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ORIGINAL: TreasureKY

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ORIGINAL: VideoAdminAlpha

If you try to say that a moderator should not post at all except as a moderator with their duties... Or should they not have posted while they were moderators?

VAA, I cannot speak for LaTigresse's intent, but what I meant was that when XI posted under his/her mod account, it was for moderation purposes and mostly in a no nonsense manner. There were no hugs and kisses, welcome backs to members who'd been gone, sexual innuendo, game participation or chit chat with other posters. There were no special name tags awarded.

XI might have had favorites, might have given some special passes, and might have used his/her power to promote an agenda... I don't know. But that is the point. There were no outward signs that XI was anything but there to keep the kiddies in line.

I think that if a mod continues to post and participate in the forum under his/her regular account, that is great... as long as their identity as a mod remains secret and they do not participate in threads they are moderating.

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ORIGINAL: VideoAdminChi

... when I asked that people who had received gold letters in the past three months for such that were not in P&R and not after a mod warning on the thread to forward these to me so that I could add this to the documentation ... the result was a resounding silence...

Chi, possibly the reason you didn't receive a lot of response (if any) is because once a post or thread is gone, we no longer have access to or record of it. That was my first thought when I read your request, and when Firm read it, he said the same thing.

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ORIGINAL: VideoAdminChi

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

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ORIGINAL: VideoAdminChi

when I asked that people who had received gold letters in the past three months for such that were not in P&R and not after a mod warning on the thread to forward these to me so that I could add this to the documentation, which currently does not support moderation for off topic or thread drift, the result was a resounding silence,

We can't forward or refer to something that we no longer have access to.
For us mortals, when something gets pulled, it's GONE more thoroughly than the turkey in A Christmas Story. Even the heavely aroma isn't there any more.

I'm asking for the gold letters any posters rec'd in their CMail that meets all of this criteria:

- in the last three months
- for off topic or thread drift
- not in P&R and not after a mod warning on the thread

Please send to my CMail so Alpha and I can compare the documentation created with the letters received and see if there are any discrepancies or flaws in our system.

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

Treasure, you hit the nail on the head exactly.

I don't feel there should be any identifier as to who a mod is. Not even as one mod has in their sig line. Something about being on perma loan from a regular poster. That alludes to the idea that it is a wife/sub/slave of that poster and therefor, back to what I was discussing.

Mods should be anonymous. Otherwise, why the hell even bother with a separate account for them????

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ORIGINAL: TreasureKY

One small comment to needlesandpins....

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ORIGINAL: VideoAdminChi

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have you never thought that maybe it's that persons actions you should be moderating, and not the people that call them out on it?

Please use the Report Post feature on this side or the various Report buttons on the other side.

I may be wrong, but I believe the point you might be missing is that it is not the job of posters to call out or correct other posters behavior. If another poster is behaving badly enough to bother you, report it to the admins (who DO have that job). Otherwise, just ignore them.

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ORIGINAL: VideoAdminChi
I'm asking for the gold letters any posters rec'd in their CMail that meets all of this criteria:

- in the last three months
- for off topic or thread drift
- not in P&R and not after a mod warning on the thread

Please send to my CMail so Alpha and I can compare the documentation created with the letters received and see if there are any discrepancies or flaws in our system.

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A lot of the time, a post just disappears and there's no letter. I'm pretty sure that most of the ones that disappear are for quoting something that violates TOS but who can be sure.

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ORIGINAL: needlesandpins

the point is that if in a thread someone posts something that shows them to be acting like a hypocrite then we should have the right to say so. it's no a personal attack it's a statement of truth. the facts as they stand show you to be behaving like a hypocrite. now if that person can show they are not being that way very easily then why not just do so. however, if that person chooses not to, and there is evidence that supports that they are being a hypocrite while they continue to support the notion, then you should have every right to call them a hypocrite, just like you would in real life. it is not a personal attack, it's a statement of truth. there is a difference.

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or do i go running to teacher to whine about it? as i said before, who the hell am i going to go to in real life when i speak to real people and they act a certain way? where is the report button in real life?

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we are adults on an adult site. if you can't stand being told you are acting a certain way then don't. simple. if you are so fragile that you don't like what others say just move on to something more fluffy. if it's someone else's debate either state your point in the thread or mind your own business and let them get on with it.

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there has been a comment made to me a couple of pages back that insinuates quite alot without anything to substanciate what has been written. so what do i do about it? report it just because that person doesn't agree with me. report it because it's a personal comment based on something they can't even back up? report it because i don't agree with them?

