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hlen5 -> RE: Rape, football and Anonymous (1/5/2013 11:56:51 AM)

No, I'm not. But a quick review of the accessories of the crime - a volunteer coach, a little Iago girl to convince the victim to go, the gawkers who didn't report, the county sherrif, carrying the girl like a party game from one place to another, a PROSECUTING attorney(a football player's mom) who tried to talk the victim out of pressing charges...

The list is hardly all-inclusive. The whole thing is revolting.

I think a special prosecutor was mentioned. Obviously outside help has to come in and clean out the pustules that are the local authorities.




muhly22222 -> RE: Rape, football and Anonymous (1/5/2013 12:20:51 PM)

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I think a special prosecutor was mentioned. Obviously outside help has to come in and clean out the pustules that are the local authorities.


I completely agree with this. It could be somebody from a neighboring county, or a person who is generally a defense attorney. Perhaps a retired prosecutor. Or the AG has a unit set up to handle cases that are either major cases (like this one) or cases where the local prosecutor cannot ethically participate (under the Ohio Rules of Professional Conduct). I know the members of that unit personally, and assuming that what is reported is actually what happened (no evidence to the contrary), they will nail the people who deserve it to the wall. They are very good lawyers who are very much opposed to any kind of corruption like this.




Aswad -> RE: Rape, football and Anonymous (1/5/2013 12:26:52 PM)

Yeah, small communities have some interesting warts at times.

There was a case up here where a whole community was involved in covering up CSA, for instance. Now, that's twisted.

IWYW,
— Aswad.




hlen5 -> RE: Rape, football and Anonymous (1/5/2013 12:28:55 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Aswad

Yeah, small communities have some interesting warts at times.

There was a case up here where a whole community was involved in covering up CSA, for instance. Now, that's twisted.

IWYW,
— Aswad.



CSA?




Aswad -> RE: Rape, football and Anonymous (1/5/2013 12:31:23 PM)

CSA = child sexual abuse.





hlen5 -> RE: Rape, football and Anonymous (1/5/2013 12:42:28 PM)

Burn that town down, too.

These situations DO make me wonder at the goodness and honor of people in general, sometimes.




tazzygirl -> RE: Rape, football and Anonymous (1/5/2013 12:54:44 PM)

Can we at least make sure people are guilty first? It looks very damning in the Ohio case.... i just have a problem with sentencing before conviction.




hlen5 -> RE: Rape, football and Anonymous (1/5/2013 1:37:36 PM)

Tazzy I agree with you on "innocent until proven guilty", but it appears proud admissions of guilt are all over the place here in the rape case.




PeonForHer -> RE: Rape, football and Anonymous (1/5/2013 3:25:23 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Powergamz1

Bullshit, I directly quoted your exact words, and added nothing.

That is exactly what you said, *after* the link about the Japanese school rapes, and star rapists across the globe were posted... (not to mention the public gang rapes in India being all over the headlines). It is an international problem, period.

Either you knew that and chose to misprepresent it, or you chose to keep your head in the sand about the scope of the problem. Either way is repugnant.



No offence, but could you please strive to be a little less paranoid, Powergamz? I'm not interested in attacking the USA here as, somehow, the 'root cause' of 'gang rapes'. I'm not going to be leading a team of Redcoats across the Atlantic anytime soon. One reason that I'm not interested in calling this type of horror a peculiarly 'American phenomenon' is because that would be a cretinous point of view and I am not a cretin. All I commented on was what I thought might be an exaggerated phenomenon in certain *American* films about certain *American* football team members and gang rape. I was suspicious about stereotyping - but, apparently, more suspicious than I needed to have been: the reality, here, is actually worse than the film I saw depicting something similar about a decade ago. It's even worse than the Jodie Foster film, "The Accused" - which is some frigging achievement.

I saw the link, looked at the evidence, and noticed that similar sorts of crimes had occurred in Japan. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the same kind of hideousness occurred here in the UK, too. But I would suggest that they're *most* likely to occur wherever certain factors are involved: such as a group of young males, in a competitive, aggressive setting; one which has a lot of social support (even admiration) behind it . . . .

Yes, I'd think the required ingredients are more likely to come together in, for instance, a setting where the males involved are the sons of the town's bigwigs and are applauded by the school/college and the whole town - and where there exists a culture of e.g. 'football scholarships' - something which is alien to UK school/college culture.

But, for what it's worth: for me, all the required ingredients are there in their strongest form amongst groups of soldiers in a war. Plus a few extras - like the sanctioning of ultimate violence.






tazzygirl -> RE: Rape, football and Anonymous (1/5/2013 6:54:25 PM)

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I'm not going to be leading a team of Redcoats across the Atlantic anytime soon.


If you do.... do me a favor? Leave your Redcoat open and wear no shirt?




