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Hillwilliam -> RE: Islamophobe heroine or murderer? (1/1/2013 10:07:48 AM)

It appears the lady in question is no stranger to the long arm of the law.
http://news.yahoo.com/suspect-nyc-subway-death-arrested-184159712.html




Fightdirecto -> RE: Islamophobe heroine or murderer? (1/2/2013 12:35:21 PM)

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi
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ORIGINAL: Fightdirecto
Re: the accused woman's "obvious" mental illness.
Were each and every member of the Nazi Party in Germany "obviously" mentally ill, or were their actions based on years of propaganda and indoctrination?

If the accused turns out to be someone who constantly watches Fox-"News" and constantly listens to Rush Limbaugh and/or Glenn Beck, her Islamophobia might be the result of 12 years of indoctrination and propaganda, and not necessarily mental illness.

Did each and every member of the nazi party have a history of acting out and having the cops called on them? Were they private citizens who attacked total strangers?

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Kristallnacht (Crystal Night). Also referred to as the Night of Broken Glass, or Reichskristallnacht, Pogromnacht, and Novemberpogrome, was a pogrom (a series of coordinated attacks) against Jews throughout Nazi Germany and parts of Austria on 9–10 November 1938, carried out by SA paramilitary and civilians. German authorities looked on without intervening. The attacks left the streets covered with broken glass from the windows of Jewish-owned stores, buildings, and synagogues.

At least 91 Jews were killed in the attacks, and a further 30,000 arrested and incarcerated in concentration camps. Jewish homes, hospitals, and schools were ransacked, as the attackers demolished buildings with sledgehammers. Over 1,000 synagogues were burned (95 in Vienna alone), and over 7,000 Jewish businesses destroyed or damaged.
Kristallnacht

Yeah - not one sane German civilian was influenced by the 7 years of anti-semitic indoctrination and propaganda by their radio and newspapers - just like there has been not one sane American civilian who has been influenced by 12 years of Islamophobe indoctrination and propaganda by talk radio and a certain cable news network.

Were all the German and Austrian civilians who actively participated in Kristallnacht "obviously mentally ill" or merely influenced by indoctrination and propaganda, and not necessarily mental illness?

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Powergamz1 -> RE: Islamophobe heroine or murderer? (1/2/2013 9:08:54 PM)

Did they think they were attacking Hindus as well?

Are you seriously claiming that this woman's history and comments indicate that she was sane?

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ORIGINAL: Fightdirecto

quote:

ORIGINAL: thishereboi
quote:

ORIGINAL: Fightdirecto
Re: the accused woman's "obvious" mental illness.
Were each and every member of the Nazi Party in Germany "obviously" mentally ill, or were their actions based on years of propaganda and indoctrination?

If the accused turns out to be someone who constantly watches Fox-"News" and constantly listens to Rush Limbaugh and/or Glenn Beck, her Islamophobia might be the result of 12 years of indoctrination and propaganda, and not necessarily mental illness.

Did each and every member of the nazi party have a history of acting out and having the cops called on them? Were they private citizens who attacked total strangers?

quote:

Kristallnacht (Crystal Night). Also referred to as the Night of Broken Glass, or Reichskristallnacht, Pogromnacht, and Novemberpogrome, was a pogrom (a series of coordinated attacks) against Jews throughout Nazi Germany and parts of Austria on 9–10 November 1938, carried out by SA paramilitary and civilians. German authorities looked on without intervening. The attacks left the streets covered with broken glass from the windows of Jewish-owned stores, buildings, and synagogues.

At least 91 Jews were killed in the attacks, and a further 30,000 arrested and incarcerated in concentration camps. Jewish homes, hospitals, and schools were ransacked, as the attackers demolished buildings with sledgehammers. Over 1,000 synagogues were burned (95 in Vienna alone), and over 7,000 Jewish businesses destroyed or damaged.
Kristallnacht

Yeah - not one sane German civilian was influenced by the 7 years of anti-semitic indoctrination and propaganda by their radio and newspapers - just like there has been not one sane American civilian who has been influenced by 12 years of Islamophobe indoctrination and propaganda by talk radio and a certain cable news network.

Were all the German and Austrian civilians who actively participated in Kristallnacht "obviously mentally ill" or merely influenced by indoctrination and propaganda, and not necessarily mental illness?

[image]local://upfiles/42188/FEF437870C5649C98856849DA408A352.jpg[/image]





Moonhead -> RE: Islamophobe heroine or murderer? (1/3/2013 6:33:21 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Powergamz1

Did they think they were attacking Hindus as well?

