Collarspace Discussion Forums


Home  Login  Search 

RE: How much responsibility do we bear for our own and our children's health?


View related threads: (in this forum | in all forums)

Logged in as: Guest
 
All Forums >> [Casual Banter] >> Off the Grid >> RE: How much responsibility do we bear for our own and our children's health? Page: <<   < prev  1 2 3 [4]
Login
Message << Older Topic   Newer Topic >>
RE: How much responsibility do we bear for our own and ... - 12/25/2012 6:38:20 AM   
kalikshama


Posts: 14805
Joined: 8/8/2010
Status: offline
quote:

I just felt completely attacked with people inferring that my girl eats Lucky Charms and chocolate milk every single day, which was never even suggested.


Without re-reading the thread, I don't think anyone suggested that. There's been debate whether it can be allowed as an occasional treat. I said I wouldn't have allowed it in the house in the first place.

_____________________________

Curious about the "Sluts Vote" avatars? See http://www.collarchat.com/m_4133036/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm#4133036

(in reply to yourdarkdesire)
Profile   Post #: 61
RE: How much responsibility do we bear for our own and ... - 12/25/2012 6:49:34 AM   
kalikshama


Posts: 14805
Joined: 8/8/2010
Status: offline
quote:

Now, we count carbohydrates. It is an incredibly simpler system.


I think it is extremely short sighted for medical recommendations to focus on the total carbs rather than the quality of the carbs. However, I realize that a system that feels too complicated will have less compliance.

When I was diagnosed in '99 I made a lot of lifestyle changes and was grateful to have my whole grain, organic childhood to call on.

All calories are not created equal

By MARK BITTMAN

One of the challenges of arguing that hyperprocessed carbohydrates are largely responsible for the obesity pandemic ("epidemic" is no longer a strong enough word, say many experts) is the notion that "a calorie is a calorie."

Accept that, and you buy into the contention that consuming 100 calories' worth of sugar water (like Coke or Gatorade), white bread or French fries is the same as eating 100 calories of broccoli or beans. And Big Food - which has little interest in selling broccoli or beans - would have you believe that if you expend enough energy to work off those 100 calories, it simply doesn't matter.

There's an increasing body of evidence, however, that calories from highly processed carbohydrates like white flour (and of course sugar) provide calories that the body treats differently, spiking both blood sugar and insulin and causing us to retain fat instead of burning it off.

In other words, all calories are not alike.

You might need a little background here: To differentiate "bad" carbs from "good," scientists use the term "glycemic index" (or "load") to express the effect of the carbs on blood sugar. High glycemic diets cause problems by dramatically increasing blood sugar and insulin after meals; low glycemic diets don't. Highly processed carbohydrates (even highly processed whole grains, like instant oatmeal and fluffy whole-grain breads) tend to make for higher glycemic diets; less processed grains, fruits, non-starchy vegetables, legumes and nuts - along with fat and protein - make for a lower glycemic diet.

A new study published Tuesday in the Journal of the American Medical Association adds powerfully to the notion that low glycemic diets are the way forward. (Or, actually, backward, since the low glycemic diet is largely traditional.) The work took place at the New Balance Foundation Obesity Prevention Center of Boston Children's Hospital, and looked at people's ability to maintain weight loss, which is far more difficult than losing weight. (Few people maintain even a small portion of their weight loss after dieting.) To do this, the researchers - led by the center's associate director Cara Ebbeling and director David Ludwig - put three groups of people on diets to lose 10 to 15 percent of their body weight.

They then assigned each of the dieters, in random order, to follow four weeks each of three diets with the same number of calories.

1. One was a standard low-fat diet: 60 percent carbohydrates - with an emphasis on fruits, vegetables and whole grains (but not unprocessed ones) - 20 percent from protein and 20 percent from fat. This is the low-fat diet that has been reigning "wisdom" for the last 30 years or more.

2. Another was an ultra-low-carb diet (for convenience, we'll call this "Atkins"), of 10 percent of calories from carbs, 60 percent from fat and 30 percent from protein.

3. And the third was a low glycemic diet, with 40 percent carbs - minimally processed grains, fruit, vegetables and legumes - 40 percent fat and 20 percent protein.

The results were impressive. Those on the "Atkins" diet burned 350 calories more per day - the equivalent of an hour of moderate exercise - than those on the standard low-fat diet. Those on the low-glycemic diet burned 150 calories more [than those on the standard low-fat diet], roughly equivalent to an hour of light exercise.

Three conclusions you can draw on the face of this: One is that the kind of calories you eat does matter. Two, as Ludwig concludes, is that "the low-fat diet that has been the primary approach for more than a generation is actually the worst for most outcomes, with the worst effects on insulin resistance, triglycerides and HDL, or good cholesterol." And three, we should all be eating an "Atkins" diet.

But not so fast; the "Atkins" diet also had marked problems. It raised levels of CRP (c-reactive protein), which is a measure of chronic inflammation, and cortisol, a hormone that mediates stress. "Both of these," says Ludwig, "are tightly linked to long term-heart risk and mortality."

