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US supporting freedom and democracy? US against terrorism? - 12/19/2012 5:13:38 PM   
ermood


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Status: offline 		The US always said that its supporting freedom and democracy and that its against terrorism, but facts tell different...

A list of countries in wich the US wanted to overthrow the gouverment (in some cases they succeded)

* = US succeeded in overthrowing the gouverment.

-Africa-
Egypt 1957
Congo 1960*
Ghana 1966*
Angola 1975
Angola 1980
Zaire 1975
Seychelles 1979-1981
Chad 1981-1982*
Libya 1980
Somalia 1993
Sudan 1993-1998
Eritrea 1998-2000


-Asia-
China 1949-1950
Indonesia 1957-1958
North Vietnam 1945-1973
Cambodia 1955-1970*
Laos 1958-1960*
Indonesia 1965*



-Europe-
East Germany 1950
Albania 1949-1953
France 1965
Greece 1967*
Portugal 1974-1976*
Bulgaria 1990*
Albania 1991*
Yugoslavia 1999


-Oceania-
Australia 1973-1975*
Fiji 1987*



-Middle East-
Iran 1953*
Syria 1956-1957
Iraq 1963*
South Yemen 1982-1984
Iraq 1991
Afghanistan 1980*
Afghanistan 2001*
Iraq 2003*
Iran 1979
Syria 2011-today


-South America-
IrBritish Guiana 1953-1964*
Ecuador 1960-1963*
Brazil 1962-1964*
Bolivia 1964*
Chile 1964-1973*
Bolivia 1971*
Suriname 1982-1984
Ecuador 2000*
Venezuela 2002*



-Mid America-
Guatemala 1954*
Costa Rica 1950
Dominican Republic 1963*
Cuba 1959-today
Costa Rica 1970-1971
Jamaica 1976-1980*
Grenada 1983*
Nicaragua 1981-1990*
Panama 1989*
Haiti 2004*



A list of all kinds of Wrong dictators/Kings/Presidents and Prime Ministers that where supported by the US

*Africa*
Mobutu Sese Seko Dictator of Zaire 1965-1997
Mohammed Siad Barre Military Dictator/President of Nigeria 1985-1993
GEN. Sani Abacha Dictator of Nigeria 1993-1998
Hastings Kamuzu Banda Dictator of Malawi 1966-1994
Laurent-Désiré Kabila President/Dictator of the Democratic Republic of the Congo 1997-2001
Gnassingbe Etienne Eyadema Dictator of Togo 1967-2005
Felix Houphouet-Boigny Dictator/President of the Ivory Coast 1960-1993
Hassan II King of Morocco 1961-1999
Teodoro Obiang Nguema Mbasogo President/Dictator of Equatorial Guinea 1979-present
Zine El Abidine Ben Ali President-Prime Minister/Dictator of Tunisia 1987-2011
Anwar El-Sadat President/Dictator of Egypt 1970-1981
Hosni Mubarak President/Dictator of Egypt 1981-2011
Ian Smith Prime Minister of Rhodesia (white minority regime) 1965-1979
Pieter Willem Botha Prime Minister of South Africa (white minority regime) 1978-1984, President 1984-1989
Daniel Arap Moi President/Dictator of Kenya 1978-2002
Haile Selassie (RAS TAFARI) Emperor of Ethiopia 1928-1974
William J. S. Tubman President/Dictator of Liberia 1944-1971
Samuel Kanyon Doe Dictator of Liberia 1980-1990

*Asia*
Mohamed Suharto Dictator of Indonesia 1966-1998
Ngo Dinh Diem President/Dictator of South Vietnam 1955-1963
GEN. Nguyen Khanh Dictator of South Vietnam 1964-1965
Nguyen Cao Ky Dictator of South Vietnam 1965-1967
GEN. Nguyen Van Thieu President/Dictator of South Vietnam 1967-1975
Tran Thiem Khiem Prime Minister of South Vietnam 1969-75
Bao Dai Emperor of Vietnam 1926-1945, chief of state 1949-1955
Lee Kuan Yew Prime Minister/Dictator of Singapore 1959-1990
Emomali Rahmonov President/Dictator of Tajikistan 1992-present
Nursultan Nazarbayev President of Kazakhstan 1990-present
Islam A. Karimov President/Dictator of Uzbekistan 1990-present
Saparmurad Atayevich Niyazov President/Dictator of Turkmenistan 1990-2006
Marshal Luang Pibul Songgram Dictator of Thailand 1948-1957
Field Marshal Thanom Kittikachron Prime Minister/Dictator of Thailand 1957-58, 1963-1973
Chiang Kai-Shek President/Dictator (Nationalist) of China 1928-1949 and President/Dictator of Taiwan 1949-1975
Chiang Ching-Kuo President/Dicator of Taiwan 1978-1988; Prime Minister 1972-1978
Deng Xiaoping De facto ruler of China from circa 1978 to the early 1990s
Ferdinand Marcos President/Dictator of the Philippines 1965-1986
Syngman Rhee President/Dictator of South Korea 1948-1960
GEN. Park Chung Hee President/Dictator of South Korea 1962-1979
GEN. Chun Doo Hwan President/Dictator of South Korea 1980-1988
Sir Muda Hassanal Bolkiah Sultan of Brunei 1967-present
GEN. Lon Nol Prime Minister/Dictator of Cambodia 1970-1975
Pol Pot Dictator of Cambodia 1975-1979
MAJ. GEN. Sitiveni Rabuka Dictator of Fiji 1987-1999
Askar Akayev President of Kyrgyzstan 10/27/1990-2005

