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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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If one is searching for racial bias, they can usually find something that approximates it by twisting what the intent is.

And if one is never exposed to such things, they may never have read about them. How many books did you read about regattas and oarsmen? I never did.

The choice of the correct answer presupposed students' familiarity with crew, a sport popular with the wealthy, and so upon their knowledge of its structure and terminology. Fifty-three percent (53%) of white students correctly answered the question, while only 22% of black students also scored correctly.

This is hardly an "interpretation" of someone trying hard to find bias.

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Are these scoring differences unthinkable? Do they provoke cries of bias? Should the math section of the SAT be replaced with some short arithmetic problems?

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

according to Murray and Herrnstein, the black-white gap is smaller in culture-loaded questions like this one than in questions that appear to be culturally neutral.[45] Analogy questions have since been replaced by short reading passages.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAT#Cultural_bias

If Murray and Herrnstein are correct, then it is likely we are seeing an actual difference in aptitude for analogical thinking. But so what? Why is that so unacceptable?

This year, the combined test scores for Asians at 1636 is 56 points ahead of whites... [and] Asian females at 577 scored higher than white men at 555 ~AsianWeek 2010

There were large test score gaps among ethnic groups on the 2011 SAT test. For example, on the 2011 math SAT there was a 60-point gap in favor of Asian students compared to whites ~DailyMarkets 2011

Are these scoring differences unacceptable? Do they prove a claim of bias? Should the math section of the SAT be replaced with some short arithmetic problems?

I realize you were only providing information. Just sayin.

K.

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Well, if we are aiming for equality of outcome we are going to have to do something to handicap those pesky Asians. 

And those Harvard overachievers. 

Or, maybe not everyone should be pushed to go to college or even take the SAT.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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If one is searching for racial bias, they can usually find something that approximates it by twisting what the intent is.

And if one is never exposed to such things, they may never have read about them. How many books did you read about regattas and oarsmen? I never did.

The choice of the correct answer presupposed students' familiarity with crew, a sport popular with the wealthy, and so upon their knowledge of its structure and terminology. Fifty-three percent (53%) of white students correctly answered the question, while only 22% of black students also scored correctly.

This is hardly an "interpretation" of someone trying hard to find bias.

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Well, if we are aiming for equality of outcome we are going to have to do something to handicap those pesky Asians. 

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ORIGINAL: Kirata


First, the situation:

Donald Garrett Jr., Robert Green and Vivionell Brown Jr. lost their jobs because of the Chicago Board of Education’s turnaround program, which replaces most of the administrative and teaching staff at low-performing schools. These turnarounds tend to hit schools with above-average numbers of black faculty members, and they have contributed to a 10-percent reduction in black teachers in the past decade.

Now, lawyers for the above-named three are seeking class-action status for a racial discrimination suit on the basis that...

Even facially non-discriminatory employment policies can violate civil rights laws if they disproportionately affect specific races in practice.

In what rabbit hole? I suppose we opened this can of worms ourselves when we allowed our racial sensitivities to trample underfoot the eminently sensible policy of filling positions with the most qualified applicants. But where does it stop? Our laws against murder also "disproportionately affect a specific race in practice."

In what way is that a litmus test for racial discrimination?

Source

K.

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I started reading at the age of 3. My mother brought me to the library frequently (at least weekly). I was reading classics like Dante's Inferno in the 6th grade. Not because I was a wealthy white child but because I had a parent who showed me at a young age that a book could take me anywhere I wanted to go.

Statistics never tell the whole story, tazzy. What were the other answers chosen? Did those students come from homes that valued education? Were they readers?

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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Well, if we are aiming for equality of outcome we are going to have to do something to handicap those pesky Asians. 

And those Harvard overachievers. 

Or, maybe not everyone should be pushed to go to college or even take the SAT.

pesky Asians? Do they bother you that much?

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

I agree that Asians have a natural ability when it comes to math and some sciences, but then western cultures of late do not stress academics, in America for example, it is sports that is the driving force in schools.

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ORIGINAL: Powergamz1

Numbers alone aren't a litmus test for discrimination.

They, are however allowable as evidence to support a claim of discrimination.They can also be used to debunk a defense of coincidence.

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ORIGINAL: Kirata


First, the situation:

Donald Garrett Jr., Robert Green and Vivionell Brown Jr. lost their jobs because of the Chicago Board of Education’s turnaround program, which replaces most of the administrative and teaching staff at low-performing schools. These turnarounds tend to hit schools with above-average numbers of black faculty members, and they have contributed to a 10-percent reduction in black teachers in the past decade.

