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Hillwilliam -> RE: Call me crazy (12/17/2012 4:52:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead Do you have any angle on my own suspicion that this isn't much of an excuse when you look at the idiots who've been kicking off lately? I repeat my point that they don't look like the sort of people who shop in the "new age" section in Borders, and they probably don't carry any of that stuff in Wal Mart in the first place. They don't have to shop in a new age section. Have you watched the history channel lately? It's nothing but end of the world crap combined with "ancient astronauts". Same with any so called 'news channel' To someone who has a light connection to reality, is this a triggering event? As for looks like they shop in the new age section of borders, what do those folk look like exactly? If you look at that crazy fuck who shot up a movie theater a coupla months ago, would he look out of place there? Would the guy who killed the school kids look out of place in a book store? I havent seen a picture of the guy who was shooting a gun in a mall parking lot last weekend but same thing. What do crazy people look like exactly? maybe if you can come up with a metric, you can save hundreds of lives and billions of dollars a year.[8\|]

Moonhead -> RE: Call me crazy (12/17/2012 4:53:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Gotta wonder if he says that about others. Me? Hill? Somebody else who posted before I did? Not sure what you're getting at with that one...

Hillwilliam -> RE: Call me crazy (12/17/2012 4:55:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam quote: ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies well it's either true or it's not so you are either serious or not, which is it? If it's not true as would appear to be the case then my comment about misjudged humour stands Go back and READ the original post. Here is my question. I will type it slowly so you can understand. Do you feel that the MEDIA ATTENTION to the so called apocalypse (which I don't believe in) has possibly triggered some of these crazy people to violent acts? This is my serious question. Was this clear or should I go to words of 2 syllables or less? so it was a serious question, interesting. Guess we have to be really careful not to rile those crazy gun owners up dont we? Do you have an answer to the question or are you just trolling?

Moonhead -> RE: Call me crazy (12/17/2012 5:00:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead Do you have any angle on my own suspicion that this isn't much of an excuse when you look at the idiots who've been kicking off lately? I repeat my point that they don't look like the sort of people who shop in the "new age" section in Borders, and they probably don't carry any of that stuff in Wal Mart in the first place. They don't have to shop in a new age section. Have you watched the history channel lately? It's nothing but end of the world crap combined with "ancient astronauts". Same with any so called 'news channel' To someone who has a light connection to reality, is this a triggering event? Cool. If triggering events are an excuse, maybe the next time somebody abducts a series of strangers and tortures them to death, we can let them go and blub their eyes out on Oprah and give them a book deal while we put Thomas Harris on death row instead: they'd never be a serial killer if they hadn't seen those films with Anthony Hopkins when they were a kid, after all. quote: As for looks like they shop in the new age section of borders, what do those folk look like exactly? If you look at that crazy fuck who shot up a movie theater a coupla months ago, would he look out of place there? Would the guy who killed the school kids look out of place in a book store? I havent seen a picture of the guy who was shooting a gun in a mall parking lot last weekend but same thing. What do crazy people look like exactly? maybe if you can come up with a metric, you can save hundreds of lives and billions of dollars a year.[8\|] Given it's a long time since I was looking for Crowley and Fortune reprints and the Simonomicon in there, I have no idea. If memory serves though, I'd be a lot more worried about gothy looking sorts or anybody in an AC/DC t shirt. Or rather, as evidence seems thin on the ground about anybody who dresses like that actually shooting somebody, rather than failing to put a curse on their adversaries from their mum's loft, I wouldn't.

deathtothepixies -> RE: Call me crazy (12/17/2012 5:01:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam quote: ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam quote: ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies well it's either true or it's not so you are either serious or not, which is it? If it's not true as would appear to be the case then my comment about misjudged humour stands Go back and READ the original post. Here is my question. I will type it slowly so you can understand. Do you feel that the MEDIA ATTENTION to the so called apocalypse (which I don't believe in) has possibly triggered some of these crazy people to violent acts? This is my serious question. Was this clear or should I go to words of 2 syllables or less? so it was a serious question, interesting. Guess we have to be really careful not to rile those crazy gun owners up dont we? Do you have an answer to the question or are you just trolling? the answer is no,, and my first response was supposed to point out the ridiculousness of the question in the first place, bye

kalikshama -> RE: Call me crazy (12/17/2012 5:02:05 PM)
quote: https://fetlife.com/events/19779 What's with all the people who RSVPd Maybe Going???