*Europe*
Francisco Franco Dictator of Spain 1939-1975
Antonio Salazar De Oliveira Dictator of Portugal 1928-1968
COL. Georgios Papadopoulos Prime Minister/President/Dictator of Greece 1967-1973

*Latin America*
Anastasio Somoza Garcia Dictator of Nicaragua 1937-1947, 1950-1956
Anastasio "Tachito" Somoza Debayle Dictator of Nicaragua 1967-1972, 1974-1979
Manuel Estrada Cabrera Dictator of Guatemala 1898-1920
GEN. Jorge Ubico Castaneda Dictator of Guatemala 1931-1944
COL. Carlos Enrique Castillo Armas Dictator of Guatemala 1954-1957
GEN. Jose Miguel Ydigoras Fuentes President/Dictator of Guatemala 1958-1963
COL. Enrique Peralta Azurdia Military Junta, Guatemala 1963-1966
COL. Carlos Arana Osorio Dictator of Guatemala 1970-1974
GEN. Fernando Romeo Lucas Garcia Dictator of Guatemala 1978-1982
GEN. Jose Efrain Rios Montt Dictator of Guatemala 1982-1983
Marco Vinicio Cerezo Arévelo President/Dictator of Guatemala 1986-1991
Maximiliano Hernandez Martinez Dictator of El Salvador 1931-1944
COL. Osmin Aguirre Y Salines Dictator of El Salvador 1944-1945 and CIVILIAN-MILITARY JUNTA, EL SALVADOR 1961-1962
COL. Arturo Armando Molina Barraza Dictator of El Salvador 1972-1977 and JUNTA, EL SALVADOR 1979-1982
Alfredo Félix Cristiani Burkard President/Dictator of El Salvador 1989-1994
Tiburcio Carias Andino Dictator of Honduras 1932-1948
COL. Oswaldo Lopez Arellano Dictator of Honduras 1963-1975
Roberto Suazo Cordova President/Dictator of Honduras 1982-1986
GEN. Omar Herrera-Torrijos Dictator of Panama 1969-1981
GEN. Manuel Antonio Morena Noriega Dictator of Panama 1982-1989
Augusto Pinochet Ugarte Dictator of Chile 1973-1990
GEN. Jorge Rafael Videla Dictator of Argentina 1976-1981
COL. Marcos Perez Jimenez Dictator of Venezuela 1950-1958
GEN. Alfredo Stroessner Dictator of Paraguay 1954-1989
Alberto Fujimori Dictator of Peru 1990-2000
Francois "Papa Doc" Duvalier Dictator of Haiti 1957-1971
Jean-Claude "Baby Doc" Duvalier Dictator of Haiti 1971-1986
GEN. Rene Barrientos Ortuno President/Dictator of Bolivia 1964-1969
GEN. Hugo Banzer Suarez Dictator of Bolivia 1971-1978
DR. Getulio Vargas Dictator of Brazil 1930-1945, 1951-1954
GEN. Humberto De Alencar Castello Branco Dictator of Brazil 1964-1967
Carlos Prio Socarras Dictator of Cuba 1948-1952
Fulgencio Batista Dictator of Cuba 1933-44, 1952-1959
Gerardo Machado Morales Dictator of Cuba 1925-1933
Rafael Leonidas Trujillo Dictator of the Dominican Republic 1930-1961

*Middle East*
Mohammed Reza Pahlavi Shah of Iran 1941-1979
Saddam Hussein Dictator of Iraq 1969 (1979)-2003
GEN. Mohammed Ayub Khan President/Dictator of Pakistan 1958-1969
GEN. Agha Muhammed Yahya Khan President/Dictator of Pakistan 1969-1971
GEN. Mohammed Zia Ul-Haq President/Dictator of Pakistan 1977-1988
Pervez Musharraf Dictator of Pakistan 1999-2008
Abdul Ibn Hussein I King of Jordan 1952-1999
Turgut Özal Prime Minister of Turkey 1983-1989, President 1989-1993
Sheik Jabir Al-Ahmad Al Sabah Emir of Kuwait 1977-2006 and Prime Minister of Kuwait 1962-1963, 1965-1978
Fahd Ibn Abdul-Aziz Al Saud King and Prime Minister of Saudi Arabia 1982-2005





And lets take a look at terrorism...

