medicaid, private insurance, nothing.

on education, cut defense spending by half and use that money to fund every school and college in the country. Eliminate state departments of education, and private schools.

Everyone that agrees with this position stand up and be counted.

Every one else can kiss my ass.

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RE: The new compromise policy in the US. - 12/15/2012 11:06:30 PM

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I have been awake since about 10AM central time friday, and have been following the news on the tragedy this country suffered at the hands of one lone unstable individual.

It is 2:11 sunday morning.

I and my family have proudly served this country since the revolution.

My grandfather died in 1953, but he was actually killed near Bastogne in December 1944 while serving Patton's third army. He was medically discharged in 1944 and the chunk of German bullet moved and punched a hole in his heart.

He enlisted in Asheville NC on Dec 8,1941.

I earned a purple heart on Grenada in 1983 and lost my best friend on the same day, I had known him for 12 years, we enlisted together.

Now thanks to one lone unstable man, there are people on these boards and in this country that would like to restrict or eliminate one of my rights.

If that happens, all those people would have gotten the better end of my service, me and every son of a bitch that ever wore a uniform are gonna get screwed.

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RE: The new compromise policy in the US. - 12/16/2012 12:42:15 AM

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I ain't so sure about cutting the defense spending - but I do wish to be counted.

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RE: The new compromise policy in the US. - 12/16/2012 12:56:54 AM

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The US as a country had great success in the past. It was based on the constitution, civil liberties, and individualism. Now when the Constitution is considered irrelevant, individual liberties have been severely restricted, individualism actually makes the population impotent against the government corruption. Giving the government more money in form of higher taxes would do no good. Then the only hope for an individual would be to get some government job, the rest would be sitting idle unemployed, or suffering as "working poor". The government serves the Global Financial Empire and the multinational corporations. The people at the highest level will not pay any taxes regardless what laws will be passed. The national defense budget (actually offense mostly ) is a scam; the second strongest military China defense budget is 5 times less [how many countries China has invaded in last 10,000 years anyway?], and the third Russia has ten times less military spending.

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RE: The new compromise policy in the US. - 12/16/2012 1:06:14 AM

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Ah, that's a shame. You were one of the few gun-owners here actually advocating for greater levels of control. I liked that, it seemed rational.

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RE: The new compromise policy in the US. - 12/16/2012 3:10:50 AM

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Ah, that's a shame. You were one of the few gun-owners here actually advocating for greater levels of control. I liked that, it seemed rational.

Look at the other thread I started.

As for this one, too many anti gun people are actually proposing plans that would, in my opinion, seriously infringe on my rights under the second amendment.

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RE: The new compromise policy in the US. - 12/16/2012 3:43:33 AM

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I would dearly love to see gun control. However, I would only support legislation that:

1. Actually worked in reducing gun-related crime, and
2. Did not contradict the Second Amendment.

I haven't seen anything proposed that met #1, let alone #2.

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RE: The new compromise policy in the US. - 12/16/2012 6:08:38 AM

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I would dearly love to see gun control. However, I would only support legislation that:

1. Actually worked in reducing gun-related crime, and
2. Did not contradict the Second Amendment.

I haven't seen anything proposed that met #1, let alone #2.

I repeatedly posted the idea that I have had for some time in the gun control threads, which includes a mandatory Psychological evaluation before the a purchase of a gun of any type could be made, along with strict criminal liabilities such as being charged with accessory to a crime committed using a stolen gun that was not reported to the police OR the use of a poorly secured firearm that was used in the commission of a mass shooting by a child of a gun owner in situations like Columbine.

Forget civil liabilities, if they are that irresponsible throw the person in jail. They should not have owned a gun in the first place.

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RE: The new compromise policy in the US. - 12/16/2012 6:15:34 AM

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Funny how every time there is a tragedy of this nature, some folks can't wait to punish the innocent for it.