Now, lawyers for the above-named three are seeking class-action status for a racial discrimination suit on the basis that...

Even facially non-discriminatory employment policies can violate civil rights laws if they disproportionately affect specific races in practice.

In what rabbit hole? I suppose we opened this can of worms ourselves when we allowed our racial sensitivities to trample underfoot the eminently sensible policy of filling positions with the most qualified applicants. But where does it stop? Our laws against murder also "disproportionately affect a specific race in practice."

In what way is that a litmus test for racial discrimination?

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K.

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It was tongue-in-cheek.  Since that group keeps out-performing the white group they pretty much kill the argument that the SAT favors the white group.  I should have used some sort of smiley, I suppose. 

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I have read up on a few theories and it may not be natural. It may be cultural or for a language reason.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: Powergamz1

Numbers alone aren't a litmus test for discrimination.

They, are however allowable as evidence to support a claim of discrimination.They can also be used to debunk a defense of coincidence.

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ORIGINAL: Kirata


First, the situation:

Donald Garrett Jr., Robert Green and Vivionell Brown Jr. lost their jobs because of the Chicago Board of Education’s turnaround program, which replaces most of the administrative and teaching staff at low-performing schools. These turnarounds tend to hit schools with above-average numbers of black faculty members, and they have contributed to a 10-percent reduction in black teachers in the past decade.

Now, lawyers for the above-named three are seeking class-action status for a racial discrimination suit on the basis that...

Even facially non-discriminatory employment policies can violate civil rights laws if they disproportionately affect specific races in practice.

In what rabbit hole? I suppose we opened this can of worms ourselves when we allowed our racial sensitivities to trample underfoot the eminently sensible policy of filling positions with the most qualified applicants. But where does it stop? Our laws against murder also "disproportionately affect a specific race in practice."

In what way is that a litmus test for racial discrimination?

Source

K.

I went to a predomenatly black university which had lost a discrimination lawsuit because only 3% of the students were white. Discrimination presumed because of numbers alone.
At that school I ran into discrimination because of my age(the teacher didn't like older students) and because of my background (the proffessor was anti military and disliked the fact that I had been directly involved in some of the things we discussed). I was discrimminated for in one class because the professor basically gave older students a pass. Finnaly I had to prove myself in several because there was a presumption that white students shouldn't or couldn't have valid opinions on certain historical points. However since I had a better bacground than my fellow students this wasn't difficult. Many of themshould have sued their high schools for malepractice

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ORIGINAL: Powergamz1

Cases are decided on the totality of the circumstances, any such lawsuit would consider other requisite factors like usual and customary practices, malice, and so forth.

Otherwise all sorts of people could succesfully sue the NBA, the Olympics, the math department at MIT, the Supreme Court itself, etc.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: Powergamz1

Numbers alone aren't a litmus test for discrimination.

They, are however allowable as evidence to support a claim of discrimination.They can also be used to debunk a defense of coincidence.

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ORIGINAL: Kirata


First, the situation:

Donald Garrett Jr., Robert Green and Vivionell Brown Jr. lost their jobs because of the Chicago Board of Education’s turnaround program, which replaces most of the administrative and teaching staff at low-performing schools. These turnarounds tend to hit schools with above-average numbers of black faculty members, and they have contributed to a 10-percent reduction in black teachers in the past decade.

Now, lawyers for the above-named three are seeking class-action status for a racial discrimination suit on the basis that...

Even facially non-discriminatory employment policies can violate civil rights laws if they disproportionately affect specific races in practice.

In what rabbit hole? I suppose we opened this can of worms ourselves when we allowed our racial sensitivities to trample underfoot the eminently sensible policy of filling positions with the most qualified applicants. But where does it stop? Our laws against murder also "disproportionately affect a specific race in practice."

In what way is that a litmus test for racial discrimination?

Source

K.

I went to a predomenatly black university which had lost a discrimination lawsuit because only 3% of the students were white. Discrimination presumed because of numbers alone.
At that school I ran into discrimination because of my age(the teacher didn't like older students) and because of my background (the proffessor was anti military and disliked the fact that I had been directly involved in some of the things we discussed). I was discrimminated for in one class because the professor basically gave older students a pass. Finnaly I had to prove myself in several because there was a presumption that white students shouldn't or couldn't have valid opinions on certain historical points. However since I had a better bacground than my fellow students this wasn't difficult. Many of themshould have sued their high schools for malepractice