Take Al-Qaeda: US supported them in Afghanistan agains the SU (after that they named themselfs officially Al-Qaeda)
Then they "fought" them in Afghanistan, wich eventually only made them bigger and stronger becouse the US killed thousends of innocent people.
Now the US is back supporting them in Syria.

Whats up with that?

There are lots of examples like this one, in the long term its just a fact that the US supported/supports them... with or without "fighting" them.





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RE: US supporting freedom and democracy? US against ter... - 12/19/2012 5:22:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yep, we are the greatest supporter of terrorism on the planet...but those are brown and yellow people dont you know we just lost 20 white ones? Pull your shit together and focus on what matters dammit!!!!


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RE: US supporting freedom and democracy? US against ter... - 12/19/2012 5:27:22 PM   
ermood


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but those are brown and yellow people dont you know we just lost 20 white ones?


What do you mean with this?

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RE: US supporting freedom and democracy? US against ter... - 12/19/2012 5:37:17 PM   
SimplyMichael


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ORIGINAL: ermood

It does matter;)

quote:

but those are brown and yellow people dont you know we just lost 20 white ones?


What do you mean with this?


Google sarcasm and irony.

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RE: US supporting freedom and democracy? US against ter... - 12/19/2012 5:55:30 PM   
ermood


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RE: US supporting freedom and democracy? US against ter... - 12/19/2012 7:20:51 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ermood

google "someone's english is not great so i need to write it properly so he can understand it..." ;)



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RE: US supporting freedom and democracy? US against ter... - 12/19/2012 10:10:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		The more powerful a country, the more it condemns terrorism while the more it supports terrorism, simply because it labels anything against its own interest as terrorism, which is really other countries acting as sovereign nations. This is nothing unique to the USA, the USA just happens to be the most powerful country at the moment. In another 30 years it will probably be China.

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RE: US supporting freedom and democracy? US against ter... - 12/19/2012 10:20:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: meatcleaver

The more powerful a country, the more it condemns terrorism while the more it supports terrorism, simply because it labels anything against its own interest as terrorism, which is really other countries acting as sovereign nations. This is nothing unique to the USA, the USA just happens to be the most powerful country at the moment. In another 30 years it will probably be China.



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RE: US supporting freedom and democracy? US against ter... - 12/19/2012 10:29:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yup. It makes one wonder what 'American Exceptionalism' is all about. Does it refer to being exceptionally well resourced and efficient terrorists? Somehow I don't think so but it would have the merit of at least being accurate if it did.

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RE: US supporting freedom and democracy? US against ter... - 12/20/2012 1:04:36 AM   
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No. It apparently is intended to mean that the US originated and came up with this whole concept all on its own, and is the worst offender in all of history..

Citizens of kingdom and commonwealth countries tell us this all the time. It must be true.


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RE: US supporting freedom and democracy? US against ter... - 12/20/2012 2:51:00 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Edwynn


No. It apparently is intended to mean that the US originated and came up with this whole concept all on its own, and is the worst offender in all of history..

Citizens of kingdom and commonwealth countries tell us this all the time. It must be true.




Awww geee! I wouldn't say the the US offender is quite "the worst offender in all history". More like the most powerful and destructive one at this particular point in history.

Citizens of Republics tell you that all the time too .... don't you listen to them?

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RE: US supporting freedom and democracy? US against ter... - 12/20/2012 3:40:48 AM   
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What I take as complete lack of originality others take as none of this ever happening before the US did it.

But maybe you take it differently.





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RE: US supporting freedom and democracy? US against ter... - 12/20/2012 4:09:47 AM   
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ORIGINAL: ermood


-Africa-
Egypt 1957
Congo 1960*
Ghana 1966*
Angola 1975
Angola 1980
Zaire 1975
Seychelles 1979-1981
Chad 1981-1982*
Libya 1980
Somalia 1993
Sudan 1993-1998
Eritrea 1998-2000


-Asia-
China 1949-1950
Indonesia 1957-1958
North Vietnam 1945-1973
Cambodia 1955-1970*
Laos 1958-1960*
Indonesia 1965*



-Europe-
East Germany 1950
Albania 1949-1953
France 1965
Greece 1967*
Portugal 1974-1976*
Bulgaria 1990*
Albania 1991*
Yugoslavia 1999

...

Etc.



