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RE: Personality shift possible? - 12/29/2012 7:52:25 PM   
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Tesinato:

You are a perfect candidate to be happy as a service top. Find yourself a baby-girl that likes to be coddled and cuddled, but played with. Live a happy 24/7 kink relationship where undertones of power exchange permeate bowling, and ren-fests, and game nights, and listening to Adele. Suck her nipples and pussy and used dildo when you want to, don't when you don't. Fill her needs for guidance, encouragement, and mild-light pain. Maybe throw a curve ball in there like organizing gangbangs for her. Everything you "make" her do is actually something you think she wants, which in turn makes you happy because you get to please at your own pace and schedule.

BUT FIRST: Get your mental health to the comfortable state it requires. Be balanced alone before you pull someone else in. Be confident in speaking your mind and being able to express your needs and wants. And if she's a really cute redhead, you just call Bambi up and I'll give you private lessons in topping her.

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RE: Personality shift possible? - 12/29/2012 8:45:56 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Tesinato

Hiya everyone. I've been a long time viewer of this website, just was a bit too timid to sign up and post, but here goes nothing. :)


Welcome!

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So I'm a submissive type. I have been for most of my adult life, and was married to a dominant woman for 10 years. She has left me, and I'm separated at the moment. Now what her and I shared from what I understand was abusive. I don't think I need to go into details about it, but if there are questions, I have no problem going into details.


Dominant or domineering? And that's a serious question and does matter by the way. I doubt knowing the details of the abuse are necessary, though we are being placed in the position of assuming that you were the victim. If that is not a correct assumption, then it matters and I would need to know in order to respond correctly.

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Anyway, I've been looking online for the last couple of months for a relationship, and well to be blunt, wow. I enjoy the lifestyle, and would like to find someone that I could fall in love with, and live my life with, that has the BDSM aspects to it.

What I'm finding however, is that everyone is far too extreme for me. I'm disabled, don't handle pain well due to it, and do need a bit more extra care when it comes to certain things due to my health. Being submissive, it also seems to me that I have to endure a lot more, and honestly, at this point in my life, I'm not sure if I could handle it.


Extreme how?

Masochism is not a mainstay for every single submissive. Needing care is not unsubmissive nor is it unreasonable to expect to have your needs met (including medical). I will be the first to admit I hate having to be taken care of and fussed over, but that is more my issue than having to do with it actually being wrong. Just like with putting on your own mask before helping a child with theirs on an airplane, self care is essential to caring for anyone else. Be kind with yourself.

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I know what I want out of a relationship, what I want out of life, and while I don't really want the control aspect to it, I am aiming myself towards those goals. But I'm curious, being submissive and having a passive personality, is it possible to learn how to be dominant, and maybe alter the way I behave?


This is where the good stuff is.

OP, it is very natural and normal to need to take control of things for awhile after being in a situation where you have not had control. When I came out an abusive relationship years back, I went back to school, got a full time job, and got my own place. I picked out and paid for a whole new houseful of furniture, linens, groceries. Doorknobs down, for that stage of my life, I did me. It felt good and let me reestablish a nearly wiped out identity. I came out of it knowing things I hadn't for a long time like what my favorite color was and what foods were my favorite or even when I liked to wake up or go to bed. I also took time out for some therapy. Being controlled is likely the last thing you need right now, though that doesn't change who you are.

You are still submissive, OP, if that was actually who you were in the first place. These are rather hardwired personality traits for many of us. You can ACT dominant and even dominate certain people, but what you will likely find is that it doesn't feed you. Your spirit will come to atrophy from a lack of the nourishment you need. Yes, you likely need to relearn boundaries and enforcing them. Yes, you probably do need lessons in asserting yourself when appropriate, but just because you will it does not mean you are suddenly going to become a person with an actual dominant personality.

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It seems to me, aside from money, being dominant is a bit easier to manage. I can control what happens, and won't have to endure as much. The biggest stumbling block for me, aside from my personality is actually striking a female. I have never in my life. I don't know why it is ok for someone to do that to me, but not the other way around, but I have a big mental block with it.