Hillwilliam -> RE: Call me crazy (12/17/2012 5:02:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kalikshama quote: https://fetlife.com/events/19779 What's with all the people who RSVPd Maybe Going??? I wondered about that.

Hillwilliam -> RE: Call me crazy (12/17/2012 5:03:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam Do you have an answer to the question or are you just trolling? the answer is no,, and my first response was supposed to point out the ridiculousness of the question in the first place, bye If your only purpose in answering a thread is to troll, you can save a lot of embarassment by not bothering in the first place. We're not nice people in the basement.

Hillwilliam -> RE: Call me crazy (12/17/2012 5:09:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead Do you have any angle on my own suspicion that this isn't much of an excuse when you look at the idiots who've been kicking off lately? I repeat my point that they don't look like the sort of people who shop in the "new age" section in Borders, and they probably don't carry any of that stuff in Wal Mart in the first place. They don't have to shop in a new age section. Have you watched the history channel lately? It's nothing but end of the world crap combined with "ancient astronauts". Same with any so called 'news channel' To someone who has a light connection to reality, is this a triggering event? Cool. If triggering events are an excuse, maybe the next time somebody abducts a series of strangers and tortures them to death, we can let them go and blub their eyes out on Oprah and give them a book deal while we put Thomas Harris on death row instead: they'd never be a serial killer if they hadn't seen those films with Anthony Hopkins when they were a kid, after all. quote: As for looks like they shop in the new age section of borders, what do those folk look like exactly? If you look at that crazy fuck who shot up a movie theater a coupla months ago, would he look out of place there? Would the guy who killed the school kids look out of place in a book store? I havent seen a picture of the guy who was shooting a gun in a mall parking lot last weekend but same thing. What do crazy people look like exactly? maybe if you can come up with a metric, you can save hundreds of lives and billions of dollars a year.[8\|] Given it's a long time since I was looking for Crowley and Fortune reprints and the Simonomicon in there, I have no idea. If memory serves though, I'd be a lot more worried about gothy looking sorts or anybody in an AC/DC t shirt. Or rather, as evidence seems thin on the ground about anybody who dresses like that actually shooting somebody, rather than failing to put a curse on their adversaries from their mum's loft, I wouldn't. My point exactly. You don't know what crazy people look like. Some of the most notorious and deranged serial killers have been described as "handsome" and "charming". A woman who escaped him described Ted Bundy with exactly those words. My question is this. "What sets these fuckers off?" Something is apparently doing it.

Moonhead -> RE: Call me crazy (12/17/2012 5:12:14 PM)
Are you sure? If something has set them off, then it's an external factor, which could be used to exonerate them. I prefer to think that it's something internal that's bubbled up to the surface, myself.

Hillwilliam -> RE: Call me crazy (12/17/2012 5:18:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead Are you sure? If something has set them off, then it's an external factor, which could be used to exonerate them. I prefer to think that it's something internal that's bubbled up to the surface, myself. I don't think it could be used to exonerate them. For instance. If someone calls me an asshole and I punch them in the face, that was what set me off. I'm still going to jail. If I tell a judge, "He called me an asshole and that caused temporary insanity" he's gonna laugh at me. The basis of an insanity defense is "Was this person capable of knowing the difference between right and wrong at the time of the crime". Whether or not there was a 'trigger' doesn't exonerate them.

jlf1961 -> RE: Call me crazy (12/17/2012 5:23:58 PM)
I have asked the same question in three fucking threads, and no one has bothered to come up with a reason, good, bad and just plain stupid. I pointed out that from Columbine to untill 2011, the average was 2, two mass shootings a year. 16 have happened this year leaving 88 dead and I am not sure that even counts the dead from friday.

