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SimplyMichael -> Ban hate speach. (12/20/2012 8:49:10 PM)

Not all words but if we certain ones, the haters will never again be able to use words to hurt people. I dont want to restrict free speech or ban all words, just the indiscriminant ones. Its for the children...

Which ignores the reality of language...just like other well meaning people do.

All guns are deadly, most are capable of killing 20 people in mere moments.




TheHeretic -> RE: Ban hate speach. (12/20/2012 8:52:44 PM)

Ban any form of speech?

Time to load the guns.




jlf1961 -> RE: Ban hate speach. (12/20/2012 8:54:20 PM)

How in the hell are you going to ban hate speech and not hinder free speech?




SimplyMichael -> RE: Ban hate speach. (12/20/2012 8:59:41 PM)


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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

How in the hell are you going to ban hate speech and not hinder free speech?


World record for irony.




erieangel -> RE: Ban hate speach. (12/20/2012 10:01:40 PM)

Actually, in some states hate speech is a crime.





Powergamz1 -> RE: Ban hate speach. (12/20/2012 10:15:35 PM)

Words have the power to hurt...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVN_0qvuhhw




Aswad -> RE: Ban hate speach. (12/20/2012 11:03:55 PM)

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ORIGINAL: erieangel

Actually, in some states hate speech is a crime.


How sad.

IWYW,
— Aswad.




littlewonder -> RE: Ban hate speach. (12/21/2012 12:30:23 AM)

ssoooo.....if I tell someone that they are stupid, should I go to jail for hating them because they are so stupid? What if I call him/her a moron or fugly?.




Aswad -> RE: Ban hate speach. (12/21/2012 12:33:43 AM)

~lol~




metamorfosis -> RE: Ban hate speach. (12/21/2012 12:43:03 AM)

Can we just ban gun threads?

pam




Aswad -> RE: Ban hate speach. (12/21/2012 1:40:32 AM)

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ORIGINAL: metamorfosis

Can we just ban gun threads?


Why not just start a thread of your own on something else, instead?

IWYW,
— Aswad.




metamorfosis -> RE: Ban hate speach. (12/21/2012 1:52:57 AM)

Actually, that's a really good point.

Pam




DarkSteven -> RE: Ban hate speach. (12/21/2012 2:58:23 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

Ban any form of speech?

Time to load the guns.


Too late. The classic case is someone who yells "Fire!" in a crowded theater.

If speech can be shown to directly cause damage, it is actionable. (Libel/slander are other examples.)




thishereboi -> RE: Ban hate speach. (12/21/2012 3:01:25 AM)

fr
Why do you think banning hate speach would stop it? Do you honestly believe once something is illegal everyone stops doing it?




vincentML -> RE: Ban hate speach. (12/21/2012 5:31:17 AM)

FR

I oppose any legislation banning racial, ethnic, or sexual orientation slurs, or any speech for that matter.

Saying that however, I believe that such slurs contribute to passing on harmful prejudices. Cultural pressure is enough to diminish the use of harmful words. Hate and prejudice will never be totally extinguished. It seems a tribal trait to me. But we can combat it through education. We have made progress. Very optimistic.




Hillwilliam -> RE: Ban hate speach. (12/21/2012 5:32:57 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: thishereboi

fr
Why do you think banning hate speach would stop it? Do you honestly believe once something is illegal everyone stops doing it?

It worked for drugs and underage drinking didn't it?




Moonhead -> RE: Ban hate speach. (12/21/2012 5:36:36 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: thishereboi

fr
Why do you think banning hate speach would stop it? Do you honestly believe once something is illegal everyone stops doing it?

Of course not, but the threat of prosecution will stop a few people from doing it in public, which is how laws restricting the use of hate speech work.




cordeliasub -> RE: Ban hate speach. (12/21/2012 6:49:47 AM)

Who gets to decide what words qualify? That should be interesting.....




DaddySatyr -> RE: Ban hate speach. (12/21/2012 6:53:36 AM)

There was a proposition, a few years ago, to ban "The N Word" in NYC. It looked like it was moving along very well until Fat Albert (Al Sharpton) insisted on an exclusion for African Americans.

Fail sauce, all the way around.



Peace and comfort,



Michael




dcnovice -> RE: Ban hate speach. (12/21/2012 7:11:29 AM)

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Not all words but if we certain ones, the haters will never again be able to use words to hurt people. I dont want to restrict free speech or ban all words, just the indiscriminant ones. Its for the children...

Which ignores the reality of language...just like other well meaning people do.

All guns are deadly, most are capable of killing 20 people in mere moments.

Your sarcasm-laden point seems to be that people can misuse language, just as they can misuse guns or axes or grapefruit spoons. Given that, banning guns strikes you as futile, just as banning hate speech would be. Am I understanding you correctly?

If so, I agree that one needs to be wary of overreactions to horrors such as Sandy Hook and that balancing individual rights with those of the community is truly tricky, particularly in terms of the First and Second Amendments. Neither amendment has been taken absolutely in U.S. history. DS has already offered the classic proscription on shouting "Fire!" in a crowded theater.

All that said, two thoughts come to mind:

(a) As the great constitutional scholar Eddie Izzard pointed out, guns alone can't kill people, but they do seem to help anyone on a murderous tear. Even the vilest hate speech couldn't have erased lives as swiftly and brutally as the Sandy Hook gunman did.

(b) I wish folks on both sides of the gun divide would cease and desist from trying to score political points off the Sandy Hook massacre.




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