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or do i just think 'whatever sweetheart, when you can come at me with something to even remotely back up what you just said i'll take you seriously'

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i've gone for the latter. i know what i am in here and in real life. i know that i enjoy a good debate with people, even if neither of us can agree with the other person. sometimes debates can get heated, and/or frustrating if someone just refuses to see your point. i know that i can be that way when i'm set in my views too. but therein lies the difference with me; i put my point over and may not change my mind, but i'll take on board what the other person has said. i'll then leave that thread and carry nothing from it into the next one where that other person may also be posting, and act like nothing has happened. some do not do that and will ignore the other. some use the block button like it's a drug drip. some on here have so many people blocked that i wonder what they actually find to read in here.

the other point is is that i may find something offencive, but i know others will not think the same way. so is it my place to report it and ruin the debate someone else is having, or do i just think meh and move on.

needles

btw, it's nice to see you back on the boards.

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ORIGINAL: VideoAdminAlpha

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

Treasure, you hit the nail on the head exactly.

I don't feel there should be any identifier as to who a mod is. Not even as one mod has in their sig line. Something about being on perma loan from a regular poster. That alludes to the idea that it is a wife/sub/slave of that poster and therefor, back to what I was discussing.

Mods should be anonymous. Otherwise, why the hell even bother with a separate account for them????

I didnt know he had a wife/sub/or slave. He had it on his sig line and I asked to be able to use it as it belonged to him, and I loved it. As a sign of respect and acknowledging where the quote came from, I acknowledged him. Not everything has nefarious purposes. I would have never thought of the impression you had. My apologies. I believe he would be ok with me taking down the acknowledgement as he never aslked for it in the first place.

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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

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ORIGINAL: needlesandpins

the point is that if in a thread someone posts something that shows them to be acting like a hypocrite then we should have the right to say so. it's no a personal attack it's a statement of truth. the facts as they stand show you to be behaving like a hypocrite. now if that person can show they are not being that way very easily then why not just do so. however, if that person chooses not to, and there is evidence that supports that they are being a hypocrite while they continue to support the notion, then you should have every right to call them a hypocrite, just like you would in real life. it is not a personal attack, it's a statement of truth. there is a difference.

I see the problem in "who gets to judge?" and also in delivery of your comments. Who judges when someone is a hypocrite? We all do of course, but if you go about it in a way that is a personal attack it is violation of the rules. You use the word right, but that is not applicable in a private forum. At most it is a privilege we are given.

again, it is not a personal attack to tell someone they are being a hypocrite when they are IT IS A STATEMENT OF TRUTH. there is a difference.

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or do i go running to teacher to whine about it? as i said before, who the hell am i going to go to in real life when i speak to real people and they act a certain way? where is the report button in real life?

If we were in a cafe and someone was doing something to disturb others, you would go to the management. If your neighbor is causing a disturbance, you mention it and if severe enough you call the authorities.

you speak for yourself. i am talking to a person in here.......or i am talking to a person in real life, if they act a certain way i would tell them in real life. so if they act that way in here we should be able to say so. we are not in a fricking cafe, we are in a forum where the rest of the users can butt out and find something more fluffy for their sensitive souls if they don't like a particular thread, or discussion therein. what you are saying is that there should be no debating, or telling it how it is on tv either because if there was in real life we'd get the police/management involved.

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we are adults on an adult site. if you can't stand being told you are acting a certain way then don't. simple. if you are so fragile that you don't like what others say just move on to something more fluffy. if it's someone else's debate either state your point in the thread or mind your own business and let them get on with it.

I have seen good discussions just go down hill when allowing what you say. People stop posting about the subject, and get into flame wars. Flame wars kill discussion of a topic, and if left to their own, they consume discussion boards, mail lists, etc. Where I see the problem is that the posters complaining about the mod squad want to make the judgement calls for themselves, and not have "management" or the "authorities" handle it, which is what we do in offline situations.

actually the only sites i see this is where mod's carry on as they do in here. all the other sites i use that are not kink related manage very well indeed without the nannies listening, and pandering to others that arn't even taking part in the thread.

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there has been a comment made to me a couple of pages back that insinuates quite alot without anything to substanciate what has been written. so what do i do about it? report it just because that person doesn't agree with me. report it because it's a personal comment based on something they can't even back up? report it because i don't agree with them?

From what I have seen in the last 7 or 8 years, you can report anything. Whether it is a violation would be up to the mod squad. It has been a long while but I know there is a list of do's and don'ts somewhere, and it is all pretty common sense stuff for being in a discussion online.

i was being rhetorical

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or do i just think 'whatever sweetheart, when you can come at me with something to even remotely back up what you just said i'll take you seriously'

If that works for you great, but do you or I really have the "right" to impose on all the other posters how it should be handled? That is what forum management is for.

maybe Mary Whitehouse was right then and we should all have someone to think for us and protect us from anything that may upset one person, when in actual fact no-one else cares. oh but then hang on, again, you can always click out just like you can change the channel on your tv instead of whinging about it.

