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wrong he is doing nothing wrong or illegal and puting a gun owner in the same class as a sex offender is inulting

read the threads on guns, it is quite clear for many people guns act as a penis extension, a sex toy, an aphrodisiac, a man badge. It is clear guns for many people are a sexual fetish.

that is like saying that everyone who practices any kind of kink should be listed with sex offenders what are you doing on cm?

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ORIGINAL: SilverMark
If you have to carry a gun to feel secure, doesn't it tell you just how insecure you are? Does the idea that you would have to carry a gun not worry you about the depth of issues we have as a society? Lord knows, we wouldn't want to fuck with your ability to carry a gun, what's another threat to society as long as you claim to be a "responsible gun owner"....Right?

47% of American adults are estimated to own a firearm. Turns out, that's about one-third of all Americans. (Source) How many gun owners are not out murdering, killing, or in any way being a "threat to society?"

If you choose to own a gun, I have no problem with that. If you choose to not own a gun, I have no problem with that. Would you really feel safer if there were no legal means to carry/own a gun? If so, how would that make you safer? If someone is going to attack, murder, harm, etc. someone, do you think that either a) not being able to get a gun is going to stop them, or b) not legally being able to get a gun is going to stop them from getting a gun and using it, is true?

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
Lanza didn't own a gun. He took his mother's. I believe I read somewhere that he was denied a firearm in the week or two preceding his event (only calling it an event to not further sensationalize it). Personally, I have no problem with background checks being required, though I might take issue with some of the flags in a check that disqualify (don't know what all disqualifies, so I can't say as I do disagree, nor that I don't). Lanza shot hundreds of rounds, using 30 round clips. More than likely, he might have been able to squeeze off 90% of what he did if he used 10 round clips, assuming he carried the necessary # of clips to do so. But, again, I don't have a problem with limiting it to 10 round clips, with the obvious caveat that all's fair during the Zombie Apocalypse.

Banning all guns isn't going to stop people from owning guns illegally. It's only going to stop people from owning guns legally. As the vast majority of gun owners (remember, 1/3 of the US population owns a gun) aren't using them in to kill other humans, you will be limiting a shit ton more law abiding Citizens than not.

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and quite frankly, if someone does want to harm me, I at least have a fighting chance to escape and survive if its not a bullet (which I can't outrun)..

And, if someone sneaks up on you and sticks a shiv through your chest, you'll likely die a much slower and more painful death than had you been shot in the chest.

What happened in the US when we made alcohol illegal? Did that stop us from drinking alcohol? Sure as hell didn't. It just made some law abiding Citizens criminals. It stopped some, but those who really wanted to drink, did. Helluva racket for them Italians, too.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
I have arthrites in both ankles both knees and both hips I would have no choice but to stand and fight and I can still outshoot most cops

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No Lanza stole the guns he used but legal gun owners seem to make that very easy for the nutbars..

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That doesnt happen so easily where I come from, there arent as many guns and also the culture is different.. And too, I didnt fear someone sneaking up on me with a shiv, again, its a different culture there.. People are actually much more likely to commit suicide by gun than murder there (I think the numbers were 3.7 suicides to 0.7 murders by gun)..
Its actually a nice feeling, to not have to always look at everyone you meet as someone out to kill you, etc..

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: SilverMark
If you have to carry a gun to feel secure, doesn't it tell you just how insecure you are? Does the idea that you would have to carry a gun not worry you about the depth of issues we have as a society? Lord knows, we wouldn't want to fuck with your ability to carry a gun, what's another threat to society as long as you claim to be a "responsible gun owner"....Right?

47% of American adults are estimated to own a firearm. Turns out, that's about one-third of all Americans. (Source) How many gun owners are not out murdering, killing, or in any way being a "threat to society?"
If you choose to own a gun, I have no problem with that. If you choose to not own a gun, I have no problem with that. Would you really feel safer if there were no legal means to carry/own a gun? If so, how would that make you safer? If someone is going to attack, murder, harm, etc. someone, do you think that either a) not being able to get a gun is going to stop them, or b) not legally being able to get a gun is going to stop them from getting a gun and using it, is true?

the problem is that you dont know who is who, which gun owner is gonna go bezerk cuz he's had a bad day.. Where I am from, I did not have to worry about that..

Lanza didn't own a gun. He took his mother's. I believe I read somewhere that he was denied a firearm in the week or two preceding his event (only calling it an event to not further sensationalize it). Personally, I have no problem with background checks being required, though I might take issue with some of the flags in a check that disqualify (don't know what all disqualifies, so I can't say as I do disagree, nor that I don't). Lanza shot hundreds of rounds, using 30 round clips. More than likely, he might have been able to squeeze off 90% of what he did if he used 10 round clips, assuming he carried the necessary # of clips to do so. But, again, I don't have a problem with limiting it to 10 round clips, with the obvious caveat that all's fair during the Zombie Apocalypse.