LookieNoNookie -> RE: Call me crazy (12/17/2012 5:45:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Its the last Monday we will ever see. Not sure if that means I should be happy or sad. I'll be here next Monday. I'd like a list of everyone in the Seattle area please, that has a 60 inch LCD screen or larger. Leave the door unlocked.

tazzygirl -> RE: Call me crazy (12/17/2012 5:52:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Gotta wonder if he says that about others. Me? Hill? Somebody else who posted before I did? Not sure what you're getting at with that one... The one who said he cant tell them apart. [:D]

Moonhead -> RE: Call me crazy (12/17/2012 5:59:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead Are you sure? If something has set them off, then it's an external factor, which could be used to exonerate them. I prefer to think that it's something internal that's bubbled up to the surface, myself. I don't think it could be used to exonerate them. For instance. If someone calls me an asshole and I punch them in the face, that was what set me off. I'm still going to jail. If I tell a judge, "He called me an asshole and that caused temporary insanity" he's gonna laugh at me. The basis of an insanity defense is "Was this person capable of knowing the difference between right and wrong at the time of the crime". Whether or not there was a 'trigger' doesn't exonerate them. I'm thinking more of weaseling out of accepting responsibilities for one's own actions, rather than a legal defence, to be honest. The sort of bullshit victim whining wrapped up in false contrition that's been getting horribly prevalent over the last two or three decades...

Hillwilliam -> RE: Call me crazy (12/17/2012 7:57:50 PM)
Ok, that works. It doesnt work in court tho.

Aswad -> RE: Call me crazy (12/18/2012 2:35:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam This is my serious question. Much like the ingroup/outgroup thing, extremism often relies heavily on the perception of a society on the brink (have a look at some of the lamentations in the post-Connecticut threads, then consider that we have less violence than ever), and the need to act now to save it (have a look at the gun control threads), and a silencing of the voices of reason (have a look at any thread where some of us want to look into things in more detail and ponder it before committing to any decisions). So, yeah, it plays into it, I suppose, but the real crazies are triggered by stress. Me, I'm guessing we'll see one or two major killings come the day, and a lot of long faces the next day. quote: Was this clear or should I go to words of 2 syllables or less? Polysyllables have the advantage that monosyllablophiles are less likely to misunderstand partially. Complete misunderstanding or simply not getting it are both easier to correct. IWYW, — Aswad.

Zonie63 -> RE: Call me crazy (12/18/2012 4:33:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam Like some of you folks havent been doing that for years.[8D] What the hell is making all the crazies come out and be so destructive in the past few months? They've always been there. Something seems to have pushed them over the edge. I'm going to polish off my tinfoil hat here and posit an hypothesis. The Mayan Prophesy. I'm not saying it's true. I'm saying that all the attention that has been given to it has a special attraction for the unbalanced. They see the world ending and want to go out in a blaze of glory or they want to make sure that some folks are spared the 'inevitable suffering' that will happen friday. Kind of a Martyr Complex as it were. Thoughts? I suppose it's possible, but trying to put myself in a position of someone who believes in prophecy (and presumably believes in God(s) and an Afterlife of some sort), I would think one would want to put one's final affairs in order and try to do what's right by their own particular Higher Power. That is, if one truly believed that the world was coming to an end. One might commit suicide or become a survivalist if one believes the end is near (and there's quite a few of those around), but how that can turn into a desire to violently lash out at innocents is hard to make a connection. I read that Lanza's mother was a survivalist and would take her sons out shooting all the time, so if one's mind is already deluded and addled in that way, then I suppose anything might be possible. It could take all kinds of unexpected turns. As for why this seems to be happening with greater frequency recently, I can't really be sure. Perhaps there's a growing sense of hopelessness and helplessness in society, combined with a generally cold-blooded, angry culture with a lot of dissension and negative rhetoric in the air recently. And those in dysfunctional families raised by parents who were pretty fucked up to begin with - it might be the right mix to push those already close to the edge right into the abyss. There are a lot of people who just can't cope. I occasionally visit a forum called the Suicide Forum, and those posting there are in deeply serious crisis situations. It's sad to consider just how many people are that close to the edge, especially younger people who feel they have absolutely nothing to look forward to in life. But what I observe in that is that for each person who cracks up and goes murderously insane, there are countless more who are struggling to keep their sanity - or at least some semblance of it. It's not easy, and it might just take the right set of circumstances to set someone off. You just never know. That's the real scary part. Maybe the belief that the world is coming to an end might be a contributing factor - "just another brick in the wall," as the song goes. Maybe they believe that the world should come to an end. That's what seems to be an underlying in a lot of these prophecies and those who believe in them. It's not that they believe the world will end, but they hope that it does, and some get impatient and seem to want to hurry the process along. I don't know if that had anything to do with the recent tragedy, although I'm sure we'll be getting more information on the mind of this maniac in the weeks to come.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Call me crazy (12/18/2012 6:29:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Zonie63 As for why this seems to be happening with greater frequency recently, I can't really be sure. Perhaps there's a growing sense of hopelessness and helplessness in society, combined with a generally cold-blooded, angry culture with a lot of dissension and negative rhetoric in the air recently. And those in dysfunctional families raised by parents who were pretty fucked up to begin with - it might be the right mix to push those already close to the edge right into the abyss. If ever there was a time to legalize pot...