First of all, please do meet and get to know people before beating them or having them beat you. It's just a safety thing.

And where do you get the idea that being a dominant is so easy? If one is doing this with any kind of integrity and standards, it's damned hard. Not only is there all that bossing people around, but the responsibility that goes along with being the one demanding obedience and getting it and its consequences. There's mastering physical, psychological, emotional, and social techniques. If you mess this one up you could kill, injure, or permanently otherwise mess someone up. There's being expected to provide for and control all or aspects of another's life. Yeah, that sounds so much easier to me.

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I'm probably one of the nicest guys you would ever meet, so for me to be harsh, demanding, and controlling seems very outside my wheelhouse. Let alone with what most submissive girls want. I took a gander at it last night, and I have to say what they are seeking would take a lot of overriding my morals and beliefs to do. So it is something else I struggle with. I realize it isn't abuse in the context of BDSM, and the lifestyle in general, but I don't know if I have the capability to do it.


First of all, if you are a submissive personality type submissive, then this IS out of your wheelhouse and that's okay. It should be. It's not who you are. Try to be okay with being who you are rather than trying to fit yourself into something you simply are not.

Second, hubby runs up against similar struggles and is why I am currently seeking (at his behest) a dominant partner here. He is "vanilla twist" I guess with some submissive leanings and the rare dominant proclivity if the mood strikes. What he cannot do and look himself in the mirror is hit me. He will revel with me in the marks others leave on me and knows it gets me all giddy and tingly, but he can't stand them coming from his own hand. That's not a bad thing. It's an is what it is thing.

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Also with money, yea, I'm poor. Very poor. I'm on disability for my illness, so that isn't really going to change anytime soon. Being unable to work makes it a challenge I think for me to provide for a woman in the way seems typical. I don't know if in today's society if that is ok or not, but I know from what I've read and researched, being a dominant requires you to provide the toys and the places to play normally, both of which I can't do.


Who says? If I want to be with someone, in this day and age, I know sometimes I might have to pick up a tab or two.

As for the rest, it sounds thoroughly from one end of your post to the other that this just isn't the time to be getting into a relationship. You have a lot of healing to do personally and, apparently, financially. Take some time and work on you and your well being.

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So yep, there it is. All my concerns, in a post. If you could give me any advice as to what to do, it would be great. I'm pretty sure I'm stuck where I am, but I hope to find a solution to it. I'm a happy go lucky person, and want to make a woman happy again. I miss the companionship, and I really miss the romance and passion that goes along with this lifestyle. Thanks for reading all this, and for giving feedback.


So, do you feel better? Sometimes we just need to let things out. After you've had a chance to do some healing and soul searching, I am sure there will be a lovely dominant lady who will accept you for you and treat you well. Just remember healthy attracts healthy. If you want a healthy partner, you need to be one first. I wish you all the best in the world.

SD

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RE: Personality shift possible? - 12/29/2012 8:50:22 PM   
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OP, something that jumped out to me: Why do you think your past relationship was abusive after your friends said so when you felt loved and cared for in it?

I ask, because there are a lot of people in happy, healthy, non-abusive D/s style relationships where other people would call them unhealthy, abusive, etc.

Did *you* feel abused and degraded and unhappy with your relationship, or did you feel loved and cared for?

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RE: Personality shift possible? - 12/29/2012 8:54:40 PM   
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I think I love you SD

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RE: Personality shift possible? - 12/29/2012 8:59:50 PM   
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Love you and Carol too, Jeff!

