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RemoteUser -> RE: A thread on moderation (12/23/2012 12:38:57 PM)


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ORIGINAL: VideoAdminChi

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Were people being warned, then pulled, or just pulled? It does make a difference, for the poster and the other readers, to know they have the luxury of a warning instead of just getting yanked. It would be educational, too, as people would see the warning and can learn from it. (Also removes that "but I didn't know!!!" factor.)

There's a current thread on which three mod warnings were given yet people continue to post off topic. Mods often give warnings on threads. However, receiving one gold letter for one issue is not a big deal.

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Now that I think of it, there's the matter of hijacking versus common thread drift.

AFAIK, thread drift has always been ok conceptually, but it's possible (I have no concrete examples of this) that what one person sees as normal drift another views as a hijack.


Yeah, the drift vs hijack was more a food for thought comment than anything. If you can say, what kind of follow-up was there to the warnings handed out on the thread you mentioned? (I have to admit it makes me think of dealing with my son at supper time when he's immersed in some project: "Supper time." "I'm busy!" "You can finish later." "Can't you just wait a minute...??" at which point I walk over to him and help him park his butt at the table [:D])




VideoAdminChi -> RE: A thread on moderation (12/23/2012 1:06:00 PM)

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

25 threads were locked. 9 came from the same individual poster. To steal a line from one of my all time favorite movies (please forgive any errors in quoting from memory);

What we got here is, failure to communicate. Some men, you just can't reach, so you get what we had here last week. Which is the way he wants it. Well, he gets it.

I'd prefer to see an issue as large as gun control discussed from many angles. I'd prefer it not be discussed with hit and run rock throwing, and in such chaos that any hope of continuity is destroyed. We are where we are.


This would be my preference as well, and in fact, when another mod suggested the consolidation a day or two before it happened I did make the argument that the issue was being discussed from many angles. Subsequently, I agreed that it was out of control, and many of you were complaining as well.

In theory (not speaking for the site) I agree that the individual(s) should be addressed rather than the collective. However, there are currently no guidelines about the number of threads a poster can start about one related topic per [time period] so while what happened may have been perceived by many as spam, there was no gold letter I could send.

Shall we have a conversation about this? One thread per topic per poster per day is way too restrictive and unlimited threads per poster at times like this generates many member complaints. So where does the answer lie?




VideoAdminChi -> RE: A thread on moderation (12/23/2012 1:06:39 PM)

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If you can say, what kind of follow-up was there to the warnings handed out on the thread you mentioned?


Supper time [8D]




RemoteUser -> RE: A thread on moderation (12/23/2012 1:19:32 PM)


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ORIGINAL: VideoAdminChi

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If you can say, what kind of follow-up was there to the warnings handed out on the thread you mentioned?


Supper time [8D]


Bill Cosby I am *not*, but I'm glad you enjoyed the moral of the story!

If y'all are good with keeping with things as they are at the individual level, then it's really more about the threads and how they get handled...which other people have already approached amply. I'll wade in if I see a hole in the dyke.

(Wow, that sounded like the worst pick-up line ever.)




tazzygirl -> RE: A thread on moderation (12/23/2012 1:22:25 PM)

Oh no, the worse is... "Kneel bitch!" or any derivative thereof.




RemoteUser -> RE: A thread on moderation (12/23/2012 1:57:43 PM)

So don't use "Descend upon the upper regions of your tibia with the grace of wind and the silence of night, that you might gaze upon the heavenly forms made visible thereto." Got it.




Focus50 -> RE: A thread on moderation (12/23/2012 3:07:45 PM)

Moderation, including an appropriate lack of, is the main reason I've wound back my posting habits over the last year or so.

Those who know me know I don't post much but when I do, I put a bit of time, energy and sincerity into the majority of my posts. And it became tiresome to find some "driveby" seeking attention or whatever resulted in the thread being locked or gutted. The Heather and Hannah "phenomenon" of a year or two ago that had every other poster using "fuck" as their favourite adjective springs immediately to mind.

Ok, I'm not a turner of cheeks but to lose an entire post virtually on subject because of a line or two retort to the driveby was beyond the pale. And then the gold framed email ta boot....

As for the other - a lack of timely moderation...., welllll...., I prefer to just stay out of "Ask a Mistress" altogether, now. Call me paranoid but a forum themed for dommes, the Mods seem to be dommes, well, seems like it's a turkey shoot for any non-domme asking an uncomfortable question (for some).

Actually, don't call me paranoid...! If suggesting placing armed guards in schools (ie, injecting even more guns) to solve America's perpetually burgeoning gun problem is food for thought, then I'm the sanest, most well balanced person on the planet. [:)]

Focus.




sexyred1 -> RE: A thread on moderation (12/23/2012 3:18:17 PM)

I miss the good old days of CM.

