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RE: Chocolate Confectionery Banned in the USA - 12/23/2012 9:59:19 AM

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It is pretty nasty chocolate, to be fair. Maybe that's why they banned it?

Just having googled, it probably tastes nasty because it contains 45% chocolate while Hershey bars contain between 4-10% chocolate and chocolate confectionary that contains more chocolate has a more bitter taste. people who like chocolate prefer the bitter taste, others prefer emulsifiers and sugars.

Nope. It tastes nasty because it's horribly sickly sweet. If it was bitter, it'd taste a lot more like chocolate. (Mind you, it's worth bearing in mind that I think Hershey's is pretty foul stuff as well. The American comedian Rich Hall does a routine about the UK chocolate company Cadbury's being bought out by Kraft, in which he mentions that the first time he tasted Dairy Milk he found himself floating down a brightly lit tunnel with people he used to know who've died waiting for him at the far end...)

Well Cadbury Dairy milk has about 20% chocolate (or more accurately cocoa solids) so it is more chocolate than Hershy but still only half the cocoa solids of Kinder Surprise.

I have to be honest, I've never tasted Kinder Surprise and the only chocolate I eat nowadays comes from the local chocolaterie because it is owned by an expat Belgian who is proud of her craft.

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RE: Chocolate Confectionery Banned in the USA - 12/23/2012 10:58:25 AM

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Let me put it this way: I'm astonished that the choccie in a Kinder surprise has that many cocoa solids in it. It's more like the pseudo chocolate they put on a choc ice wrapped around some horribly sickly white chocolate. I'm wondering if whoever claims it has a higher chocolate content than dairy milk isn't counting the vile white chocolate lining (which is, as any fule no, the muck they skim out of chocolate liquor while making chocolate) as chocolate solids. It isn't half as good as dairy milk, and as for a posh dark chocolate (Ritter, Green and Blacks, Lindt, hell, even Bournville or Old Jamaica) forget it.
I suppose it's possible that they've really loaded up on the emulsifiers and other additives you're pooh poohing the vastly superior Cadbury's stuff for including to try to ensure that it doesn't taste chocolately rather than sickly sweet, because it's meant to be candy not choccie, but if you're seriously suggesting that a high percentage of cocoa solids is a guarantee of fine chocolate, I can only suggest that you try this swill, because it'd be guaranteed to change your mind. Vile muck. Seriously you should get hold of some and try it. I find the notion that it's 45% cocoa solids hilarious: as I've said, if it is, they've really gone out of their way to hide the fact.

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RE: Chocolate Confectionery Banned in the USA - 12/23/2012 12:49:16 PM

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It is pretty nasty chocolate, to be fair. Maybe that's why they banned it?

Just having googled, it probably tastes nasty because it contains 45% chocolate while Hershey bars contain between 4-10% chocolate and chocolate confectionary that contains more chocolate has a more bitter taste. people who like chocolate prefer the bitter taste, others prefer emulsifiers and sugars.

http://kinderbrands.co.nz/faq/

KINDER® SURPRISE®
Ingredient list:
EXTERIOR: MILK CHOCOLATE (45%)(SUGAR, WHOLE MILK POWDER, COCOA BUTTER, COCOA MASS, EMULSIFIER: SOY LECITHIN, FLAVOURING: VANILLIN).
INTERIOR: WHOLE MILK POWDER, SUGAR, VEGETABLE FATS, EMULSIFIER (SOY LECITHIN), FLAVOURING (VANILLIN).
Total MILK Constituents: 32% – Total COCOA Solids: 15%
ALLERGENS: CONTAINS MILK, SOY.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A24276-2004Jun8.html

Milk chocolate contains so much milk and sugar that its percentage of true cacao may be as low as 10 percent, the minimum required by the FDA for calling it "chocolate" on the label. Hershey's milk chocolate contains about 11 percent cacao. In contrast, a serious dark chocolate bar will contain anywhere from 65 percent to 85 percent cacao.