Are you seriously claiming that this woman's history and comments indicate that she was sane?


Until somebody can provide evidence that she isn't sane, does fd need to make any effort proving that he is?
I don't recall anybody claiming that George Zimmerman's criminal history and the crap he was spouting about how "these guys always get away" proving that he wasn't competent to stand trial. Bigotry /= insanity.




Powergamz1 -> RE: Islamophobe heroine or murderer? (1/3/2013 7:56:46 AM)

Again, you are the one bringing up the strawman claim that she should never stand trial.

And your 'equation' that an insane person can never be a bigot and vice versa is simply ludicrous. They aren't mutually exclusive in every single instance.

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead


quote:

ORIGINAL: Powergamz1

Did they think they were attacking Hindus as well?

Are you seriously claiming that this woman's history and comments indicate that she was sane?


Until somebody can provide evidence that she isn't sane, does fd need to make any effort proving that he is?
I don't recall anybody claiming that George Zimmerman's criminal history and the crap he was spouting about how "these guys always get away" proving that he wasn't competent to stand trial. Bigotry /= insanity.





Moonhead -> RE: Islamophobe heroine or murderer? (1/3/2013 10:18:32 AM)

When you stop misprisioning what I've said to suit arguments I didn't make, then you can start on about strawmanning, sweetie.
But go ahead and explain how bigots are automatically insane in every single case, then.




Powergamz1 -> RE: Islamophobe heroine or murderer? (1/3/2013 11:05:32 AM)

Spare me your trolling at the expense of the dead person. (And at the expense of logic).
I quoted your exact words, you've fabricated your claims about what others have said.



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Authorities were called to her home five times since 2005 on reports of an emotionally disturbed person.

In one instance, police said, she threw a radio at the responding officers.

Menendez had been arrested several times, starting when she was young. In 2003, she was arrested on charges she punched a 28-year-old man in the face inside her Queens home, but the case was later dropped. She pleaded guilty later that year to assaulting a stranger on the street near her home. The victim, retired Fire Department official Daniel Conlisk, said the attack was violent and relentless.

He said he was sorting recyclables outside his home one night when Menendez approached him and punched him in the face, screaming that he was having sex with her mother.

"It was such a shot," Conlisk said. "And I was surprised she hit so hard, because she was just a girl."

He said he tried to fend her off as she clawed at his skin. He eventually broke free and went inside his home, where he called police. When they arrived, he said, she was still outside screaming about him having sex with her mother, and saying he had stolen jewelry from her in high school.

"That's when everyone realized there's really something wrong with her," he said. Conlisk, 65, said he took out two restraining orders against her but never saw her after he was attacked.

He said that he felt bad that he pressed charges, but that she seemed dangerous.

"I really believe if she had a knife, she would have killed me," he said.

In December 2003, Menendez was arrested for cocaine possession. She was given a conditional discharge after pleading guilty.

Last Thursday, witnesses said a woman pacing and mumbling to herself suddenly shoved Sen off the elevated platform of a No. 7 train that travels between Manhattan and Queens. She fled.

Menendez was spotted by a passer-by who called 911 and said she resembled the wanted suspect. When she was arrested, she told police she shoved Sen because she blamed Muslims and Hindus for the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks and had been "beating them up" ever since, according to authorities.


That may fit your definition of a sane person, it looks like someone in trouble to me. But if you want to continue to share her belief that Hindus attacked on 9/11, I'm not going to try to talk you out of it.




Moonhead -> RE: Islamophobe heroine or murderer? (1/6/2013 5:16:50 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Powergamz1

Spare me your trolling at the expense of the dead person. (And at the expense of logic).
I quoted your exact words, you've fabricated your claims about what others have said.

So several posters did not say that this woman belongs in an institution rather than in prison, then?

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That may fit your definition of a sane person, it looks like someone in trouble to me.

Sadly, neither hysteria nor idiocy are recognised as forms of insanity. That's why posters on here can come out with all sorts of hysterical and idiotic drivel with impunity.




thishereboi -> RE: Islamophobe heroine or murderer? (1/6/2013 8:27:31 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Fightdirecto

quote:

ORIGINAL: thishereboi
quote:

ORIGINAL: Fightdirecto
Re: the accused woman's "obvious" mental illness.
Were each and every member of the Nazi Party in Germany "obviously" mentally ill, or were their actions based on years of propaganda and indoctrination?