Except for MOD 11. :)




Focus50 -> RE: A thread on moderation (12/23/2012 3:28:40 PM)


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ORIGINAL: calamitysandra

Being completely honest, I do not believe that CM will turn around again (not can not, but will not).

That, for me, mainly, leaves the question of where to migrate, as though to stay in touch with those posters whose opinions and viewpoints I have valued over time.

Or, less wordy: Where y'all heading to?


Me, I don't believe it's up to CM or any website to entertain me. That I'll leave here when the time's right for me rather than because of a disruptive few.

Sure, I get pissed off occasionally at certain posters or seemingly overly precious moderation etc, but I've also been around enough to know these things are largely cyclical. The wheel turns....

Focus.




littlewonder -> RE: A thread on moderation (12/23/2012 4:32:03 PM)

There were good ole days here?

Personally I don't feel like it's any different than before. There have always been stages where threads get pulled, threads get lazy, threads go up in count, people come, people go....just depending on the time of year and moods.




Aswad -> RE: A thread on moderation (12/23/2012 5:03:21 PM)

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ORIGINAL: VideoAdminChi

This is an excellent point which I am bringing to VAA's attention.


Glad to hear it. [:)]

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I shall address a number of your other points off line later.


I'm looking forward to it. [:)]

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Appreciated, thank you!


You're cordially welcome, of course.

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Shall we have a conversation about this? One thread per topic per poster per day is way too restrictive and unlimited threads per poster at times like this generates many member complaints. So where does the answer lie?


The answer, to me, seems to lie with "When it gets disruptive", which is, I suppose, another problem with the workload: it makes it hard to participate as a regular user, which probably gives less of a feel for when something is becoming disruptive. As a general rule, if the new threads have good dialogue, they should stay, IMO. We come to this side to talk. If we're having an actual conversation, all is as it should be, essentially. If there's just a lot of posts with no conversation going on, then things aren't where they should be.

The threads by jlf were probably a bit excessive, given his on board comment on a possible manic phase, but I feel that simple rule of thumb pretty well distinguishes between those that were going somewhere and those that weren't, except for the "deal" thread, where nobody got the points he was making; I was making a post on the seven points I could see, in the hopes of salvaging the conversation that could be had, but alas the board was having a hiccupy day, so it got lost. I subsequently incorporated some of those points in other threads, though.

I figure ten per board and thirty total would safeguard plenty against actual spamming and other malice. When there is no malice, the conversation based rule of thumb should probably suffice to disambiguate the unintentional problems from the intentional and beneficial contributions. In my personal opinion, there's no such thing as too much traffic, so long as it's constructive traffic and not a chain collision in eight lanes. Simply put, if the thread isn't worthwhile, it will drop off the front page and be consigned to history, or it will be a flamefest and then it can be pulled, I suppose.

We'll always complain now and again.

The point of moderators, rather than a voting system, is to decide if there really was something to complain about.

My take is, if we're talking, not just flinging digital poop at each other, there's not much to complain about.

IWYW,
— Aswad.




VideoAdminAlpha -> RE: A thread on moderation (12/25/2012 10:00:37 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

Regarding Moderation.

Up to 12 months ago, things went nicely. Something changed last December. Since then, we've had periods of shit and we've had periods of OK. The problem is that a lot of folks are posting with that little "yellow letter fear" in the back of their heads instead of saying what they think.
Sometimes, it gets better for a month or 2 but always comes back.
Seriously folks. This isnt day care.



My apologies(that was sincere, not snarky). One possibility to the time period mentioned is that is when I had my heart attack and others with good intentions had to take the reins in my absence.As a result, over a few months, some things morphed, and when I returned on limited schedule, some things I felt needed to change back. Some of the lines of communications between staff and myself did not function as smoothly as optimally could have been desired.

As to the gun control issue, I will confess, I have not read them, and made my decision when approached about consolidating the threads because I was under the impression ( I am sure due to a misunderstanding on my part) that consolidation was what the majority of posters wanted. In the next day or so, I will be looking at the consolidated thread versus the locked ones, and seeing what can be done to break them back out, without losing any fluidity of responses.

As to the individuals being held more responsible than the collective, I am in total agreement with that, and intend to pay more attention to warnings when given to individuals and whether they are heeded or not, and proper actions if they are not. I will also try to review more of the pulled posts and threads, as I was able to do in the past. The site is growing by leaps and bounds, and I want to see collarchat grow with it. As other areas grow, so do the supervisory responsibilities involved. I am not griping, or trying to make excuses, but will admit that there are other areas that had more of my attention recently, and plan to shift a large portion of that time to the forums. My apologies if anyone feels they have been shortchanged on a removal or letter they feel should have been reviewed. I will try to correct that.

