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Curious about Spiritual Femdoms - 6/18/2006 9:30:45 AM

DiannaVesta

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I wondered how many women here are into spirituality such as goddess worship, pagan, wicca and the like. Also, does it carry over into your training as a femdom? If so, how? Is this something you share with your subs/slaves?

men can also answer and please add if you are more inclined to these spiritual women.

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RE: Curious about Spiritual Femdoms - 6/18/2006 9:39:03 AM

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We are practitioners of alternative spirituality (immanent divinity, incarnation-without-memory, and Communal Source). It plays a heavy role in our training process, and actually holds an integral station of its own in our household, as we maintain our own temple, and train not only classic service submissives through the Enclave, but temple servants as well through the Temple.

Actually, when I saw your name, I wanted to talk to you about whether you participated in Vestal training in your household!

Please feel free to contact me if you'd like to talk more about this.

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RE: Curious about Spiritual Femdoms - 6/18/2006 10:34:08 AM

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My beliefs are a bit split, and like every other facet of life, I simply don’t fit in the box. I was raised with 2 "religions". My Mother was Pentecostal and dragged us to church 3 times a week. My Father was, for the most part, Agnostic. My Grandmother was a Native American Spiritualist. Later, my Father converted to Christianity. One sister became Wiccan. Another sister dabbled in Mormonism and 7th Day Adventism. And my Grandmother converted to a Jehovah’s Witness. As the youngest in the family, I grew up around a plethora of religious beliefs and didn’t have a strong grounding in any of them.
In adulthood, I "tried" different religions. After coming full circle several times, I settled down most comfortably into Native Americanism, which I think can technically, on a semantic level, be considered Paganism. But I also am a member of the Baha’i community.
I find it difficult to conform to all the doctrines of any one spiritual belief system. There are aspects I agree with and disagree with in all of them.
I guess I’m a spiritual switch.

As for the importance it holds in relationships with submissives – none. I like them to understand what I do and don’t believe in. I want them to be acquainted with certain terminology that I use. And I want them to respect certain principles that I insist on "due to my religion". Other than that, my spirituality really doesn’t have much bearing on my D/s relationships.

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RE: Curious about Spiritual Femdoms - 6/18/2006 11:25:56 AM

DiannaVesta

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ORIGINAL: LadiesBladewing

We are practitioners of alternative spirituality (immanent divinity, incarnation-without-memory, and Communal Source). It plays a heavy role in our training process, and actually holds an integral station of its own in our household, as we maintain our own temple, and train not only classic service submissives through the Enclave, but temple servants as well through the Temple.

Actually, when I saw your name, I wanted to talk to you about whether you participated in Vestal training in your household!

Please feel free to contact me if you'd like to talk more about this.

Lady Abbess Zephyr WindDancer Bladewing
Illuminance Fellowship Abbess

My personal spiritual views are complex and drawn from many sources, including my own calling. I'm pretty private about this and in many ways still discovering what it all means. Female Domination is very spiritual for me. Everything we do has some type of focus on this.

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RE: Curious about Spiritual Femdoms - 6/18/2006 1:26:50 PM

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Wicca is about balance between Masculine and Feminine. Although there are as many different types of Wicca as there are Wiccans ;)

For me, I like to be with a pagan woman of some variety because I am very active in the pagan community and would like to share that mutual interest.

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RE: Curious about Spiritual Femdoms - 6/18/2006 1:38:43 PM

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I feel I was lucky in life not to have been conditioned to believe anything in particular. I didn't realize the true value of this when I was young of course and only after that part of me that hungered for answers to the big questions did I undertake my own personal investigation. So now, here I am basically thinking "outside the box" and able to look at all beliefs with equal clarity.

I see what beliefs are for and have a good idea why they exist and where they came from. I've also answered most of the big questions for myself and feel pretty confident they are on the mark. My only problem is when I encounter someone else who essentially has never left the proverbial "backyard" and expects me to embrace whatever they believe with equal awe and devotion.

Once you've peeked behind the curtain of the play, it's pretty hard to regain your suspension of disbelief (or in this case...belief). I do however worship the opposite sex. That for me is a no-brainer.

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RE: Curious about Spiritual Femdoms - 6/18/2006 2:01:06 PM

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I was raised in a very strict Catholic household: Catholic school, church every morning before school, church every Sunday, Sunday school, church groups etc. I knew at a very early age I didn't believe half of what I was taught and started quite young researching different religions and spiritual avenues. When I left home at 18 I stopped going to church and I dislike a lot of what most organized religions stand for. I appreciate some of the basic underlying beliefs but putting it into practice is sometimes (often?) skewed.

That being said, I am quite spiritual and base my own personal beliefs on a smattering of various forms of spirituality. I can look back on my upbringing and see some influences. I love churches and the whole feel so there is a special place I hold for rituals whether that be a bath ritual or worshipping. I also have this thing for spiritual role play (priests, nuns, etc.) that I don't really indulge in very often but I do enjoy.

Also, the discipline that was engrained on me from a child definitely plays a part in what I do and how I train. Interesting question, I look forward to reading what others post.

