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RE: All things gun control go here - 12/31/2012 1:59:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		Under the auspice of a mass murder, this thread is really gun porn and reading it really illustrates the poplarity of gun fetishism in America. The gun as penis extension, as love toy, an aphrodisiac, as man badge. Baudrillard would have had such fun deconstructing this, it's quite enlightening.

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RE: All things gun control go here - 12/31/2012 2:13:11 AM   
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The pattern of a payback-minded shooter with a history of anti-depressant medication is what stands out for me.

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yes a better mental heath care system would do more good than any of the other suggestions made

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RE: All things gun control go here - 12/31/2012 2:19:36 AM   
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gun porn... fetishism... penis extension... love toy... aphrodisiac... man badge.

If you can't respect the kinks of others, you're in the wrong place.

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RE: All things gun control go here - 12/31/2012 2:39:55 AM   
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gun porn... fetishism... penis extension... love toy... aphrodisiac... man badge.

If you can't respect the kinks of others, you're in the wrong place.

K.


LOL You have a point.

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RE: All things gun control go here - 12/31/2012 7:07:00 AM   
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what access am I restricting to legal gun owners by asking them to lock them up?

you don't want to ask them to you want to demand it


yep.. I do.

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RE: All things gun control go here - 12/31/2012 8:06:28 AM   
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In any case, I can appreciate his reaction. The idea that personal responsibility can be attached to him, simply by virtue of his ownership of his weapon, for "enabling" the deeds of other persons with other weapons is a prescription for holding anybody responsible for anything. Bad bad direction. No cigar.
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I can appreciate this your statement above but is it really valid. What if he were collecting explosives… dangerous viruses…tanks…nuclear materials…hell exotic animals like lion and tigers…on and on. There are appropriate limits to what dangerous items people can and should privately own.

The above are silly examples but the idea is valid at least for consideration of any dangerous item… Even if it is not dangerous in that particular persons possession. This particular item has proven over and over to be extremely dangerous…even in the hands of those that legally purchased them.

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RE: All things gun control go here - 12/31/2012 2:46:53 PM   
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RE: All things gun control go here - 12/31/2012 4:13:14 PM   
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Amen and the sheep who follow them

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RE: All things gun control go here - 12/31/2012 8:25:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: meatcleaver

Under the auspice of a mass murder, this thread is really gun porn and reading it really illustrates the poplarity of gun fetishism in America. The gun as penis extension, as love toy, an aphrodisiac, as man badge. Baudrillard would have had such fun deconstructing this, it's quite enlightening.


Not just porn. You don't see the humour...?

Pretty much the common view of the gun humpers in this thread is that more guns are the solution for America's gun violence. You know, armed guards in the schools now. And when the next massacre happens in a shopping mall, or a railway station, or on a bus...? You just know the magic pill for that, too, right?

My favourite is the pretext of "home defense". Three cheers for the hallowed 2nd amendment n all.

And for the conveniently ignored question; who are they defending their homes against? Blow me down if it isn't other Americans with the same right to bear arms. So then the challenge is to own more guns or "better" guns than some potential home invader...!

The neighbour's idiot dog likes to chase its own tail. Poor mutt, he's a rank amateur to the comedy show of gun logic playing out on these boards. This 2nd amendment is the holy grail of perpetual motion - a self-sustaining entity - that can apparently only grow with each slaughter.

Vintage & classic "only in America" - and thankyou Lord, for that.

Focus.

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RE: All things gun control go here - 12/31/2012 8:35:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: meatcleaver

Under the auspice of a mass murder, this thread is really gun porn and reading it really illustrates the poplarity of gun fetishism in America. The gun as penis extension, as love toy, an aphrodisiac, as man badge. Baudrillard would have had such fun deconstructing this, it's quite enlightening.


Not just porn. You don't see the humour...?

Pretty much the common view of the gun humpers in this thread is that more guns are the solution for America's gun violence. You know, armed guards in the schools now. And when the next massacre happens in a shopping mall, or a railway station, or on a bus...? You just know the magic pill for that, too, right?

My favourite is the pretext of "home defense". Three cheers for the hallowed 2nd amendment n all.

And for the conveniently ignored question; who are they defending their homes against? Blow me down if it isn't other Americans with the same right to bear arms. So then the challenge is to own more guns or "better" guns than some potential home invader...!

The neighbour's idiot dog likes to chase its own tail. Poor mutt, he's a rank amateur to the comedy show of gun logic playing out on these boards. This 2nd amendment is the holy grail of perpetual motion - a self-sustaining entity - that can apparently only grow with each slaughter.

Vintage & classic "only in America" - and thankyou Lord, for that.

Focus.

being from Australia it is only natural that you turn reality upside down btw what crime got your forefathers shipped down there

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RE: All things gun control go here - 12/31/2012 8:46:10 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Focus50


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ORIGINAL: meatcleaver

Under the auspice of a mass murder, this thread is really gun porn and reading it really illustrates the poplarity of gun fetishism in America. The gun as penis extension, as love toy, an aphrodisiac, as man badge. Baudrillard would have had such fun deconstructing this, it's quite enlightening.