If the accused turns out to be someone who constantly watches Fox-"News" and constantly listens to Rush Limbaugh and/or Glenn Beck, her Islamophobia might be the result of 12 years of indoctrination and propaganda, and not necessarily mental illness.

Did each and every member of the nazi party have a history of acting out and having the cops called on them? Were they private citizens who attacked total strangers?

quote:

Kristallnacht (Crystal Night). Also referred to as the Night of Broken Glass, or Reichskristallnacht, Pogromnacht, and Novemberpogrome, was a pogrom (a series of coordinated attacks) against Jews throughout Nazi Germany and parts of Austria on 9–10 November 1938, carried out by SA paramilitary and civilians. German authorities looked on without intervening. The attacks left the streets covered with broken glass from the windows of Jewish-owned stores, buildings, and synagogues.

At least 91 Jews were killed in the attacks, and a further 30,000 arrested and incarcerated in concentration camps. Jewish homes, hospitals, and schools were ransacked, as the attackers demolished buildings with sledgehammers. Over 1,000 synagogues were burned (95 in Vienna alone), and over 7,000 Jewish businesses destroyed or damaged.
Kristallnacht

Yeah - not one sane German civilian was influenced by the 7 years of anti-semitic indoctrination and propaganda by their radio and newspapers - just like there has been not one sane American civilian who has been influenced by 12 years of Islamophobe indoctrination and propaganda by talk radio and a certain cable news network.

Were all the German and Austrian civilians who actively participated in Kristallnacht "obviously mentally ill" or merely influenced by indoctrination and propaganda, and not necessarily mental illness?

[image]local://upfiles/42188/FEF437870C5649C98856849DA408A352.jpg[/image]


Not the same thing at all, but don't let that stop you from trying.




Powergamz1 -> RE: Islamophobe heroine or murderer? (1/6/2013 10:11:36 AM)

The claim was that people here were saying that she should never be tried in a court of law because of inansity... I'm still waiting for someone to produce the 'several posters' who said that.

What was said was that an appropriate sentence would be incarceration in a mental facility (instead of in the general population of a regular prison).

Since we both know that those were imaginary statements, you are just playing games with another tragedy by moving the goal posts.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Moonhead


quote:

ORIGINAL: Powergamz1

Spare me your trolling at the expense of the dead person. (And at the expense of logic).
I quoted your exact words, you've fabricated your claims about what others have said.

So several posters did not say that this woman belongs in an institution rather than in prison, then?

quote:

That may fit your definition of a sane person, it looks like someone in trouble to me.

Sadly, neither hysteria nor idiocy are recognised as forms of insanity. That's why posters on here can come out with all sorts of hysterical and idiotic drivel with impunity.





Aylee -> RE: Islamophobe heroine or murderer? (1/6/2013 10:19:09 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Powergamz1

The claim was that people here were saying that she should never be tried in a court of law because of inansity... I'm still waiting for someone to produce the 'several posters' who said that.

What was said was that an appropriate sentence would be incarceration in a mental facility (instead of in the general population of a regular prison).

Since we both know that those were imaginary statements, you are just playing games with another tragedy by moving the goal posts.



Don't get me wrong, this woman has seriously and irrevocably violated the social contract. (Which I believe ends our obligation to maintain the social contract with her.)  Since she dislikes Muslims and Hindus so much I am perfectly fine with her being fully Christianized as opposed to prison or a mental institution. But it seems that people around her get rather upset when I suggest such remedies.




Moonhead -> RE: Islamophobe heroine or murderer? (1/6/2013 10:31:47 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Powergamz1

The claim was that people here were saying that she should never be tried in a court of law because of inansity... I'm still waiting for someone to produce the 'several posters' who said that.

What was said was that an appropriate sentence would be incarceration in a mental facility (instead of in the general population of a regular prison).

Since we both know that those were imaginary statements, you are just playing games with another tragedy by moving the goal posts.


And you're accusing me of strawmanning. How cute.




Powergamz1 -> RE: Islamophobe heroine or murderer? (1/6/2013 7:30:05 PM)

In other words, you still haven't produced the proof for what you've claimed other people have said, and are working your way through the logical fallacies one by one, to derail yet another thread... strawmen, then moving goal posts, and now projection that people asking you to prove your assertions are 'strawmanning'.

Do you have anything relevant to the topic at hand that is useful for reality based discourse, or just more debate tricks at the expense of the dead man?


