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RE: Liberal Gun Advocates - 12/20/2012 9:23:09 PM   
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I own guns cause I think Heretic might try to attack my home to still my recipe for bar-be-que sauce.



LOL. Like a scotch drinker is going to know good sauce.

Bourbon is for BBQ.

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RE: Liberal Gun Advocates - 12/20/2012 9:25:13 PM   
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I own guns cause I think Heretic might try to attack my home to still my recipe for bar-be-que sauce.



LOL. Like a scotch drinker is going to know good sauce.



Scotch is for special occasions, like the birth of a grandchild or my 10 month old great nephew. My regular drink is Canadian whiskey.

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RE: Liberal Gun Advocates - 12/20/2012 9:27:09 PM   
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I'd rather drink Japanese whiskey, than Canadian.

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RE: Liberal Gun Advocates - 12/20/2012 9:28:37 PM   
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Point remain - see edit

I'd rather drink Japanese whiskey, than Canadian.



Well we do think alike. Bourbon for Bar Be Que is the only way to go.

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RE: Liberal Gun Advocates - 12/20/2012 9:30:03 PM   
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And now you've achieved a whole new high point, DC. Your thread on a touchy subject is getting hijacked!

Spread your wings, baby! You're a star!

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RE: Liberal Gun Advocates - 12/20/2012 9:30:08 PM   
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Well we do think alike. Bourbon for Bar Be Que is the only way to go.


Get a room damn it!

You are both too damn friendly and happy to be gun owners.

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RE: Liberal Gun Advocates - 12/20/2012 9:31:55 PM   
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Well we do think alike. Bourbon for Bar Be Que is the only way to go.


Get a room damn it!

You are both to damn friendly and happy to be gun owners.



Actually I do believe that the fact the two of us are not arguing is mentioned in various doomsday prophecies around the world.

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RE: Liberal Gun Advocates - 12/20/2012 9:49:29 PM   
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I wonder, is it possible that CollarMe could set up a forum for gun-fans?


It would be much easier if you would just avoid threads that are clearly identified as gun threads.

Just for you... I have a Smith & Wesson 9mm semi automatic pistol. With two 16 round clips.

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RE: Liberal Gun Advocates - 12/20/2012 9:54:46 PM   
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Just for you... I have a Smith & Wesson 9mm semi automatic pistol. With two 16 round clips.



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RE: Liberal Gun Advocates - 12/20/2012 10:04:40 PM   
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Well we do think alike.


Which gets us back to DC's point, and my reference to the rule of absolute division. Gun ownership may be uneven, but it's far from exclusive. Our politics are portrayed exclusively though.

Do those one the left need to prove they aren't little-libby-girly-men? No. (unless they brag about a monster truck too, and even then it's likely got more to do with personal problems of penis perception than politics). Do they need to get their individual values onto the table, in front of those stereotypically cast on them? Yes. Much the same as when somebody thinks I'm anti-abortion.

Say, since we need to wrap the segue off BBQ, that the environmentalists started claiming that charcoal BBQ was one of the best ways to live a greener lifestyle, the media ran with it, and suddenly having a grill on the deck made the same sort of statement as a Prius in the driveway. Am I going to stop grilling, chilling, and swilling, with a couple rubbed tri-tips getting the low and slow treatment over mesquite? Am I not going to laugh loud and hard in the face of anyone who calls me an ecofascist?

Same thing

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RE: Liberal Gun Advocates - 12/20/2012 10:07:30 PM   
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I dont have a monster truck, and have never been told I have anything to compensate for.

Liberal anti gun advocates are more of a geographical thing, such as the north east, upper midwest and california.

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RE: Liberal Gun Advocates - 12/20/2012 10:13:41 PM   
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I am a liberal and support gun rights.

I dont have a monster truck, and have never been told I have anything to compensate for.

Liberal anti gun advocates are more of a geographical thing, such as the north east, upper midwest and california.



There is a segment getting left completely out of this as well. Those are the republicans who think guns should be tightly controlled. They certainly exist. Why do they stay so quiet when it comes up?

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RE: Liberal Gun Advocates - 12/20/2012 10:20:19 PM   
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RE: Liberal Gun Advocates - 12/20/2012 11:14:43 PM   
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lol... I didnt mean you... I meant the argument that all those who want guns banned are leftists.



I think this time and in the past, at the national level the most shrill calls for gun control and those who wrote and will be writing the bills come from the hard left.