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i've gone for the latter. i know what i am in here and in real life. i know that i enjoy a good debate with people, even if neither of us can agree with the other person. sometimes debates can get heated, and/or frustrating if someone just refuses to see your point. i know that i can be that way when i'm set in my views too. but therein lies the difference with me; i put my point over and may not change my mind, but i'll take on board what the other person has said. i'll then leave that thread and carry nothing from it into the next one where that other person may also be posting, and act like nothing has happened. some do not do that and will ignore the other. some use the block button like it's a drug drip. some on here have so many people blocked that i wonder what they actually find to read in here.

the other point is is that i may find something offencive, but i know others will not think the same way. so is it my place to report it and ruin the debate someone else is having, or do i just think meh and move on.

needles

btw, it's nice to see you back on the boards.

All of that seems great, but what I am reading in yours and others posts is, you do not like the judgement of management. Boil it down to what is and address it directly with who you have issues with.

firstly, read what a person actually says, then take it as that is what they mean. don't put your own judgement on it so that you get it wrong. secondly, from what others have said, and what i have done myself, talking to the ones whom make the decissions doesn't actually work. they pass the book for their actions onto someone else.

How I see it, if people didn't want to post like asshats, then there would not be as many problems. My personal take is that people that are asshats, should be smacked in the mouth. I do not believe my personal take should be imposed on everyone else. (I am not calling any person an asshat, I leave those judgment calls up to each person)

you have your opinion, and just as you are free to post your's, i am free to post mine whether you agree with it or not.

Hope the input helps.

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Please send to my CMail so Alpha and I can compare the documentation created with the letters received and see if there are any discrepancies or flaws in our system.

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the point is that if in a thread someone posts something that shows them to be acting like a hypocrite then we should have the right to say so.

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ORIGINAL: JstAnotherSub

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Please send to my CMail so Alpha and I can compare the documentation created with the letters received and see if there are any discrepancies or flaws in our system.

As much as adore yellow mail, I delete it once I read it. I can't be the only one.

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ORIGINAL: VideoAdminChi

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

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ORIGINAL: VideoAdminChi

when I asked that people who had received gold letters in the past three months for such that were not in P&R and not after a mod warning on the thread to forward these to me so that I could add this to the documentation, which currently does not support moderation for off topic or thread drift, the result was a resounding silence,

We can't forward or refer to something that we no longer have access to.
For us mortals, when something gets pulled, it's GONE more thoroughly than the turkey in A Christmas Story. Even the heavely aroma isn't there any more.

I'm asking for the gold letters any posters rec'd in their CMail that meets all of this criteria:

- in the last three months
- for off topic or thread drift
- not in P&R and not after a mod warning on the thread

Please send to my CMail so Alpha and I can compare the documentation created with the letters received and see if there are any discrepancies or flaws in our system.

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ORIGINAL: VideoAdminChi
Yes, if you don't get a letter that means your post replied to or quoted a post that was necessary to be removed. BTW, I am always happy to send this content back to be reposted in reply to something else. Posters should always feel free to CMail me for this. Please do give me some keywords to help me find it.

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ORIGINAL: VideoAdminChi

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the point is that if in a thread someone posts something that shows them to be acting like a hypocrite then we should have the right to say so.

I doubt I would have pulled your post had you stopped at calling him a hypocrite.

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can you send me the whole post of mine? i'm aware of the snip you sent in your mail, however that was only the back end of a full sentence.

needles

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especially as in my case its an assumtion based on imaginary context only you can see.

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ORIGINAL: needlesandpins

again, it is not a personal attack to tell someone they are being a hypocrite when they are IT IS A STATEMENT OF TRUTH. there is a difference.

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you speak for yourself. i am talking to a person in here.......or i am talking to a person in real life, if they act a certain way i would tell them in real life. so if they act that way in here we should be able to say so. we are not in a fricking cafe, we are in a forum where the rest of the users can butt out and find something more fluffy for their sensitive souls if they don't like a particular thread, or discussion therein. what you are saying is that there should be no debating, or telling it how it is on tv either because if there was in real life we'd get the police/management involved.

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actually the only sites i see this is where mod's carry on as they do in here. all the other sites i use that are not kink related manage very well indeed without the nannies listening, and pandering to others that arn't even taking part in the thread.

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maybe Mary Whitehouse was right then and we should all have someone to think for us and protect us from anything that may upset one person, when in actual fact no-one else cares. oh but then hang on, again, you can always click out just like you can change the channel on your tv instead of whinging about it.

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firstly, read what a person actually says, then take it as that is what they mean. don't put your own judgement on it so that you get it wrong. secondly, from what others have said, and what i have done myself, talking to the ones whom make the decissions doesn't actually work. they pass the book for their actions onto someone else.