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RE: Personality shift possible? - 12/29/2012 9:27:18 PM   
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Ok, so start with the easiest, Rumpus, another sub told me it was abusive. Fact is, for the last 4 years I wasn't able to do anything aside from sitting in a chair or couch to watch tv or play on a computer. I wasn't allowed to cook, clean, drive, do yard work (not that I can realistically do that, but still), or anything that would be considered living a life. There were times that she would tie me up to the bed, get me all bothered, and then leave me for hours at a time, just laying there, waiting for her return. She slowly but surely stripped away my good qualities away from me, and I didn't realize it. For instance, I'm someone who goes out of my way to please my woman. Well for the better part of 3 years, I wasn't allowed to anymore. I never really gave it much thought until I was without her, that she did that. I didn't feel abused, but it was said that what I dealt with was an abusive dominant, and that I need to be careful not to find someone to do that to me again.

K, now for Sacred, She was kind of both. In the bedroom she was Mistress, outside of it, she was still in control of all I did. Due to my illness, she minimized me down into nothing is the best way to explain it. Read above for what I mean. I'm glad to know it is natural that I take control, but does that fade with time? I'm glad with who I am, and I'm glad to see myself again for who I am, not what I'm to be. I don't want to lose that again. Is it possible to hold onto that kind of stuff and be in a relationship? I have always found that to be the perplexing thing. I watch as people change for someone else all the time, and I assume that when I eventually find someone, there will be things I alter or change to better accommodate them, and to please them and to make them happy. There are things I'm ok changing, there are also things I don't want to lose again.

After seeing your explanation of what it is like for a Dom, I don't think I am cut out for that at all. While I'm capable of mastering techniques, the possibility of permanently hurting someone would be way too much for me to handle. Being in one relationship does hinder me a bit in the vast knowledge that is the lifestyle, and that is why I came here. To learn, and to find my way a bit, but to also better understand what it is like.

It isn't so much that I'm unable to treat or make a girl feel special, but I'm not capable of the big things like men generally do. I'll never be able to afford a house for instance, or to lavish her in gifts, or anything else like that. I can easily do a few dinners a month, and find other cheap like things to do to go out dating and such, and that is my plan. That sadly isn't going to change, so it is something I have reserved myself to knowing. My concept of being a guy is a bit warped due to my father, and how he does for my mom. My mother wants for nothing, because of his hard work ethic. I have that same drive, just the lack of capability to do it. So in the back of my head, I sometimes feel like I'm not capable of being a man that can do all that. It is something that has always been with me, and I'm not sure if that will change or not. I like that drive, because it lets me use it in other ways to be sweet and romantic.

I actually do feel better. Talking about all this with everyone here has really opened my eyes and has given me new concepts to learn and new information to base decisions on. I'm very thankful to have avenues like this to talk on, and to get perspective, because I know no one else that enjoys this lifestyle, and would be able to relate to me in this way. As far as the healthy goes, I'm as healthy as I can be. I'm back to seeing doctors, doing PT to try and restrengthen some of the damaged muscle from the 4 years of sitting, and have plenty of systems in place to help me manage my MG in an effective way. I haven't been this healthy for a very long time, and I have no intention of losing it again. :)

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RE: Personality shift possible? - 12/29/2012 9:32:00 PM   
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Sounds to me like she had you chair ridden is she was possibly afraid of you hurting yourself since you said you fall down a lot and maybe she realized that pulling you back up was difficult for her due to that you are maybe bigger and heavier than her.

Just a thought.

Just because someone else says you are abused, doesn't mean you are. Did YOU feel abused? People tell me I'm abused all the time. I just roll my eyes and laugh.


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RE: Personality shift possible? - 12/29/2012 9:36:09 PM   
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I don't know. Truth be told, I haven't fallen in over 2 1/2 months. The last time I fell wasn't even my fault. My 2 year old nephew came from under my legs and clipped my knee and took me out. It was the lack of movement that made me fall more. Now that I have done PT, and am active, I don't fall anymore. Strange how that works isn't it?