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RE: Chocolate Confectionery Banned in the USA - 12/23/2012 12:56:55 PM

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I find the notion that it's 45% cocoa solids hilarious: as I've said, if it is, they've really gone out of their way to hide the fact.

Actually, you are right. I misread the site. It said 45% chocolate but looking closer, that is the whole product, the chocolate itself is 15% cocoa solids. Still two to three times the cocoa content of Hershey but 25% less than Cadburys. It was only with pressure from Britain (& Ireland) which produces chocolate with less cocoa solids than other European countries, that the EU allowed British chocolate to be called chocolate and this decision allowed Ferrero to call Kinder Surprise chocolate. Before that it was apparently just labelled confectionary.

Hmm This chocolate politics has proved interesting, it makes you wonder what other, more important products are diplomatic footballs to be kicked around.

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RE: Chocolate Confectionery Banned in the USA - 12/23/2012 12:59:42 PM

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Milk chocolate contains so much milk and sugar that its percentage of true cacao may be as low as 10 percent, the minimum required by the FDA for calling it "chocolate" on the label. Hershey's milk chocolate contains about 11 percent cacao. In contrast, a serious dark chocolate bar will contain anywhere from 65 percent to 85 percent cacao.

Hershey as far as I can tell is 4-10% depending on the product.

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RE: Chocolate Confectionery Banned in the USA - 12/23/2012 1:09:20 PM

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I couldnt find a listing of percentages on the Hershey site. That report was about the Milk Chocolate bar. I adore dark chocolate.

Hershey's Extra Dark is 60%.

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RE: Chocolate Confectionery Banned in the USA - 12/23/2012 1:33:12 PM

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I actually heard about Kinder Surprise from Phelous and Lupa in a video they did together, Phelous being a Canadian had some in the house and Lupa being an American and curious tried it while Phelous talked about the reasons it was banned.

Apparently we have a law on our books stating non-food items are not allowed to be inside food items without a special allowance stating otherwise, which is part of the reason why the Wonder Ball suddenly changed from having a toy inside it to having more candy inside it. The other reason of course being that some kids choked on the toy inside, which seems very strange because the entire reason the commercials told you to get a Wonder Ball was to find out what toy was inside it.

Kinder Surprise did appeal to the courts but were denied, which if you look at one is phenomenally stupid seeing as the toy was wrapped up in a rubber egg that fit exactly inside the chocolate, so you would really have to work at choking on it, but that's where inattentive parents who would just hand a two year old some unknown candy without unwrapping it first come in. Next thing we will find out foil wrapping has been outlawed because children choked on that too...

I am not really certain where that leaves things like Cracker Jack, I do still see that being sold at various dollar stores, of course I doubt anybody from the FDA has been in the candy section of one of those in quite some time, but still I've seen them in other places as well, maybe it's because they changed it to little folding bits of paper? I don't know, someday I might decide to read the actual law and find out the specifics.

(and since i mentioned two names without explaining them at all, here is what im talking about www.phelous.com i think it was during a Resident Evil play through when they were talking about it, but i am not entirely sure, all i remember was Lupa stealing Phelous' food and making him explain the stuff Americans never get to see)

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RE: Chocolate Confectionery Banned in the USA - 12/23/2012 2:08:54 PM

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Hershey's Extra Dark is 60%.

Chocolate with 60% cocoa solids in a slab is pretty hardcore, Lindt do a 99% one which is positively perverted. Personally, such pure chocolate is great on a gateau but on its own, Ugh! But everyone's tastes vary, someone must like it or they wouldn't sell it.

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RE: Chocolate Confectionery Banned in the USA - 12/23/2012 5:27:14 PM

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Milk chocolate contains so much milk and sugar that its percentage of true cacao may be as low as 10 percent, the minimum required by the FDA for calling it "chocolate" on the label. Hershey's milk chocolate contains about 11 percent cacao. In contrast, a serious dark chocolate bar will contain anywhere from 65 percent to 85 percent cacao.