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ORIGINAL: Moonhead


quote:

ORIGINAL: Powergamz1

The claim was that people here were saying that she should never be tried in a court of law because of inansity... I'm still waiting for someone to produce the 'several posters' who said that.

What was said was that an appropriate sentence would be incarceration in a mental facility (instead of in the general population of a regular prison).

Since we both know that those were imaginary statements, you are just playing games with another tragedy by moving the goal posts.


And you're accusing me of strawmanning. How cute.





SimplyMichael -> RE: Islamophobe heroine or murderer? (1/6/2013 7:33:52 PM)

Are there sane people who think Fox doesnt promote violence?




jlf1961 -> RE: Islamophobe heroine or murderer? (1/6/2013 7:41:56 PM)


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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

Are there sane people who think Fox doesnt promote violence?



Well they do not come out and tell people to go kill muslims or any other ethnic group...

That being said, every time I watch fox news I have the overwhelming desire to nuke someone... but considering I am a liberal, I have no clue who to nuke.




Aylee -> RE: Islamophobe heroine or murderer? (1/6/2013 8:55:05 PM)

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961


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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

Are there sane people who think Fox doesnt promote violence?



Well they do not come out and tell people to go kill muslims or any other ethnic group...

That being said, every time I watch fox news I have the overwhelming desire to nuke someone... but considering I am a liberal, I have no clue who to nuke.


I have a little list.


[sm=dancer.gif]As someday it may happen that a victim must be found
I've got a little list; I've got a little list
Of society offenders who might well be underground,
And who never would be missed--they never would be missed!

There's the pestilential nuisances who write for autographs
All people who have flabby hands and irritating laughs--
All children who won't speak without a Walkman on their head
But can E-mail, text and download without getting out of bed!
And customs men who fumbling through your underwear insist
They'd none of them be missed, they'll none of them be missed!

CHORUS: He's got 'em on the list--he's got 'em on the list;
And they'll none of 'em be missed--they'll none of 'em be missed.

There's the beggars who write letters from the Infernal Revenue
And the gossip columnist, I've got him on the list
Fake Rock bands, those "Pop Idols" and that Simon Cowell too,
They never would be missed--they never would be missed!

Or waitresses who make you wait and lawyers of all kinds
And actresses who kiss & tell and wiggle their behinds
And poncy little singers who to entertain us try
By dressing up as women and then singing far too high;
And the TV advertisers who just never will desist--
I don't think they'd be missed--I've got them on the list!

CHORUS: He's got "em on the list--he's got "em on the list;
And I don't think they'd be missed--I'm sure they'd not be missed!

And that Nisi Prius nuisance, who just now is rather rife,
The Judicial humorist - Lord Hutton's on the list!
All funny fellows, comic men, and clowns of private life--
They'd none of 'em be missed--they'd none of 'em be missed.
And apologetic statesmen of a compromising kind,
Such as--What d'ye call him--Thing'em-bob, and likewise--Nevermind,
And 'St--'st--'st--and What's-his-name, and also You-know-who--
The task of filling up the blanks I'd rather leave to you. (Where Do You Begin?!)
But it really doesn't matter whom you put upon the list,
For they'd none of 'em be missed--they'd none of 'em be missed!

CHORUS: You may put 'em on the list--you may put 'em on the list;
And they'll none of 'em be missed--they'll none of 'em be missed!




fucktoyprincess -> RE: Islamophobe heroine or murderer? (1/7/2013 11:13:53 AM)

Islamaphobe heroine? For attacking a Hindu? For attacking random strangers? For engaging in vigilantism?

Murderer? Yes. Her action fits the definition of murder in the state of New York.

Is she sane enough to be sentenced to prison? Not from what I've read about her in the press (and just to be clear it is not her statement about hatred of certain groups that defines her sanity). After all, since when did hating certain groups of people become defined as "insanity"?





Politesub53 -> RE: Islamophobe heroine or murderer? (1/7/2013 11:36:56 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Powergamz1

Do you have anything relevant to the topic at hand that is useful for reality based discourse, or just more debate tricks at the expense of the dead man?



Considering the number of times you bring this or similar up, it seems to be your trick rather than anyone elses.





Moonhead -> RE: Islamophobe heroine or murderer? (1/7/2013 12:04:22 PM)


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ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess
Is she sane enough to be sentenced to prison? Not from what I've read about her in the press (and just to be clear it is not her statement about hatred of certain groups that defines her sanity). After all, since when did hating certain groups of people become defined as "insanity"?

You are aware that there's a difference between hysteria and insanity?




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