Collarspace Discussion Forums


Home  Login  Search 

RE: child support case


View related threads: (in this forum | in all forums)

Logged in as: Guest
 
All Forums >> [Casual Banter] >> Off the Grid >> RE: child support case Page: <<   < prev  1 [2] 3 4   next >   >>
Login
Message << Older Topic   Newer Topic >>
RE: child support case - 1/3/2013 7:33:10 PM   
DarkSteven


Posts: 28072
Joined: 5/2/2008
Status: offline 		I read somewhere that the lesbians have eight other children. Also note that the state is trying to collect birth expenses for the kid, so the mother was on relief the whole time. I wonder if they were trying to milk the system for benefits by having so many kids.

These people are idiots. A contract stating he can't be held liable, written by a nonlawyer. $50 on craigslist. Sheesh.

That said, the technicality that he did not sue a doctor - that baffles me that use of a doctor means anything legally. I expect that women egg donors will be much less likely to donate eggs after this.

_____________________________

"You women....

The small-breasted ones want larger breasts. The large-breasted ones want smaller ones. The straight-haired ones curl their hair, and the curly-haired ones straighten theirs...

Quit fretting. We men love you."

(in reply to kalikshama)
Profile   Post #: 21
RE: child support case - 1/3/2013 7:33:36 PM   
Spiritedsub2


Posts: 3316
Joined: 7/18/2012
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: theshytype

Why should the mothers be void of any legal ramifications for seeking a sperm donor illegally? Shouldn't they know the law as well?

I feel bad for him, I do. Although I find it incredibly creepy myself, he was trying to do a good deed.



It's not illegal to use sperm via turkey baster or outside of a doctor's office. It just doesn't confer on the donor exemption from child support/parental liability.

_____________________________

Don’t grieve. Anything you lose comes round in another form.
~ Rumi

Laughing Dolphin

(in reply to theshytype)
Profile   Post #: 22
RE: child support case - 1/3/2013 8:34:00 PM   
theshytype


Posts: 1600
Status: offline 		I understand the gist of it and that the method they used to impregnant is not illegal. I'm simply pondering the unfairness of it all.
He's required to go through a donor to make sure his ass is covered. He's required to know that he has to go to a donor to make sure his ass is covered. What are her responsibilities?

Yes, he's lacking in the common sense department. However, he's doing something kind, and she could be looking for the first kind stranger to screw over.

For this particular case, it sounds to me like they want to punish him for not going through a donor facility. I think it's bullshit.

We have to put warning labels on coffee for being hot, but when it comes to laws then everyone is expected to know them.

(in reply to Spiritedsub2)
Profile   Post #: 23
RE: child support case - 1/3/2013 8:41:44 PM   
Spiritedsub2


Posts: 3316
Joined: 7/18/2012
Status: offline 		I googled the question "do I have to pay child support if I donate sperm to a friend". Got a wikipedia hit that said if I donated sperm privately, instead of through a doctor or sperm donation clinic, I would lose legal protections. Took me maybe 7 seconds to get a good idea that this could be a problem for me (if I were male).

_____________________________

Don’t grieve. Anything you lose comes round in another form.
~ Rumi

Laughing Dolphin

(in reply to theshytype)
Profile   Post #: 24
RE: child support case - 1/3/2013 8:42:07 PM   
ccc3333


Posts: 156
Joined: 12/24/2012
Status: offline 		i like the comment from one of the yahoo ppl

"when will mothers who offer kids up for adoption" be legally held responsible for child support?

(in reply to kalikshama)
Profile   Post #: 25
RE: child support case - 1/3/2013 8:56:36 PM   
theshytype


Posts: 1600
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Spiritedsub2

I googled the question "do I have to pay child support if I donate sperm to a friend". Got a wikipedia hit that said if I donated sperm privately, instead of through a doctor or sperm donation clinic, I would lose legal protections. Took me maybe 7 seconds to get a good idea that this could be a problem for me (if I were male).


Maybe the person who was burned from hot coffee should have googled whether or not coffee is hot?