I have not read the rest of this thread more than a few posts past this remark quoted but wanted to let you know my thoughts when I saw it.

Happy Holidays, no matter which ones you may observe![;)]




Level -> RE: A thread on moderation (12/25/2012 10:15:47 PM)

Didn't know you had a heart attack; glad you're doing better!




VideoAdminAlpha -> RE: A thread on moderation (12/25/2012 10:30:07 PM)

Thank you. As I said, I did not intend it to be an excuse, but it may be a partial explanation :)




Level -> RE: A thread on moderation (12/25/2012 10:41:22 PM)

Sounds reasonable to me [:D]




descrite -> RE: A thread on moderation (12/25/2012 10:51:05 PM)


Conversational moderation is perhaps the most thankless task in the world.

In a free forum, it IS the most thankless task in the world.

So: thank you. For giving us a forum like CM.

Moderate as you see fit. It costs me nothing to post here, and I'm glad for the opportunity. Anything you don't want to see, I have no problem with you spiking.




JeffBC -> RE: A thread on moderation (12/25/2012 11:02:56 PM)

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ORIGINAL: VideoAdminAlpha
Thank you. As I said, I did not intend it to be an excuse, but it may be a partial explanation :)

I dunno. I'm not big on excuses myself but I still count "I had a heart attack." as a pretty compelling one :)

To the thread topic I don't have a strong opinion on the moderation here but I do agree that collective punishment is a bad idea. Basically, I'm with Aswad on that point. I was pretty annoyed at the endless stream of gun threads myself. But what was done was infinitely worse than the problem. I could have waited out the gun-mania.

For me personally collarme works fine for the purpose I use it for but unlike Aswad I don't find it well suited for serious, thoughtful conversation so I seldom end up losing significant time the way he reports.




LadyPact -> RE: A thread on moderation (12/26/2012 3:17:41 AM)

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ORIGINAL: VideoAdminAlpha
As to the gun control issue, I will confess, I have not read them, and made my decision when approached about consolidating the threads because I was under the impression ( I am sure due to a misunderstanding on my part) that consolidation was what the majority of posters wanted. In the next day or so, I will be looking at the consolidated thread versus the locked ones, and seeing what can be done to break them back out, without losing any fluidity of responses.
This is just one person's opinion but I am reminded of the old adage of 'you can't put the toothpaste back in the tube'. What you have here is the equivalent to going into at least a half a dozen different rooms where people were talking about various facets of a topic, telling them to hush, or if they still wanted to talk, move themselves to another, singular room. Now people have a flow in that unique room. The better option is to allow the conversation there to continue, rather than try to move people back to where they left off with before they were shut down. Not very much unlike unlocking the thread that was closed for four weeks. Yes, it's great that it's unlocked now. At the same time, it must be noticed that it is buried on page five of the General Discussion board where no one will see it unless it gets necro'd.


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As to the individuals being held more responsible than the collective, I am in total agreement with that, and intend to pay more attention to warnings when given to individuals and whether they are heeded or not, and proper actions if they are not. I will also try to review more of the pulled posts and threads, as I was able to do in the past. The site is growing by leaps and bounds, and I want to see collarchat grow with it. As other areas grow, so do the supervisory responsibilities involved. I am not griping, or trying to make excuses, but will admit that there are other areas that had more of my attention recently, and plan to shift a large portion of that time to the forums. My apologies if anyone feels they have been shortchanged on a removal or letter they feel should have been reviewed. I will try to correct that.
The effort is appreciated. As your average poster, I must say that other areas of the site must be experiencing the growth. The number of new lifestyle related topics has been rather dismal and I would have thought the threads on the Politics, et all, regarding the shootings in CT were generating a significant portion of the forum activity.

Of course, we all understand priorities. The resolution of the server errors was greatly appreciated.


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I have not read the rest of this thread more than a few posts past this remark quoted but wanted to let you know my thoughts when I saw it.

Happy Holidays, no matter which ones you may observe![;)]
Perhaps you will have the opportunity to do so in the next few days. In the meantime, I would like to wish you and yours a happy holiday season.





Rule -> RE: A thread on moderation (12/26/2012 4:25:15 AM)

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ORIGINAL: VideoAdminChi
there are currently no guidelines about the number of threads a poster can start about one related topic per [time period]

And then there is the issue of that specific poster having many sock puppets that are used to support and cheer his own arguments.

He definitely is not fit to rule all of humanity.