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RE: The new compromise policy in the US. - 12/16/2012 6:17:40 AM

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Guns will never ever be eradicated but if Joe Public doesn't have them as a matter of course, gun related crimes will plummet.
You want a statistic for that premise?

From the BBC news last night -
A decade ago, 60% of US citizens legally owned a gun.
Today, just under 33% still own a gun.
Gun related crimes in the US have, in general, fallen by 40%.
The figures speak for themselves.

And, if I can remember the quote correctly that was cited on the BBC news last night from a US gun law specialist -
"Those that advocate the ownership or carry guns, when faced with a situation that we had on Friday, the chances of having your gun out, loaded, ready and aimed at the shooter at the point they make their entry into the room is even less than the chances of winning the National Lottery. In that event, gun ownership, even if kept loaded and handy, is just as ineffective as not having a gun and would not have stopped the killer".

I think those comments just about wipe out any notion that owning a gun is a necessity.
That also makes the 2nd a redundant peice of legislation and could be removed completely.

You talk about freedoms and rights.
You want the freedom and right to own guns.
I would like my US friends to have the right to walk down the street and not be in fear of being shot at and getting killed.
I would also like my US friends to be able to leave their kids at kindergarden and school without the fears that they might be shot and killed.
I'd like them to be able to go shopping in malls without having to constantly look over their shoulders.

Gangs could be rounded up at regular intervals and all guns and narcotics confiscated.

Sure, there will always be illegal guns, in much the same way as there are illegal drugs.
But if you weren't allowed to have them in the first place, being caught with a gun would mean instant jail whether you'd used it or not.
Just like here, being caught with even the smallest amount of drugs gets you a minimum of 6 months inside.

The UK was no different is that regard until 1920 when we changed our gun ownership laws.
Those that owned guns kicked up about eroding personal rights and freedoms just like you NRA followers in the US.
Our government repealed the laws and by 1997 all civilians were required to hand in their weapons.
Now, in the UK, parents don't think about their kids being gunned down in nursery schools or schools and colleges.
None of us go shopping with thoughts that there might be a shooter lurking.
We can usually go walking at night without fear of being killed and certainly won't get shot at.
The relief of not having those fears in everyday life for the vast majority was well worth having the right to have guns removed.

Our schools don't need super-tight security measures. In fact, most schools don't even have anyone at the school gates and they don't have buzz-in gates either - they are mostly just open gates.
Our shopping centres and malls have very little, if any, security; and none of them are armed.
Heck, even our police on the streets aren't usually armed!

I think that if a load of pro-gun lobbyists lived here for a while and actually appreciated the fact that our populace don't have guns, not even in the home, and the feeling of freedom that it brings, they might take a different view on guns in general.

The problem, as I see it, is that you have been brought up with guns in much the same way as washing machines, cars, TV's etc, and you just can't envisage a life without them. All I can say is that it is perfectly possible, and arguably better, for life without guns.

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RE: The new compromise policy in the US. - 12/16/2012 6:21:04 AM

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quote:

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I would dearly love to see gun control. However, I would only support legislation that:

1. Actually worked in reducing gun-related crime, and
2. Did not contradict the Second Amendment.

I haven't seen anything proposed that met #1, let alone #2.

I repeatedly posted the idea that I have had for some time in the gun control threads, which includes a mandatory Psychological evaluation before the a purchase of a gun of any type could be made, along with strict criminal liabilities such as being charged with accessory to a crime committed using a stolen gun that was not reported to the police OR the use of a poorly secured firearm that was used in the commission of a mass shooting by a child of a gun owner in situations like Columbine.

Forget civil liabilities, if they are that irresponsible throw the person in jail. They should not have owned a gun in the first place.

There are a couple huge holes in your remedy, since many people INHERIT or BARTER for guns so there is no "purchase" ...and most of these mass shootings involve the killer shooting HIMSELF...or forcing a standoff where police are forced to shoot HIM. (obviously these guys are suicidal to begin with and just plan to take others out when they go)

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