(in reply to Spiritedsub2)
Profile   Post #: 26
RE: child support case - 1/3/2013 9:05:53 PM   
MissImmortalPain


Posts: 2440
Joined: 4/1/2011
Status: offline 		I may be viewing this as far to funny because I actually live in Kansas but a judge once said something to me that to this day I believe is the answer to many issues people have in cases like this. What he said....."Ignorance of the law is not an excuse" His lack of research of his rights should not mean that he does not have to follow the laws he ignored. And I really don't understand why it is such an issue anyway. He and his wife fostered children but he doesn't want to help take care of one that actually carries his DNA? IMO they should all be held equally responsible.....the mother, the "sperm donnor", and the other lady in the realationship that claimed her partners child at its birth.

_____________________________

It is always by way of pain that we arrive at pleasure.

We must all go through a right of passage,and it must be physical, it must be painful,and it must leave a mark.

(in reply to ccc3333)
Profile   Post #: 27
RE: child support case - 1/3/2013 9:12:33 PM   
tj444


Posts: 7574
Joined: 3/7/2010
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: ccc3333

i like the comment from one of the yahoo ppl

"when will mothers who offer kids up for adoption" be legally held responsible for child support?

imo the reason many give their kids up for adoption is that they dont have the money to properly support them in the first place, so I doubt it would be worth the expense of trying to do that.. and I doubt there is any legal way to do that anyway...

From the article, it said if he had gone thru a clinic instead of DIY, he would have had legal protection against any responsibility & not be in this bind.. was this just another case of a guy thinking with his little head instead of his big head??? (I couldnt resist)

_____________________________

As Anderson Cooper said “If he (Trump) took a dump on his desk, you would defend it”

(in reply to ccc3333)
Profile   Post #: 28
RE: child support case - 1/3/2013 9:25:46 PM   
tazzygirl


Posts: 37833
Joined: 10/12/2007
Status: offline 		~FR

Just a thought. What is to prevent a couple who have had a relationship, including sexual, from drawing up such a form privately, claiming to have donated the sperm, to get the state to afford to pay for all expenses?

There are rules for a reason. I dont always agree with all the rules. In this, they circumvented the laws to save money, ignored the rules, then cried wolf when they got caught.

Sorry, I have no sympathy for the guy.

_____________________________

Telling me to take Midol wont help your butthurt.
RIP, my demon-child 5-16-11
Duchess of Dissent 1
Dont judge me because I sin differently than you.
If you want it sugar coated, dont ask me what i think! It would violate TOS.

(in reply to tj444)
Profile   Post #: 29
RE: child support case - 1/3/2013 9:35:47 PM   
theshytype


Posts: 1600
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

~FR

Just a thought. What is to prevent a couple who have had a relationship, including sexual, from drawing up such a form privately, claiming to have donated the sperm, to get the state to afford to pay for all expenses?

There are rules for a reason. I dont always agree with all the rules. In this, they circumvented the laws to save money, ignored the rules, then cried wolf when they got caught.

Sorry, I have no sympathy for the guy.


That would be an interesting twist.
But, if the woman went through a donor facility, wouldn't she still be covered by the state since there would still be no father?

(in reply to tazzygirl)
Profile   Post #: 30
RE: child support case - 1/3/2013 10:14:44 PM   
LizDeluxe


Posts: 687
Joined: 10/2/2011
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: theshytype
That would be an interesting twist.
But, if the woman went through a donor facility, wouldn't she still be covered by the state since there would still be no father?


Artificial insemination through donor facilities typically runs $300-$500 from what I have read. Often it takes more than one attempt - sometimes several - just like conventional methods. If you can afford AI you are probably in better financial shape to afford the child costs overall.

_____________________________

While is there no liberal talk radio? There are at least five conservative talk radio shows available over the air every day in the radio market I live in. Why does the liberal message fail to attract listeners?

(in reply to theshytype)
Profile   Post #: 31
RE: child support case - 1/3/2013 10:16:17 PM   
tazzygirl


Posts: 37833
Joined: 10/12/2007
Status: offline 		Yes, because of the laws, she would technically not know who the father was, and could prove it was donated. Its not cheap using invitro as a means to get pregnant. Even with just a physician's help. I doubt with 8 foster kids, they could afford it. So this was their way around the money issue... and the laws... and it bit them in the ass.