His conclusion, then? "The 'Atkins' diet gives you the biggest metabolic benefit initially, but there are long-term downsides, and in practice, people have trouble sticking to low-carb diets. Over the long term, the low-glycemic diet appears to work the best, because you don't have to eliminate an entire class of nutrients, which our research suggests is not only hard from a psychological perspective but may be wrong from a biological perspective."

Almost every diet, from the radical no-carb-at-all notions to the tame (and sane) "Healthy Eating Plate" from Harvard, agrees on at least this notion: reduce, or even come close to eliminating, the amount of hyper-processed carbohydrates in your diet, because, quite simply, they're bad for you. And if you look at statistics, at least a quarter of our calories come from added sugars (seven percent from beverages alone), white flour, white rice, white pasta are you seeing a pattern here? (Oh, and white potatoes. And beer.)

So what's Ludwig's overall advice? "It's time to reacquaint ourselves with minimally processed carbs. If you take three servings of refined carbohydrates and substitute one of fruit, one of beans and one of nuts, you could eliminate 50 percent of diet-related disease in the United States. These relatively modest changes can provide great benefit."

The message is pretty simple: unprocessed foods give you a better chance of idealizing your weight - and your health. Because all calories are not created equal.


_____________________________

Curious about the "Sluts Vote" avatars? See http://www.collarchat.com/m_4133036/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm#4133036

(in reply to yourdarkdesire)
Profile   Post #: 62
RE: How much responsibility do we bear for our own and ... - 12/25/2012 6:50:10 AM   
JstAnotherSub


Posts: 6174
Status: offline
It was done on the thread that inspired this one. I thought it had been removed, but, I looked again and see that I was mistaken.

Good for it being left for all to see.

< Message edited by JstAnotherSub -- 12/25/2012 6:54:49 AM >


_____________________________

yep

(in reply to kalikshama)
Profile   Post #: 63
RE: How much responsibility do we bear for our own and ... - 12/25/2012 7:43:50 AM   
MariaB


Posts: 2969
Joined: 4/3/2007
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: needlesandpins

i think people in this thread are getting a bit het up and taking stuff far too personally.

for a start there is a huge difference between a child that has real/serious food allergies/problems, and a child that is allowed to just be a brat about what they eat.

i don't think anyone is against any child having things in moderation, however some parents are just down right fucking lazy when it comes to feeding. there are some parents i could happily punch for the shit they put in their kids. as i've said before, kids ruling the parent is as bad as allowing a dog to rule the roost. set boundaries and stick to them. parents often give in to their kids for an easy life, but all it does is create a greater issue.

needles


I'm not getting het up or taking things personally needles. I'm stating a fact of why my son was raised on shite food and the guilt I felt from seeing what he put in his mouth. I can't tell you how many friends told me they would just insist he ate well or not at all but they were not the ones raising him. They really didn't have a clue just how difficult things were. I'm sure many a person would of liked to punch me when they saw what my son was consuming

As for raising our healthy kids on processed fast food and then wondering why they have ADD or other health conditions, I think its a mixture of lack of education and laziness. I also think that a lot of young mothers just can't cook.

(in reply to needlesandpins)
Profile   Post #: 64
RE: How much responsibility do we bear for our own and ... - 12/25/2012 8:07:40 AM   
DesFIP


Posts: 25191
Joined: 11/25/2007
From: Apple County NY
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: needlesandpins


for a start there is a huge difference between a child that has real/serious food allergies/problems, and a child that is allowed to just be a brat about what they eat.


needles


How do you, as an onlooker, know the difference?

Beyond this is the fact that children who do not have their ownership of their body respected are more likely to be sexually abused. So when you force a kid to eat something they dislike and then expect them to tell you when someone has committed 'bad touch' on them, it's a joke because you're the one committing the bad touch on a daily basis.

I'd much rather a child ate only raw zucchini and carrots and no cabbage family than be abused while feeling they had to take it because I was the one that disrespected whose body it was. And yes, there have been studies showing the relationship between.

I also don't want a child who develops eating disorders as a result of fighting over food. Girls whose parents believed they had to be thin and sexually attracted and therefore were not allowed dessert while their brothers were tend to grow up with food hoarding issues, morbid obesity etc. Not to mention that parents assessing a kid as sexually attractive is creepy to begin with, but that's a whole different issue causing lots of other future problems.


_____________________________

Slave to laundry

Cynical and proud of it!


(in reply to needlesandpins)
Profile   Post #: 65
RE: How much responsibility do we bear for our own and ... - 12/25/2012 9:21:16 AM   
tj444


Posts: 7574
Joined: 3/7/2010
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: littlewonder
It was not easy but it was healthier for me and to be honest, after the first few months, it got easier and easier to the point where I didn't need to read the packages as much because I already had in my mind what the numbers are from past buying and eating.