Banning all guns isn't going to stop people from owning guns illegally. It's only going to stop people from owning guns legally. As the vast majority of gun owners (remember, 1/3 of the US population owns a gun) aren't using them in to kill other humans, you will be limiting a shit ton more law abiding Citizens than not.

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and quite frankly, if someone does want to harm me, I at least have a fighting chance to escape and survive if its not a bullet (which I can't outrun)..

And, if someone sneaks up on you and sticks a shiv through your chest, you'll likely die a much slower and more painful death than had you been shot in the chest.

What happened in the US when we made alcohol illegal? Did that stop us from drinking alcohol? Sure as hell didn't. It just made some law abiding Citizens criminals. It stopped some, but those who really wanted to drink, did. Helluva racket for them Italians, too.

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I have arthrites in both ankles both knees and both hips I would have no choice but to stand and fight and I can still outshoot most cops

I have short stubby girl legs but I would still try.. you dont actually need a gun imo, a taser would work just as well as a gun

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I got mugged once there were two of them a taser would only infuriate them, thats why I carry a gun

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No Lanza stole the guns he used but legal gun owners seem to make that very easy for the nutbars..

So says you. You don't know what he went through to steal them from his mother.

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That doesnt happen so easily where I come from, there arent as many guns and also the culture is different.. And too, I didnt fear someone sneaking up on me with a shiv, again, its a different culture there.. People are actually much more likely to commit suicide by gun than murder there (I think the numbers were 3.7 suicides to 0.7 murders by gun)..
Its actually a nice feeling, to not have to always look at everyone you meet as someone out to kill you, etc..

This is exactly why things that work in one country (or even in one particular State in the USA) won't necessarily work in another. I've made that argument before and got no acceptance of my assertion. But, it's damn true.

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I got mugged once there were two of them a taser would only infuriate them, thats why I carry a gun

you can buy a taser that has 3 jolts, you could have stopped them long enough to get away and call the cops..

I find it amazing that the US tries to get tourists to visit.. if the locals feel so unsafe that they must carry handguns everywhere, why should anyone travel here?

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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No Lanza stole the guns he used but legal gun owners seem to make that very easy for the nutbars..

So says you. You don't know what he went through to steal them from his mother.

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That doesnt happen so easily where I come from, there arent as many guns and also the culture is different.. And too, I didnt fear someone sneaking up on me with a shiv, again, its a different culture there.. People are actually much more likely to commit suicide by gun than murder there (I think the numbers were 3.7 suicides to 0.7 murders by gun)..
Its actually a nice feeling, to not have to always look at everyone you meet as someone out to kill you, etc..

This is exactly why things that work in one country (or even in one particular State in the USA) won't necessarily work in another. I've made that argument before and got no acceptance of my assertion. But, it's damn true.

I am guessing it was not that hard for him to steal those guns since he shot her while she was in bed.. she likely didnt even hear anything..

I agree with you that there are different cultures, but you have to have the will to change yours to become a safer country, in addition to changing the laws so the most dangerous guns arent sold to everyone (except the few that are restricted from buying them).. I am not for 100% gun control, I do think that someone in the country and farmers should be able to have a rifle.. I dont agree with handguns and I dont agree with bushmasters and those types of guns..

But that is just my opinion and what you do in your country is up to Americans.. I wont live in Mexico or even visit that country cuz of the violence there and imo, the US is heading that way too...

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We are also the highest homcide by guns rate in the world.

As usual, you're full of shit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

We're #10

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I got mugged once there were two of them a taser would only infuriate them, thats why I carry a gun

you can buy a taser that has 3 jolts, you could have stopped them long enough to get away and call the cops..

I find it amazing that the US tries to get tourists to visit.. if the locals feel so unsafe that they must carry handguns everywhere, why should anyone travel here?

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
I got mugged once there were two of them a taser would only infuriate them, thats why I carry a gun

you can buy a taser that has 3 jolts, you could have stopped them long enough to get away and call the cops..

I find it amazing that the US tries to get tourists to visit.. if the locals feel so unsafe that they must carry handguns everywhere, why should anyone travel here?

Do you really think that you can make 3 solid strikes on 3 opponents from arms length with a taser without dying in the process?

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
Lanza didn't own a gun. He took his mother's. I believe I read somewhere that he was denied a firearm in the week or two preceding his event (only calling it an event to not further sensationalize it). Personally, I have no problem with background checks being required, though I might take issue with some of the flags in a check that disqualify (don't know what all disqualifies, so I can't say as I do disagree, nor that I don't). Lanza shot hundreds of rounds, using 30 round clips. More than likely, he might have been able to squeeze off 90% of what he did if he used 10 round clips, assuming he carried the necessary # of clips to do so. But, again, I don't have a problem with limiting it to 10 round clips, with the obvious caveat that all's fair during the Zombie Apocalypse.