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RE: Liberal Gun Advocates - 12/21/2012 12:52:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hard Left? I disagree. Only in America would our Liberals be called Hard Left. (Jeeze! Hard Left has been armed and ready since before Trotsky!) Those deeply committed to protecting a vision of populist government as opposed to elitist, fully agree with the Founding Fathers in appreciating the worth of the means to resist oppressive force from any direction. It's the urban 'coddle me' liberals who aren't dedicated to much of anything but safety and their personal status quo that are horrified by the idea of guns and certainly of having to use them. And it's not Democrats, it's a subset of the party. The immigrants and the organized workers have had their noses rubbed in what happens to those with no way to resist armed groups bent on maintaining the advantages of someone using them. Current Democratic leadership and their policy wonks aren't exactly loaded with members of those who built the party? It's the soft mild left of American politics that are trying to make life safe by removing strong visual reminders of the inherent aggressiveness of unsocialized Man. Or anyone who deeply feels the group they identify with is threatened. (The thinking seems to go: "If we make those nasty people give up the tools we are scared of, they won't be nasty people anymore! sound of happy clapping. . .)
Notice the hysteria about "Assault Rifles", which are simply semi-autos made to look like assault rifles. Once again, the essential quality that makes a shoulder or waist fired weapon an 'assault' anything is full auto fire capability. The term is now very emotionally loaded so those bent on gun control assign the boogy word to whatever they can. The 'liberals' who are terrified at the sight of an unfamiliar gun configuration have no idea of the problems facing many unarmed people on our planet. War is ugly and horrifying. Massacre and ethnic cleansing are worse. That none the last few generations struggling to stay alive have been middle or western Europeans we identify with doesn't mean there aren't peoples and groups now desperate in the face of crushing oppression. Tribal peoples all over the Tropics are seeing trucks of armed men arrive to tell them they just moved and followed by bulldozers and people planting palm plantations to feed the First World's taste for cheap vegetable oils. More of these trucks of military, private armies or just gangsters working for the rich are carrying true assault weapons built and supplied by the US than Kalashnikovs.
Kalashnikov isn't happy so many people have died in front of his design. He is happy that so many people had the alternative of fighting with his gun as opposed to being crushed or walked to the current equivalent of Auschwitz. Africa is the current host of multiple recent genocides of basically unarmed peoples. Current American politics has no institutional memory. We forget what happened to the technologically 'unarmed' amerindians and slaves. WWII had damn few voices for disarming the people. Most were thinking the home militia might be the last hope if a few unexpected disasters befell our Pacific Fleet.
Those thinking the status quo is permanent are Always wrong. Just like those who didn't believe any event could possibly create a risk for the massively divided investment instruments that led directly to the recent financial meltdown, thinking mid North America is permanently immune to political or other armed oppression is delusional. The basic idea of an armed people is like in my neighborhood. The weak in many ways need protection. Those who are trained in defending themself almost never have to use the skills and muscles regularly trained. Everyone knowing they Can defend themself, they almost never have to. And if they Do, they have a fighting chance.

I'm a registered Democrat, haven't liked a Republican since Eisenhower, own firearms and shot NRA service rifle matches before my eyes lost their enthusiasm. My actual opinion is I despise most elected Democrats, but at least they aren't Republicans! Better the incompetent than the delusional or professionally dishonest. And my three best friends all think Obama is a Muslim and deep cover Communist. Is it an old Russian curse: "May you live in interesting times"?

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RE: Liberal Gun Advocates - 12/21/2012 1:13:21 AM   
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RE: Liberal Gun Advocates - 12/21/2012 1:47:50 AM   
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lol... I didnt mean you... I meant the argument that all those who want guns banned are leftists.



I think this time and in the past, at the national level the most shrill calls for gun control and those who wrote and will be writing the bills come from the hard left.


Believe me, America doesn't have a hard left. America has a capitalist party with a conscience and a capitalist party without a conscience.

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RE: Liberal Gun Advocates - 12/21/2012 3:05:52 AM   
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One of the self-care pillars of my online life is not discussing guns, and this thread will probably give a renewed sense of the wisdom of that policy. But I can't resist raising a question that's simmered on my back burner for years and is bubbling a bit louder due to recent events and threads.

Every so often, I've noticed, posters who generally skew left take up for guns and seemingly unlimited ownership of them with a striking degree of gusto. They seem particularly eager to (I can't resist) outgun the NRA itself in pouring ridicule on the very mention of gun control.

Now I'm not disputing anyone's First Amendment rights (nor Second, I'd better add hastily), but the psychology of the situation intrigues me. Might it, I wonder, be a reaction to conservatives' skill over the past few decades at painting liberals as softer, gentler, more prone to salmon than red meat? Remember Spiro Agnew's "effete, East Coast, pseudo-intellectual snobs"? (The phrasing was actually Willaim Safire's, I think, but I digress effetely.)

Underlying all that, of course, is the notion that liberals are, well, unmanly--just plain sissies even.

Against that backdrop, is clamoring like an Idaho hunter for the right to own and use something that's long, hard, round, and shoots a way of saying, "Bring on the beer and the beef! I'm just as much a man as you are!"?

Anyone else ever wonder about this?






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RE: Liberal Gun Advocates - 12/21/2012 3:32:10 AM   
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I do believe this is the first time Alinsky's made an appearance in onj of my threads. I've finally made the P&R big leagues!




DC, you've been in a league of your own for quite some time (and that is meant in the nicest way )



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RE: Liberal Gun Advocates - 12/21/2012 4:54:18 AM   
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Underlying all that, of course, is the notion that liberals are, well, unmanly--just plain sissies even.

Against that backdrop, is clamoring like an Idaho hunter for the right to own and use something that's long, hard, round, and shoots a way of saying, "Bring on the beer and the beef! I'm just as much a man as you are!"?

That could be a stretch: the notion that liberals are unmanly wusses is a right wing construct, rather than a leftist one. The only people who think that you'll get your liberal card taken away if you aren't quite wet enough are probably talk radio fans. Hell, that's a pretty equivalent attitude to saying that all right leaning reactionary sorts want to repeal Roe vs Wade, stop women working, castrate the homosexuals so that they can't molest any children or offend anybody by mincing in public and deport (or kill) all of the non caucasians, isn't it? These are attitudes that do exist, but you won't find all of them anywhere other in a small minority of the lunatic fringe.

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