People need to be careful with those darn sneeky food corps tho.. they can and do change their recipes/formulas from time to time.. I found that out when a certain Kashi cereal i used to buy did that.. it almost halved the protein and I think added more sugar to that cereal.. and it was a very easy change to miss.. they slyly only changed the numbers on the box and if it had not been for the 3 large circles with the numbers (for protein, sugar, fiber), I would have missed it also.. I no longer buy Kashi cuz I found out they had been sold (which is why the recipe & numbers changed) and I no longer had any trust in their products (no matter what their advertising tries to claim)..


_____________________________

As Anderson Cooper said “If he (Trump) took a dump on his desk, you would defend it”

(in reply to littlewonder)
Profile   Post #: 66
RE: How much responsibility do we bear for our own and ... - 12/25/2012 10:35:51 AM   
calamitysandra


Posts: 1682
Joined: 3/17/2006
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: kalikshama

quote:

I just felt completely attacked with people inferring that my girl eats Lucky Charms and chocolate milk every single day, which was never even suggested.


Without re-reading the thread, I don't think anyone suggested that. There's been debate whether it can be allowed as an occasional treat. I said I wouldn't have allowed it in the house in the first place.



I prefer to taboo as little as possible, I do not think it effective in the long run.
Teaching about occasional indulgence is, to me, an important part of teaching to eat healthy.

_____________________________

"Whenever people are laughing, they are generally not killing one another"
Alan Alda


(in reply to kalikshama)
Profile   Post #: 67
RE: How much responsibility do we bear for our own and ... - 12/25/2012 1:47:18 PM   
kalikshama


Posts: 14805
Joined: 8/8/2010
Status: offline
Oh, I indulge, but my palate considers artificial flavors disgusting, not a treat.

_____________________________

Curious about the "Sluts Vote" avatars? See http://www.collarchat.com/m_4133036/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm#4133036

(in reply to calamitysandra)
Profile   Post #: 68
RE: How much responsibility do we bear for our own and ... - 12/25/2012 3:42:34 PM   
needlesandpins


Posts: 3901
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: DesFIP


quote:

ORIGINAL: needlesandpins


for a start there is a huge difference between a child that has real/serious food allergies/problems, and a child that is allowed to just be a brat about what they eat.


needles


How do you, as an onlooker, know the difference?

Beyond this is the fact that children who do not have their ownership of their body respected are more likely to be sexually abused. So when you force a kid to eat something they dislike and then expect them to tell you when someone has committed 'bad touch' on them, it's a joke because you're the one committing the bad touch on a daily basis.

I'd much rather a child ate only raw zucchini and carrots and no cabbage family than be abused while feeling they had to take it because I was the one that disrespected whose body it was. And yes, there have been studies showing the relationship between.

I also don't want a child who develops eating disorders as a result of fighting over food. Girls whose parents believed they had to be thin and sexually attracted and therefore were not allowed dessert while their brothers were tend to grow up with food hoarding issues, morbid obesity etc. Not to mention that parents assessing a kid as sexually attractive is creepy to begin with, but that's a whole different issue causing lots of other future problems.



i'm sorry but alot of what you have put there is total bollocks. and that is coming from an abused child who was not allowed to be a brat about what i ate.

i have worked with alot of kids and generally it's damn easy to see a child who's parents give in for an easy life. it's easy to see exactly from the way the child behaves.

i work with difficult horses. horses that often have their problems before the current owner buys them. i can tell you exactly how these problems have come about just from reading how the horse behaves around people. i don't need to own that horse or have even worked with it for many years. just as with children, there are differences that you can see just by how a situation goes down.

i think that some people in this thread ought to look up a program called super nanny. she is from the UK, but has also worked with families in the USA. one such child only ate bisuits and party mix claiming that everything made him sick and god knows what else. it was all bull which is what i told my son right at the start of the program. he dictated, paddied until his mother gave in, and then paddied harder when they tried to change things.

at the end of the program he was eating loads of stuff he'd said made him sick and so on.

there is a difference, and if you are trained you can spot it a mile off.

now, as an abuse victim please don't fix one thing that may have happened to a person on all abuse victims. it's bullshit. the reason i didn't tell anyone had nothing to do with what i was told to eat. it had everything to do with knowing i wouldn't be believed in the first place, and the shit the abuser told me.

needles

< Message edited by needlesandpins -- 12/25/2012 3:45:16 PM >


_____________________________

I deserved better. Not than you, but from you.

(in reply to DesFIP)
Profile   Post #: 69
Page:   <<   < prev  1 2 3 [4]
All Forums >> [Casual Banter] >> Off the Grid >> RE: How much responsibility do we bear for our own and our children's health? Page: <<   < prev  1 2 3 [4]
Jump to:





New Messages No New Messages
Hot Topic w/ New Messages Hot Topic w/o New Messages
Locked w/ New Messages Locked w/o New Messages
 Post New Thread
 Reply to Message
 Post New Poll
 Submit Vote
 Delete My Own Post
 Delete My Own Thread
 Rate Posts




Collarchat.com © 2025
Terms of Service Privacy Policy Spam Policy

0.078