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RE: Personality shift possible? - 12/29/2012 9:48:02 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Tesinato
K, now for Sacred, She was kind of both. In the bedroom she was Mistress, outside of it, she was still in control of all I did. Due to my illness, she minimized me down into nothing is the best way to explain it. Read above for what I mean. I'm glad to know it is natural that I take control, but does that fade with time? I'm glad with who I am, and I'm glad to see myself again for who I am, not what I'm to be. I don't want to lose that again. Is it possible to hold onto that kind of stuff and be in a relationship? I have always found that to be the perplexing thing. I watch as people change for someone else all the time, and I assume that when I eventually find someone, there will be things I alter or change to better accommodate them, and to please them and to make them happy. There are things I'm ok changing, there are also things I don't want to lose again.


I did want to address this directly because I have been down this road and know how you feel. Sure, we adapt somewhat for our partner and that is perfectly natural and normal regardless of bdsm orientation. Vanilla couples do it too. The thing I am hearing here is that you don't want to lose yourself completely again. And that is absolutely okay. Some things will prove to be very important to you and are not things you will change for anybody. Those are healthy boundaries and show that you have self awareness. I think this is a process that can come full circle over time. I took back the control and personal power for a long time (years, not months). I didn't know anything about bdsm back then and only stumbled upon it exploring another aspect of myself. It was rather automatic and with desperation I was ready to let go, but found it hard to actually do it. I had worked so hard to get it back and I was going to give it away piece by piece? It became more important than ever to make sure I was handing myself over to someone I trusted as much or more than myself. That hasn't been easy. You will find that when you do this hard personal work that you are far more picky who you allow in your circle.

It does get better, OP. Seven months isn't really all that long. You have 10 years of programming to undo. It is hard to wait, but it is worth it.

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After seeing your explanation of what it is like for a Dom, I don't think I am cut out for that at all. While I'm capable of mastering techniques, the possibility of permanently hurting someone would be way too much for me to handle. Being in one relationship does hinder me a bit in the vast knowledge that is the lifestyle, and that is why I came here. To learn, and to find my way a bit, but to also better understand what it is like.


Amen!

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I actually do feel better. Talking about all this with everyone here has really opened my eyes and has given me new concepts to learn and new information to base decisions on. I'm very thankful to have avenues like this to talk on, and to get perspective, because I know no one else that enjoys this lifestyle, and would be able to relate to me in this way. As far as the healthy goes, I'm as healthy as I can be. I'm back to seeing doctors, doing PT to try and restrengthen some of the damaged muscle from the 4 years of sitting, and have plenty of systems in place to help me manage my MG in an effective way. I haven't been this healthy for a very long time, and I have no intention of losing it again. :)


I am glad it has been helping.

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RE: Personality shift possible? - 12/29/2012 10:10:21 PM   
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This inspiration and tear jerking video might be particularly interesting to you, Tes.

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RE: Personality shift possible? - 12/29/2012 10:11:44 PM   
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I do find it a challenge to wait yes, because of being with someone for so long. As far as the programing goes, I realize it will take some more time, and finding someone isn't exactly a rush for me. I get how my post might of sounded like that, but it isn't. Honestly, for me, it comes down to the fact that if I don't give it a shot, I'm not going to learn how to do it. I'm a bit inept when it comes to socializing, and it is a skill I'm relearning. At the same time, if someone were to find me and want to give me a chance, I wouldn't deny that either. I think what I want is going to be a hard find as it is, and coupled with all the oddities that is me, it is going to take someone special I think. And I'm ok with that. I want someone that can fulfill my needs as much as I can fulfill hers. I know what I can bring to the table in terms of devotion and love and overall kindness and sweetness. It is solely a matter of finding someone that clicks with me, and if that requires years of searching, so be it. :)

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RE: Personality shift possible? - 12/29/2012 10:19:51 PM   
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Wow BambiBoi, that is really moving. Thanks for linking it. In ways I feel like this guy, the fight to be stronger and better. While not as successful as him, I have lost 50 pounds since she left, and like I said in a previous post, I haven't fallen in over 2 months. Those goals alone make me very proud of myself. I only need a walker when I get a cold, like the other day, but otherwise, I'm fully functional again. Thanks so much for posting it, because it makes me feel like I still got room to go. :)

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