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RE: Curious about Spiritual Femdoms - 6/18/2006 3:15:31 PM

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Have any of you used ritual in scenes before?

I don't know if any of you have ever read the book Leather Folks edit by Mark Thompson, but I did a chapter of my own there many moons ago. It involved a type of scene ritual using a knife. I remember that back then it seemed a little taboo using rituals period much less in the sexual BDSM sense.

Thank you all for you replies. I look forward to more of them.

Dianna

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RE: Curious about Spiritual Femdoms - 6/18/2006 5:33:20 PM

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I would consider Myself an eclectic, if I had to choose something as an affiliation. Most of My magickal interests lie within Enochian and Golden Dawn and extend through other forms of energy work, such as Pranic, Reiki and Crystal therapies.

What impact it has within D/s for Me personally has more to do with what I naturally feel anyhow. I've been a natural intuitive and clairsentient since I was quite young...and this is often a part of how I foster connections with those close to Me, anticipating their needs and working through things together. Of course, tending to the colors, aura and general overall health of My playmates through energy work hasn't hurt either. ;)

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RE: Curious about Spiritual Femdoms - 6/19/2006 1:07:00 AM

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ORIGINAL: DiannaVesta

Have any of you used ritual in scenes before?

I use rituals but I don't think in the sense that you are referring to. If you would care to expand on that a bit, though, I am fascinated.

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RE: Curious about Spiritual Femdoms - 6/19/2006 5:45:16 AM

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ORIGINAL: DiannaVesta

I wondered how many women here are into spirituality such as goddess worship, pagan, wicca and the like. Also, does it carry over into your training as a femdom? If so, how? Is this something you share with your subs/slaves?

Thanks
DV

I am a white witch, the Wiccan Lady Amethyst---I use the goddess' in My preparation for scenes, prior to and after time spent with a submissive as well as its My everyday practice---I share it with any sub from the beginning because there are still alot of people out there that cannot accept the philosophy---just because one is submissive doesn't mean it changes beliefs. My ideal would be to find a sub the same or similar beliefs--hmm, now where IS fergus...

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RE: Curious about Spiritual Femdoms - 6/19/2006 7:01:46 AM

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Yes, thank you Kate. My *thing* is female domination. I got into this after I was already involved in Dianic Wicca which back in those days were covens primarily consisting of all women, at least those I belonged to. Our work focused on healing the planet; environment, animals, women and children. The woman’s movement was in full swing during this time and women’s rights aggressively initiated. When I started the whole femdom thing it really was about me and having my needs met. This included learning more about & healing myself.

Each new student/slave that came under my rule was taught a special meditation, given a diet and other daily regimes. I use to have this saying under my name, Goddess Dianna Vesta – Destroying the Patriarch. So as you can see I had an agenda. Lol

I would take males and work with them on many levels. At times I found ritual not only to be healing but intensely hot for both of us. I became the manifestation of Goddess & they worshiped and adored me… every part of me. Through me they were able to tap into the great spirit of Her.

Privately and professionally I always created a circle before doing my work. Prior to a client arriving the dungeon would be smudged, candles lit and the goddesses invoked. I did this through chanting and played music. These were compilations I put together using spiritual music with other types of international music I found to create an erotic yet intoxicating environment.

My scenes always began with the ritual of them removing their clothes and an inspection. This begins the ritual of submission. He kneels and is collared. At that time he is told exactly who he is and whom he belongs to. My scenes are verbal, instructive and symbolic.

He is then blindfolded and I begin a slow methodical process of touching him with feathers, a leather gloved hand… all the while I am speaking.. teasing taunting and creating intense sexual energy. It’s important to have him speak such as replying or responding to what I am saying.

“Tell me you adore me.”
He repeats.
“Tell me you exist to please me.”

He repeats.
“At any capacity I see fit.”

You see he is still merging down into surrender and juggling with his fears and excitement all at the same time. Its not that he doesn’t trust me but that he wonders how far I will take him and what HE will agree to in the state he is in.

A professional scene will have an ending but in my personal life I would not allow an end. If anything I will stimulate more using fetishes or whatever I can draw out of him to keep him in a state of submission. I may keep him that way for several says at a time… maybe even forever. Lol

Scenes can be even more theatrical in ritual such as swords, knives, crystals and the like. I can move energy about with my hands so that’s pretty intense for a male strung up in a dungeon. I feel that the space and talking to him is as important as my skill in topping him. I want to psychologically penetrate them. I just want whatever I do to be constructive to them and to the universe. When the time comes he will walk much easier in the world and be prepared to serve a dominant woman for a lifetime.

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RE: Curious about Spiritual Femdoms - 6/19/2006 7:03:34 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: MHOO314

quote:

ORIGINAL: DiannaVesta

I wondered how many women here are into spirituality such as goddess worship, pagan, wicca and the like. Also, does it carry over into your training as a femdom? If so, how? Is this something you share with your subs/slaves?