I appreciate the great effort and fortitude that it must have taken to hit the "copy" function in one instance, and then the phenomenal courage it must have involved in clicking the "paste" function sometime after. What a great amount of personal effort and research, not to mention unwavering resolve, went into all that, as witnessed by your detailed account and explication of every instance cited.

Nor had any of us known before that the UK, Spain, France, Russia, Korea, Colombia, China, Vietnam, Cambodia, et al. never had anything themselves to do with what you copy/pasted.

I'm sure you yourself have vetted and verified the assertions in each and every instance, to some modicum of actual understanding of each particular history.


In any event, I do appreciate revisionist history as much as the next person (which is why I so enjoy some particular items from the copy/paste lore you've provided), but the glaring absence of El Salvador from the well-typed copy/paste list seems quite conspicuous, from an otherwise truly authentic copy/paste. Internet research, copy/paste-based as it is, still needs to retain some measure of notional reality, however meddlesome that can be at times.

Keep up the good work, and keep your chin up.



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RE: US supporting freedom and democracy? US against ter... - 12/20/2012 5:59:41 AM   
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+1 And the US is simply continuing the traditions of its motherlands.



For sure. Before it was the USA, it was Britain and France and Spain.

I have no problem with that being pointed out.

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RE: US supporting freedom and democracy? US against ter... - 12/20/2012 7:59:19 AM   
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The US always said that its supporting freedom and democracy and that its against terrorism, but facts tell different...

A list of countries in which the US wanted to overthrow the government (in some cases they succeeded)


This is called global politics. There is no US: ask yourself how global politics is made, who conducts it? In many cases in the past the US population as a whole benefited from these policies. Today it is not the case any more. The direction has been taken to build a global corporate empire and the US population interest is not relevant any more. The major setback in the path was at the end of Clinton presidency when they lost an effort to bring Russia into the system. Then the international "terrorism" problem was invented and they exploit it with some success until today. The overall trend is troublesome, the strategy needs change and the US elites have basically lost its head; they can not change. It may have to do with the age of long-term policymakers, they are very old. It reminds the fall of Soviet Union; the politburo had average age over 80. Do not think Obama has much to do with this: he is a pure puppet.
US citizens need not to worry about all this, just eat Soylent Green and be happy.

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RE: US supporting freedom and democracy? US against ter... - 12/20/2012 8:12:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		I agree we did a pretty good job raising the world to a new pinnacle of freedom and prosperity under our watch. There is more world freedom today than any time in history and all those that follow our lead, at least in economics, can feed their citizens.

Now all we need to do is get ride of those pesky liberal websites where haters spew their jealous envious bullshit thinking anyone gives a crap.

Damnit where is that bitch the towels are crooked again in the bathroom.

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RE: US supporting freedom and democracy? US against ter... - 12/20/2012 8:57:12 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Fellow

quote:

The US always said that its supporting freedom and democracy and that its against terrorism, but facts tell different...

A list of countries in which the US wanted to overthrow the government (in some cases they succeeded)


This is called global politics. There is no US: ask yourself how global politics is made, who conducts it? In many cases in the past the US population as a whole benefited from these policies. Today it is not the case any more. The direction has been taken to build a global corporate empire and the US population interest is not relevant any more. The major setback in the path was at the end of Clinton presidency when they lost an effort to bring Russia into the system. Then the international "terrorism" problem was invented and they exploit it with some success until today. The overall trend is troublesome, the strategy needs change and the US elites have basically lost its head; they can not change. It may have to do with the age of long-term policymakers, they are very old. It reminds the fall of Soviet Union; the politburo had average age over 80. Do not think Obama has much to do with this: he is a pure puppet.
US citizens need not to worry about all this, just eat Soylent Green and be happy.




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RE: US supporting freedom and democracy? US against ter... - 12/20/2012 1:56:32 PM   
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I agree we did a pretty good job raising the world to a new pinnacle of freedom and prosperity under our watch. There is more world freedom today than any time in history and all those that follow our lead, at least in economics, can feed their citizens.



I'm assuming right you are joking?

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RE: US supporting freedom and democracy? US against ter... - 12/20/2012 2:04:38 PM   
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RE: US supporting freedom and democracy? US against ter... - 12/20/2012 2:17:17 PM   
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No I am serious...I could only be if it were true and it is.


ROFL!!!!!!!!

If there is more freedom around it has nothing to do with the USA but people who have freed themselves. The USA after all supported just about every fascist dictatorship and their death squads all over south and central America, supported most brutal Arab dictatorships. Supported Iran's brutal dictatorship, fought a colonial war in Vietnam and Korea.

You have to be joking or certifiable,

And if you are up to thinking, you will realise there isn't that much freedom in the west either and that includes the USA but I doubt you can think your way through the consumer capitalist propaganda.

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