Not just porn. You don't see the humour...?

Pretty much the common view of the gun humpers in this thread is that more guns are the solution for America's gun violence. You know, armed guards in the schools now. And when the next massacre happens in a shopping mall, or a railway station, or on a bus...? You just know the magic pill for that, too, right?

My favourite is the pretext of "home defense". Three cheers for the hallowed 2nd amendment n all.

And for the conveniently ignored question; who are they defending their homes against? Blow me down if it isn't other Americans with the same right to bear arms. So then the challenge is to own more guns or "better" guns than some potential home invader...!

The neighbour's idiot dog likes to chase its own tail. Poor mutt, he's a rank amateur to the comedy show of gun logic playing out on these boards. This 2nd amendment is the holy grail of perpetual motion - a self-sustaining entity - that can apparently only grow with each slaughter.

Vintage & classic "only in America" - and thankyou Lord, for that.

Focus.

This pretty much sums it up.

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RE: All things gun control go here - 1/2/2013 3:50:03 AM   
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You think here and all other modern, western societies with civilian gun controls in place are more dangerous places to live than gun-hump USA?



Of course they're not. But I think that this hints at one of the root problems: in the USA it isn't so much about 'society' as such, it's more about the individual. The question is always more one of 'Am *I* safer without a gun?' than 'Are *we* safer without guns?'. Don't forget, the word 'society' has the same commie root as the word 'socialism'.

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RE: All things gun control go here - 1/2/2013 7:39:41 AM   
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You think here and all other modern, western societies with civilian gun controls in place are more dangerous places to live than gun-hump USA?



Of course they're not. But I think that this hints at one of the root problems: in the USA it isn't so much about 'society' as such, it's more about the individual. The question is always more one of 'Am *I* safer without a gun?' than 'Are *we* safer without guns?'. Don't forget, the word 'society' has the same commie root as the word 'socialism'.


Ah that old word that is suppose to drum up Red, White, and Blue, All American response "Communism" thought that had died.

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RE: All things gun control go here - 1/2/2013 9:10:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		The U S with more guns than ever has the lowest crime rate in 20 years

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RE: All things gun control go here - 1/2/2013 9:25:33 AM   
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The U S with more guns than ever has the lowest crime rate in 20 years


And none of it caused by the increase in firearms ownership. Still that is some 30,000 lives lost, more than I care to tolerate...like some others.

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RE: All things gun control go here - 1/2/2013 9:41:15 AM   
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The U S with more guns than ever has the lowest crime rate in 20 years


And none of it caused by the increase in firearms ownership. Still that is some 30,000 lives lost, more than I care to tolerate...like some others.

that is not what I said and you know it but obviously the number of guns did not cause an increase in crime

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RE: All things gun control go here - 1/2/2013 9:54:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		*The number of police officers increased considerably in the 1990s.[8]

*The prison population has been expanded since the mid-1970s.[8]

*Starting in the mid-1980s, the crack cocaine market grew rapidly before declining again a decade later. Some authors have pointed towards the link between violent crimes and crack use.[8]

*One hypothesis suggests a causal link between legalized abortion and the drop in crime during the 1990s.[9]

*Another hypothesis suggests reduced lead exposure as the cause; Scholar Mark A.R. Kleiman writes: "Given the decrease in lead exposure among children since the 1980s and the estimated effects of lead on crime, reduced lead exposure could easily explain a very large proportion—certainly more than half—of the crime decrease of the 1994-2004 period. A careful statistical study relating local changes in lead exposure to local crime rates estimates the fraction of the crime decline due to lead reduction as greater than 90 percent.[10]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States#Crime_over_time

Might wanna give another thought as to why crime dropped.



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RE: All things gun control go here - 1/2/2013 9:56:37 AM   
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RE: All things gun control go here - 1/2/2013 10:24:29 AM   
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you are talking out of your ass about the british crime stats....


not according to british home office stats

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RE: All things gun control go here - 1/2/2013 10:26:46 AM   
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*The number of police officers increased considerably in the 1990s.[8]

*The prison population has been expanded since the mid-1970s.[8]

*Starting in the mid-1980s, the crack cocaine market grew rapidly before declining again a decade later. Some authors have pointed towards the link between violent crimes and crack use.[8]

*One hypothesis suggests a causal link between legalized abortion and the drop in crime during the 1990s.[9]

*Another hypothesis suggests reduced lead exposure as the cause; Scholar Mark A.R. Kleiman writes: "Given the decrease in lead exposure among children since the 1980s and the estimated effects of lead on crime, reduced lead exposure could easily explain a very large proportion—certainly more than half—of the crime decrease of the 1994-2004 period. A careful statistical study relating local changes in lead exposure to local crime rates estimates the fraction of the crime decline due to lead reduction as greater than 90 percent.[10]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States#Crime_over_time

Might wanna give another thought as to why crime dropped.



when I origianally pointed this out on the other thread I stated that this did not prove more guns less crime. I also pointed out that it is very damaging to the theory or more guns more crime

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