PeonForHer -> RE: Rape, football and Anonymous (1/5/2013 6:58:20 PM)

I'd get cold. I have no chest-hair. [:(]




tazzygirl -> RE: Rape, football and Anonymous (1/5/2013 7:17:49 PM)

Umm... thats ok... I am sure I can find some way to warm you up.




BamaD -> RE: Rape, football and Anonymous (1/5/2013 7:20:48 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Powergamz1

Bullshit, I directly quoted your exact words, and added nothing.

That is exactly what you said, *after* the link about the Japanese school rapes, and star rapists across the globe were posted... (not to mention the public gang rapes in India being all over the headlines). It is an international problem, period.

Either you knew that and chose to misprepresent it, or you chose to keep your head in the sand about the scope of the problem. Either way is repugnant.



No offence, but could you please strive to be a little less paranoid, Powergamz? I'm not interested in attacking the USA here as, somehow, the 'root cause' of 'gang rapes'. I'm not going to be leading a team of Redcoats across the Atlantic anytime soon. One reason that I'm not interested in calling this type of horror a peculiarly 'American phenomenon' is because that would be a cretinous point of view and I am not a cretin. All I commented on was what I thought might be an exaggerated phenomenon in certain *American* films about certain *American* football team members and gang rape. I was suspicious about stereotyping - but, apparently, more suspicious than I needed to have been: the reality, here, is actually worse than the film I saw depicting something similar about a decade ago. It's even worse than the Jodie Foster film, "The Accused" - which is some frigging achievement.

I saw the link, looked at the evidence, and noticed that similar sorts of crimes had occurred in Japan. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the same kind of hideousness occurred here in the UK, too. But I would suggest that they're *most* likely to occur wherever certain factors are involved: such as a group of young males, in a competitive, aggressive setting; one which has a lot of social support (even admiration) behind it . . . .

Yes, I'd think the required ingredients are more likely to come together in, for instance, a setting where the males involved are the sons of the town's bigwigs and are applauded by the school/college and the whole town - and where there exists a culture of e.g. 'football scholarships' - something which is alien to UK school/college culture.

But, for what it's worth: for me, all the required ingredients are there in their strongest form amongst groups of soldiers in a war. Plus a few extras - like the sanctioning of ultimate violence.




there was a particularly grewson one that occurred on a public bus in India where on top of everything else the victim was disemboweled
the local system in each case would seem to be an acomplice to the crime
those systems need to be cleaned out before these things stop




Powergamz1 -> RE: Rape, football and Anonymous (1/6/2013 7:46:02 PM)

Lots of people manage to have discussions about the violence and brutality that the human race wallows in, without singling out one specific race, nationality, or religion as their first move in the blame game.

Try it sometime.


quote:

ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Powergamz1

Bullshit, I directly quoted your exact words, and added nothing.

That is exactly what you said, *after* the link about the Japanese school rapes, and star rapists across the globe were posted... (not to mention the public gang rapes in India being all over the headlines). It is an international problem, period.

Either you knew that and chose to misprepresent it, or you chose to keep your head in the sand about the scope of the problem. Either way is repugnant.



No offence, but could you please strive to be a little less paranoid, Powergamz? I'm not interested in attacking the USA here as, somehow, the 'root cause' of 'gang rapes'. I'm not going to be leading a team of Redcoats across the Atlantic anytime soon. One reason that I'm not interested in calling this type of horror a peculiarly 'American phenomenon' is because that would be a cretinous point of view and I am not a cretin. All I commented on was what I thought might be an exaggerated phenomenon in certain *American* films about certain *American* football team members and gang rape. I was suspicious about stereotyping - but, apparently, more suspicious than I needed to have been: the reality, here, is actually worse than the film I saw depicting something similar about a decade ago. It's even worse than the Jodie Foster film, "The Accused" - which is some frigging achievement.

I saw the link, looked at the evidence, and noticed that similar sorts of crimes had occurred in Japan. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the same kind of hideousness occurred here in the UK, too. But I would suggest that they're *most* likely to occur wherever certain factors are involved: such as a group of young males, in a competitive, aggressive setting; one which has a lot of social support (even admiration) behind it . . . .

Yes, I'd think the required ingredients are more likely to come together in, for instance, a setting where the males involved are the sons of the town's bigwigs and are applauded by the school/college and the whole town - and where there exists a culture of e.g. 'football scholarships' - something which is alien to UK school/college culture.

But, for what it's worth: for me, all the required ingredients are there in their strongest form amongst groups of soldiers in a war. Plus a few extras - like the sanctioning of ultimate violence.








PeonForHer -> RE: Rape, football and Anonymous (1/6/2013 7:59:02 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Powergamz1

Lots of people manage to have discussions about the violence and brutality that the human race wallows in, without singling out one specific race, nationality, or religion as their first move in the blame game.

Try it sometime.


I didn't single out one specific race, nationality or religion as any move in any 'blame game'. Lots of people employ reading comprehension when having discussions about violence and brutality.

Try it sometime.




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