Owner59 -> RE: Call me crazy (12/18/2012 7:22:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam Like some of you folks havent been doing that for years.[8D] What the hell is making all the crazies come out and be so destructive in the past few months? They've always been there. Something seems to have pushed them over the edge. I'm going to polish off my tinfoil hat here and posit an hypothesis. The Mayan Prophesy. I'm not saying it's true. I'm saying that all the attention that has been given to it has a special attraction for the unbalanced. They see the world ending and want to go out in a blaze of glory or they want to make sure that some folks are spared the 'inevitable suffering' that will happen friday. Kind of a Martyr Complex as it were. Thoughts? When normal folks hear the nutter-speak about how America is dying,going communist,lead by a someone who loves our enemies,that the economy will fall further,death-panels,FEMA concentration/re-education camps,ect.,etc.,etc.....they take it with a grain of salt,knowing the source is full of shit. But, some folks actually believed the hype. And truly believed the doom and gloomers. "We`re doomed","RIP American","it`s over" and other similarly silly stuff is pounded over and over by con leaders and con media. Plus the more gullible(most of them) believed the skewed polling and really expected a mitt-victory.So confident in winning that he bragged about not writing a concession speech. This last election not only reaffirmed that they were truly losers in '08' but were also rejected by America, in Nov. '2012'.No one ever accused the republicans of acting like adults so getting the boot is making cry-babies of quite a few. There are also some cons who just plain lose poorly(rich).We all recall the odd.over-reaction after the '08' election. This last election not only reaffirmed that his1st term wasn`t a fluke but that the GOP/conservative agenda was also rejected by America. No one wants the cons to "save us" from Obamacare or gay marriage or whatever. Just before the 1st debate,the republicans were completely demoralized and glum.The polls showed it(even tho the cons said publicly they were biased polls). Ben Stein,one of the most rabid and partisan cons,wrote an ugly-assed Op/Ed about Mitt and Mormonism.Coming from the producer of that sham,fake-science movie "expelled", saying that creationism is scientific,Stein dissing Mitt for his religion must have been a truly unkind cut. http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1012/81907.html The cons had just about given up.Jeeze....just look at their "anyone but Mitt" primary. Then the 1st debate woke up the base.All of a sudden there was a race again and the cons quickly switched from whining that the wibawool media were skewing the polls.....to quoting and touting the polls..... But alas......the were still left with Mitt and he never did seem to say anything relevant or believable....now that folks were paying attention. There`s a hundred other ramifications from the election that are bad for the republicans,from acknowledging their responsibility and ownership for bush`s recession to their almost complete mishandling of foreign affairs. It`s a lot to take.Not only all of the last election`s hard feelings......but yet another rejection and the demoralization it causes.

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