Thanks
DV

I am a white witch, the Wiccan Lady Amethyst---I use the goddess' in My preparation for scenes, prior to and after time spent with a submissive as well as its My everyday practice---I share it with any sub from the beginning because there are still alot of people out there that cannot accept the philosophy---just because one is submissive doesn't mean it changes beliefs. My ideal would be to find a sub the same or similar beliefs--hmm, now where IS fergus...

Or simply expose him/her to your world. There is nothing wrong with stepping into other worlds to gain experience & still have your own beliefs in tact. I am a firm beleiver in this.

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RE: Curious about Spiritual Femdoms - 6/19/2006 9:02:32 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: MHOO314

quote:

ORIGINAL: DiannaVesta

I wondered how many women here are into spirituality such as goddess worship, pagan, wicca and the like. Also, does it carry over into your training as a femdom? If so, how? Is this something you share with your subs/slaves?

Thanks
DV

I am a white witch, the Wiccan Lady Amethyst---I use the goddess' in My preparation for scenes, prior to and after time spent with a submissive as well as its My everyday practice---I share it with any sub from the beginning because there are still alot of people out there that cannot accept the philosophy---just because one is submissive doesn't mean it changes beliefs. My ideal would be to find a sub the same or similar beliefs--hmm, now where IS fergus...

NJ m'dear, NJ. Though I do have friends that get down to GOTT from time to time (though I understand spring GOTT was cancelled this year).

fergus

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RE: Curious about Spiritual Femdoms - 6/19/2006 9:19:53 AM

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Dianna, thank you so very much for starting this thread. Spirituality is my primary focus right now. In everything you have written that I have read I think we share many similarities of belief. It will be interesting to follow and see others thoughts.

Not to derail if it is at all, but I wonder do you think that male and female dominants approach this lifestyle completely different? I see so many Dominas that seem to have a strong spiritual connection with their power being more of the intangible and many of the Doms are more about the physical and intimidation.

Forgive me if I am not making sense, I am struggling getting the thoughts into words on this subject.

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RE: Curious about Spiritual Femdoms - 6/19/2006 9:28:12 AM

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

Not to derail if it is at all, but I wonder do you think that male and female dominants approach this lifestyle completely different? I see so many Dominas that seem to have a strong spiritual connection with their power being more of the intangible and many of the Doms are more about the physical and intimidation.

Forgive me if I am not making sense, I am struggling getting the thoughts into words on this subject.

Hey lady I wondered where you were. Did you read about the femdom commune we're starting? If not you should.

Do I think its different? Hmmmm... honestly I don't know. I think men and women are different. I think it all depends on the man. I've met a few wonderful male tops who were skills, loving and had tons of spiritual energy but the truth is that I've met more women dialed into this then men. Now that could also mean that its because I'm in that world and rarely come in contact with many dominant men.

Oh check these out: https://www.cafepress.com/othersex
very cool t-shirts we designed. I just got one for my slave a matching shirt and mug that says, "Owned & Loved" it looks great.

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RE: Curious about Spiritual Femdoms - 6/19/2006 9:37:09 AM

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I'm a solitary witch, and I explore celtic and native american trads because they're a part of my bloodlines. I've enjoyed being on staff of formal Beltane celebrations, being able to teach others about BDSM, drawning down, and invoking. I only incorporate my spirituality into play when the supplicant is also of like mind. With others, I may delve into energy work, healing, hypnosis, trance and meditation and sex magick if they consent to it.

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RE: Curious about Spiritual Femdoms - 6/19/2006 9:42:07 AM

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ORIGINAL: DiannaVesta

Have any of you used ritual in scenes before?

I don't know if any of you have ever read the book Leather Folks edit by Mark Thompson, but I did a chapter of my own there many moons ago. It involved a type of scene ritual using a knife. I remember that back then it seemed a little taboo using rituals period much less in the sexual BDSM sense.

Leatherfolk is a great book.

Yes, I incorpoprate rit into my play, but not rit in the same "substance" as what I'd do for a religious rit. I structure fairly formalized scenarios for things like being accepted into Mistress' service, being formally marked, etc.

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RE: Curious about Spiritual Femdoms - 6/19/2006 9:47:29 AM

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Dianna --

I swear, you and I must be connected in some way. I've never seen anyone express that they perform rit play like....well almost identical.....to how I do it.

Wow.

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RE: Curious about Spiritual Femdoms - 6/19/2006 10:00:18 AM

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I am wondering. . . .Spirituality, you bring it up in the context of a number of well organized boxes, organizations or beliefs. I believe in the Spirit of the submissive as a blooming flower, the shedding of will like the shedding of green that opens unto a flower. . . .that it is just such definition, just such organization that squash Spirit, that brings the Submissive to our door to find release at any price. . .
As a man, I find a host of submissives ready and willing to overlook Spirit to gain a foot hold of acceptance, that will trade their bodies, their lives for a very simple graft. When I try to explain to them that a Dom/x is but a tool of their own ascension most turn away. . .wander away because I am unwilling merely to spill my seaman upon their surfaces.
If male doms are less aped toward Spiritual paths I might ponder that it is because they are equally less immune to the spiritual voids into which they are so often tempted to spill their energies.
With Love, Isle

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