_____________________________

Telling me to take Midol wont help your butthurt.
RIP, my demon-child 5-16-11
Duchess of Dissent 1
Dont judge me because I sin differently than you.
If you want it sugar coated, dont ask me what i think! It would violate TOS.

(in reply to theshytype)
Profile   Post #: 32
RE: child support case - 1/3/2013 10:25:17 PM   
tj444


Posts: 7574
Joined: 3/7/2010
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Yes, because of the laws, she would technically not know who the father was, and could prove it was donated. Its not cheap using invitro as a means to get pregnant. Even with just a physician's help. I doubt with 8 foster kids, they could afford it. So this was their way around the money issue... and the laws... and it bit them in the ass.

I dont think it mattered to the women/moms, they still get support from the state dont they?.. from what I read, it was only the guy that got "bit in the ass" since he is the one being sued by the state now.. if he had just been a one night stand picked up at a bar and given a fake name, his name would not be known and not sued..

_____________________________

As Anderson Cooper said “If he (Trump) took a dump on his desk, you would defend it”

(in reply to tazzygirl)
Profile   Post #: 33
RE: child support case - 1/3/2013 11:22:02 PM   
theRose4U


Posts: 3403
Joined: 8/22/2005
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: tj444
. if he had just been a one night stand picked up at a bar and given a fake name, his name would not be known and not sued..

I have seen cases where lawyers were seeking "joey with yankee tattoo from x bar june 12" for parental termination & child support. It does happen.

_____________________________

Finding a good sub is like sifting through trail mix. You find a few fruits, a lotta nuts and have to sift to get to the sweet and special ones
drama llama

(in reply to tj444)
Profile   Post #: 34
RE: child support case - 1/3/2013 11:55:23 PM   
LadyPact


Posts: 32566
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

~FR

Just a thought. What is to prevent a couple who have had a relationship, including sexual, from drawing up such a form privately, claiming to have donated the sperm, to get the state to afford to pay for all expenses?

There are rules for a reason. I dont always agree with all the rules. In this, they circumvented the laws to save money, ignored the rules, then cried wolf when they got caught.

Sorry, I have no sympathy for the guy.
I have to say that I do feel sorry for him. I can absolutely see that he was just trying to have good intentions so that the couple could have a child that would biologically belong to the mother. Yes, they had foster kids and adopted children, but I can also understand them wanting to go through the pregnancy and birth process.

No, the guy didn't research what the laws were around sperm donation and the necessary requirements for artificial insemination. That's unfortunate. At the same time, I don't think the law was written for cases like this one.



_____________________________

The crowned Diva of Destruction. ~ ExT

Beach Ball Sized Lady Nuts. ~ TWD

Happily dating a new submissive. It's official. I've named him engie.

Please do not send me email here. Unless I know you, I will delete the email unread

(in reply to tazzygirl)
Profile   Post #: 35
RE: child support case - 1/4/2013 8:10:40 AM   
NuevaVida


Posts: 6707
Joined: 8/5/2008
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

~FR

Just a thought. What is to prevent a couple who have had a relationship, including sexual, from drawing up such a form privately, claiming to have donated the sperm, to get the state to afford to pay for all expenses?

There are rules for a reason. I dont always agree with all the rules. In this, they circumvented the laws to save money, ignored the rules, then cried wolf when they got caught.

Sorry, I have no sympathy for the guy.

This was one of my first thoughts. The requirement of going through proper channels, as it were, is to prevent people from doing the above, and it also prevents "dead beat dad" types from saying, "Hey, I was just donating sperm - it wasn't actually a relationship."

Seems nobody in this story thought things through very well. There are systems in place for a reason - trying to circumvent these systems opens one up to risk.

I have a feeling laws will be reviewed and rewritten as a result of this.

_____________________________

Live Simply. Love Generously. Care Deeply. Speak Kindly.