Banning all guns isn't going to stop people from owning guns illegally. It's only going to stop people from owning guns legally. As the vast majority of gun owners (remember, 1/3 of the US population owns a gun) aren't using them in to kill other humans, you will be limiting a shit ton more law abiding Citizens than not.

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and quite frankly, if someone does want to harm me, I at least have a fighting chance to escape and survive if its not a bullet (which I can't outrun)..

And, if someone sneaks up on you and sticks a shiv through your chest, you'll likely die a much slower and more painful death than had you been shot in the chest.

What happened in the US when we made alcohol illegal? Did that stop us from drinking alcohol? Sure as hell didn't. It just made some law abiding Citizens criminals. It stopped some, but those who really wanted to drink, did. Helluva racket for them Italians, too.

No Lanza stole the guns he used but legal gun owners seem to make that very easy for the nutbars.. That doesnt happen so easily where I come from, there arent as many guns and also the culture is different.. And too, I didnt fear someone sneaking up on me with a shiv, again, its a different culture there.. People are actually much more likely to commit suicide by gun than murder there (I think the numbers were 3.7 suicides to 0.7 murders by gun)..

Its actually a nice feeling, to not have to always look at everyone you meet as someone out to kill you, etc..

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A news Article say Lanza Mother was a gun enthusiast, she took Adam with her to various gun activities.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/16/nyregion/friends-of-gunmans-mother-his-first-victim-recall-her-as-generous.html?_r=0

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ORIGINAL: SilverMark
If you have to carry a gun to feel secure, doesn't it tell you just how insecure you are? Does the idea that you would have to carry a gun not worry you about the depth of issues we have as a society? Lord knows, we wouldn't want to fuck with your ability to carry a gun, what's another threat to society as long as you claim to be a "responsible gun owner"....Right?

47% of American adults are estimated to own a firearm. Turns out, that's about one-third of all Americans. (Source) How many gun owners are not out murdering, killing, or in any way being a "threat to society?"

If you choose to own a gun, I have no problem with that. If you choose to not own a gun, I have no problem with that. Would you really feel safer if there were no legal means to carry/own a gun? If so, how would that make you safer? If someone is going to attack, murder, harm, etc. someone, do you think that either a) not being able to get a gun is going to stop them, or b) not legally being able to get a gun is going to stop them from getting a gun and using it, is true?

As I have pointed out before, studies show we are the leading Nation in firearms in the public sector. We are also in the top 10 Countries with the high crime rate. We are also the highest homcide by guns rate in the world.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2012/12/us-gun-ownership-homicide-rate-higher-than-other-developed-countries/

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
Lanza didn't own a gun. He took his mother's. I believe I read somewhere that he was denied a firearm in the week or two preceding his event (only calling it an event to not further sensationalize it). Personally, I have no problem with background checks being required, though I might take issue with some of the flags in a check that disqualify (don't know what all disqualifies, so I can't say as I do disagree, nor that I don't). Lanza shot hundreds of rounds, using 30 round clips. More than likely, he might have been able to squeeze off 90% of what he did if he used 10 round clips, assuming he carried the necessary # of clips to do so. But, again, I don't have a problem with limiting it to 10 round clips, with the obvious caveat that all's fair during the Zombie Apocalypse.

Banning all guns isn't going to stop people from owning guns illegally. It's only going to stop people from owning guns legally. As the vast majority of gun owners (remember, 1/3 of the US population owns a gun) aren't using them in to kill other humans, you will be limiting a shit ton more law abiding Citizens than not.

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and quite frankly, if someone does want to harm me, I at least have a fighting chance to escape and survive if its not a bullet (which I can't outrun)..

And, if someone sneaks up on you and sticks a shiv through your chest, you'll likely die a much slower and more painful death than had you been shot in the chest.

What happened in the US when we made alcohol illegal? Did that stop us from drinking alcohol? Sure as hell didn't. It just made some law abiding Citizens criminals. It stopped some, but those who really wanted to drink, did. Helluva racket for them Italians, too.

No Lanza stole the guns he used but legal gun owners seem to make that very easy for the nutbars.. That doesnt happen so easily where I come from, there arent as many guns and also the culture is different.. And too, I didnt fear someone sneaking up on me with a shiv, again, its a different culture there.. People are actually much more likely to commit suicide by gun than murder there (I think the numbers were 3.7 suicides to 0.7 murders by gun)..

Its actually a nice feeling, to not have to always look at everyone you meet as someone out to kill you, etc..

A news Article say Lanza Mother was a gun enthusiast, she took Adam with her to various gun activities.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/16/nyregion/friends-of-gunmans-mother-his-first-victim-recall-her-as-generous.html?_r=0

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Even if we are 10th... consider that we are the third largest by population anyway. Hell, that's not bad either way.