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ORIGINAL: VideoAdminChi
Shall we have a conversation about this? One thread per topic per poster per day is way too restrictive and unlimited threads per poster at times like this generates many member complaints. So where does the answer lie?

Maybe send him a friendly request to cool it?




VideoAdminAlpha -> RE: A thread on moderation (12/26/2012 8:12:14 AM)


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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

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ORIGINAL: VideoAdminAlpha
As to the gun control issue, I will confess, I have not read them, and made my decision when approached about consolidating the threads because I was under the impression ( I am sure due to a misunderstanding on my part) that consolidation was what the majority of posters wanted. In the next day or so, I will be looking at the consolidated thread versus the locked ones, and seeing what can be done to break them back out, without losing any fluidity of responses.
This is just one person's opinion but I am reminded of the old adage of 'you can't put the toothpaste back in the tube'. What you have here is the equivalent to going into at least a half a dozen different rooms where people were talking about various facets of a topic, telling them to hush, or if they still wanted to talk, move themselves to another, singular room. Now people have a flow in that unique room. The better option is to allow the conversation there to continue, rather than try to move people back to where they left off with before they were shut down. Not very much unlike unlocking the thread that was closed for four weeks. Yes, it's great that it's unlocked now. At the same time, it must be noticed that it is buried on page five of the General Discussion board where no one will see it unless it gets necro'd.


SInce I am of the same opinion as you, but as administrator try to make everyone happy never said I was going to close that thread but in fact open some of the others back up so that those could post on it that wanted to. Did you post on the thread? If so, you also will have a choice on where to post. Other posters that have a different opinion on what should happen with the thread will be able to make a choice just as you will. Thank you for your input however, as I value your opinion [:)]

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As to the individuals being held more responsible than the collective, I am in total agreement with that, and intend to pay more attention to warnings when given to individuals and whether they are heeded or not, and proper actions if they are not. I will also try to review more of the pulled posts and threads, as I was able to do in the past. The site is growing by leaps and bounds, and I want to see collarchat grow with it. As other areas grow, so do the supervisory responsibilities involved. I am not griping, or trying to make excuses, but will admit that there are other areas that had more of my attention recently, and plan to shift a large portion of that time to the forums. My apologies if anyone feels they have been shortchanged on a removal or letter they feel should have been reviewed. I will try to correct that.
The effort is appreciated. As your average poster, I must say that other areas of the site must be experiencing the growth. The number of new lifestyle related topics has been rather dismal and I would have thought the threads on the Politics, et all, regarding the shootings in CT were generating a significant portion of the forum activity.

Of course, we all understand priorities. The resolution of the server errors was greatly appreciated.


Again, you are correct. If the server kept having errors, it would not do a lot of good to have more growth quickly. In addition, the huge membership fee revenue total has an effect on staff. As you know, are volunteers, and most of us on staff unfortunately have to also put in time at income producing employment. It would be nice if there was other income in our households, but most of us do not have that benefit, but have to work ourselves. Addressing the specific subject of forum membership/growth there are plans ,however, that were put on the back burner a bit but I think now has the kinks worked out of it. It is an awesome idea to increase forum posters, and there are several site members that have been waiting patiently while the kinks were ironed out, and hopefully, by, the first of the year, that plan will be unveiled.The fact they are all volunteers like the staff is awesome, because they are offering their time. As you know, unfortunately, there are those that volunteer, then don't like the policies ( I guess they thought they would be able to change them once on the inside since some because of their personalities are used to having others agree with their methods and adopt them) ,or under the veil of anonymity find they do not enjoy the same level of user likability/respect expressed as when they are under their regular nick which has its own well known reputation. Remembering that the staff are volunteers and this was the holidays, it is understandable they might put in a little less time to be with their families. As far as the lack of topics, that is up to you(the generic you) to have topics. If there is a noticeable dearth of them( and I agree) then please help by starting topics. With your knowledge, there is a wealth of topics that could be started and discussed. That would help the problem that you have acknowledged with subject matter.


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I have not read the rest of this thread more than a few posts past this remark quoted but wanted to let you know my thoughts when I saw it.

Happy Holidays, no matter which ones you may observe![;)]
Perhaps you will have the opportunity to do so in the next few days. In the meantime, I would like to wish you and yours a happy holiday season.



THank you for your well wishes. I plan to catch up in a lot of areas, including being more visible and vocal here. Thank you for posting many suggestions for me to gain insight from and be able to respond to with suggestions how users can personally help collarchat grow. It will grow much more quickly with users like you taking the time to open topics and spread your knowledge to others.[;)]

I apologize in advance for any typos if any. Im off to another area but wanted to answer this post when I saw it.




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