(in reply to tazzygirl)
Profile   Post #: 36
RE: child support case - 1/4/2013 9:43:30 AM   
tazzygirl


Posts: 37833
Joined: 10/12/2007
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyPact


quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

~FR

Just a thought. What is to prevent a couple who have had a relationship, including sexual, from drawing up such a form privately, claiming to have donated the sperm, to get the state to afford to pay for all expenses?

There are rules for a reason. I dont always agree with all the rules. In this, they circumvented the laws to save money, ignored the rules, then cried wolf when they got caught.

Sorry, I have no sympathy for the guy.
I have to say that I do feel sorry for him. I can absolutely see that he was just trying to have good intentions so that the couple could have a child that would biologically belong to the mother. Yes, they had foster kids and adopted children, but I can also understand them wanting to go through the pregnancy and birth process.

No, the guy didn't research what the laws were around sperm donation and the necessary requirements for artificial insemination. That's unfortunate. At the same time, I don't think the law was written for cases like this one.




I agree that they werent written for cases like this. And I have no problem with the intentions of everyone concerned. I do have problems that none of them, seemingly, bothered to research the complications that could arise.

_____________________________

Telling me to take Midol wont help your butthurt.
RIP, my demon-child 5-16-11
Duchess of Dissent 1
Dont judge me because I sin differently than you.
If you want it sugar coated, dont ask me what i think! It would violate TOS.

(in reply to LadyPact)
Profile   Post #: 37
RE: child support case - 1/4/2013 9:45:24 AM   
tazzygirl


Posts: 37833
Joined: 10/12/2007
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: tj444


quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Yes, because of the laws, she would technically not know who the father was, and could prove it was donated. Its not cheap using invitro as a means to get pregnant. Even with just a physician's help. I doubt with 8 foster kids, they could afford it. So this was their way around the money issue... and the laws... and it bit them in the ass.

I dont think it mattered to the women/moms, they still get support from the state dont they?.. from what I read, it was only the guy that got "bit in the ass" since he is the one being sued by the state now.. if he had just been a one night stand picked up at a bar and given a fake name, his name would not be known and not sued..


Im not so sure its just the dad getting bit. Looks like dad will now have to pay child support, which gives him visitation rights. I cannot imagine he is happy about any of this. Nor can I imagine the mom is now having a man she never had a relationship with now sharing responsibilities for raising a child.

_____________________________

Telling me to take Midol wont help your butthurt.
RIP, my demon-child 5-16-11
Duchess of Dissent 1
Dont judge me because I sin differently than you.
If you want it sugar coated, dont ask me what i think! It would violate TOS.

(in reply to tj444)
Profile   Post #: 38
RE: child support case - 1/4/2013 9:59:02 AM   
littlewonder


Posts: 15659
Status: offline 		So how much was this guy paid for his sperm?

I guess it just goes to show, those desperate enough for money will do whatever it takes without thinking of the consequences. If he was not paid for his sperm, well then all I can say is, he really did not think it through very well.



_____________________________

Nothing has changed
Everything has changed

(in reply to tazzygirl)
Profile   Post #: 39
RE: child support case - 1/4/2013 10:25:04 AM   
NuevaVida


Posts: 6707
Joined: 8/5/2008
Status: offline 		The article says they offered $50 but he did it for free.

_____________________________

Live Simply. Love Generously. Care Deeply. Speak Kindly.



(in reply to littlewonder)
Profile   Post #: 40
Page:   <<   < prev  1 [2] 3 4   next >   >>
All Forums >> [Casual Banter] >> Off the Grid >> RE: child support case Page: <<   < prev  1 [2] 3 4   next >   >>
Jump to:





New Messages No New Messages
Hot Topic w/ New Messages Hot Topic w/o New Messages
Locked w/ New Messages Locked w/o New Messages
 Post New Thread
 Reply to Message
 Post New Poll
 Submit Vote
 Delete My Own Post
 Delete My Own Thread
 Rate Posts




Collarchat.com © 2025
Terms of Service Privacy Policy Spam Policy

0.109