Milk chocolate must contain at least 12% mild solids to be accurately labeled "milk chocolate." Additionally, milk chocolate must contain at least 10% of cocoa liquor (which must contain at least 50% cocoa butter, but not more than 60%). So, a Hershey milk chocolate bar has to have a minimum of 10% chocolate liquor, which could mean 4% non-fat cocoa solids and 6% cocoa butter. Hershey Special Dark conforms with the regulations regarding semi-sweet, bittersweet, and "dark" chocolates with 35% chocolate liquor (the minimum to pass this naming regulation), but that is still chocolate liquor, which means that the Hershey Special Dark will have a minimum 14% non-fat cocoa solids and a minimum of 17.5% cocoa butter. Your Extra Dark (heard of it, but I don't think I've seen it yet) bar will have a minimum of 24% non-fat cocoa solids and a minimum of 30% cocoa butter.

Want to know something really odd? Both Canadian reg's and US reg's disqualify replacing any of the required cocoa butter with vegetable oils, regardless of how similar the fat is to cocoa butter. EU regulations allow for a small (5%, I think) amount of vegetable oils replacing cocoa butter in their chocolate.

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RE: Chocolate Confectionery Banned in the USA - 12/23/2012 6:49:11 PM

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Guns don't kill people; chocolate does. Isn't that what the NRA says?

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RE: Chocolate Confectionery Banned in the USA - 12/26/2012 9:05:57 AM

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Hmm... How many of these kids die as a result of choking accidents?

I mean... If it's say.... 300 a year, does they justify an outright ban on those dangerous confections?

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RE: Chocolate Confectionery Banned in the USA - 12/26/2012 10:13:55 AM

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Hmm... How many of these kids die as a result of choking accidents?
I mean... If it's say.... 300 a year, does they justify an outright ban on those dangerous confections?

Please. They're Kinder Chocolates. They aren't dangerous.

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RE: Chocolate Confectionery Banned in the USA - 12/28/2012 3:05:10 PM

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It is pretty nasty chocolate, to be fair. Maybe that's why they banned it?

Just having googled, it probably tastes nasty because it contains 45% chocolate while Hershey bars contain between 4-10% chocolate and chocolate confectionary that contains more chocolate has a more bitter taste. people who like chocolate prefer the bitter taste, others prefer emulsifiers and sugars.

ahem....*koff....koff...*

I actually belong to the rare species who loves that chocolate

and consider Cadbury to be the type of chocolate you should start eating if you want to start disliking chocolate....but thats just my lil innocent view

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RE: Chocolate Confectionery Banned in the USA - 1/1/2013 10:58:47 AM

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wow, this one is long and rambling and has pretty much no point...

yeah... skipping this post is fine...

I had a Wonderball when it had a toy in it, I remember because I've had two of them in my life, the first one i think was a Disney's Hercules tie in and had either pain or panic. but maybe im confusing that with Mcdonalds, shit I can't remember now. anyways, I know the first time I had one it had a toy in it, i was probably about three at the time, but I'm perfectly fine. ate it all by myself in the back seat of the car, after all, the commercial showed you to break it open first

anyways, the point of the story, the second time I had one it was the ones with candy inside instead. I got it because I was wandering about in a store, maybe as old as five but I doubt it, pretty sure I was four, anyways I wandered backwards a bit and fell over a stack of boxes, the manager came over in a panic and offered me anything I wanted. at the time I didn't understand only in retrospect do I realize why he offered, but I saw the Wonderball and remember enjoying it before so I got that. even having candy inside it i still broke the ball open first, that's just how you're supposed to eat it

wow, no point to that story, just one of the more vivid memories I have

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RE: Chocolate Confectionery Banned in the USA - 1/1/2013 11:52:56 AM

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The Kinder Surprise, a chocolate egg containing a toy, is banned in the United States, on the grounds of the danger it poses.

Bathe, fellow CM'ers in the fucking irony.

And how many kids has the Kinder Surprise killed? less than guns, no doubt.

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