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dcnovice -> RE: Could funding be lacking because this is a male only cancer? (1/4/2013 7:20:00 PM)

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Male specific health conditions have always had less investment than female specific health conditions.

Viagra, anyone? [:)]

But seriously, is there a factual basis for this sweeping sentence?




dcnovice -> RE: Could funding be lacking because this is a male only cancer? (1/4/2013 7:21:53 PM)

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FR

We need more guns to defeat prostate cancer. It's the only possible answer. Every right thinking man of sound mind needs an assault rifle in order to shoot his bollocks off should they begin to to infringe his essential freedoms.

I love you, Peon, and it's not just the abs! Though they do help.




dcnovice -> RE: Could funding be lacking because this is a male only cancer? (1/4/2013 7:30:51 PM)

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The basic thread question is profoundly misinformed.


That's because you're taking it on its own terms, rather than seeing it in the context of the OP's posting history. The real question is: "Can I give you yet another reason why men are victims? Maybe this one will convince you."

Male Victimhood Complex, CDC reports, is not lethal, though the brain damage it causes can be extensive.





dcnovice -> RE: Could funding be lacking because this is a male only cancer? (1/4/2013 7:34:32 PM)

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Don't even need to read it...

Well, that kind of says it all.


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70% of all health care is spent on women.

Interesting stat. Is it for the U.S., the world, or someplace else? Does it take into account the facts that women live longer and bear children?




dcnovice -> RE: Could funding be lacking because this is a male only cancer? (1/4/2013 7:47:22 PM)

FR

Intrigued by Lookie's "70 percent" stat, I started some Googling. More on that in a second.

Meantime, an interesting piece from the NYT: The Myth of Male Decline




naughtynick81 -> RE: Could funding be lacking because this is a male only cancer? (1/4/2013 7:54:02 PM)

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That's because you're taking it on its own terms, rather than seeing it in the context of the OP's posting history. The real question is: "Can I give you yet another reason why men are victims? Maybe this one will convince you."


If women with their feminism are allowed to constantly complain about women being victims, guess what? Men are entitled to complain about men being victims.

This is REAL equality as for equal freedom of speech.

Get used to it or else be consistent and start criticising feminists for complaining.




dcnovice -> RE: Could funding be lacking because this is a male only cancer? (1/4/2013 7:56:27 PM)

FR

The "70 percent" factoid will take some digging and perhaps a text to my brother (a health care wonk). Meantime, I came across two interesting tidbits:

(a) Women make up 70 percent of adult beneficiaries of Medicaid. (Source)

(b) Seventy percent of nursing home residents are women. (Source)




Aylee -> RE: Could funding be lacking because this is a male only cancer? (1/4/2013 7:57:24 PM)

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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

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Male specific health conditions have always had less investment than female specific health conditions.

Viagra, anyone? [:)]

But seriously, is there a factual basis for this sweeping sentence?


No.  In fact it is completely backwards.  As just one forex, for a long, long, long time females were not allowed in drug studies.  Ya know that whole asprin a day thing for the heart?  Well, as it turns out, it is not so effective in wimminz. 

Another forex is the "70 kilogram man" used in medical school as the standard patient. 

One more forex for you, it is only in the last couple of decades that text books have begun changing the way they talk about women's bodies.  Women were always considered the deviant, abnormal, pathologically disturbed sex.  If you can remember it, think back to high school biology and how they described a female's menses.  Compare that to how they described male sperm production. 




naughtynick81 -> RE: Could funding be lacking because this is a male only cancer? (1/4/2013 7:58:18 PM)

An interesting video on the misandry in health funding.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNcADwJs0zI




dcnovice -> RE: Could funding be lacking because this is a male only cancer? (1/4/2013 8:07:55 PM)

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If women with their feminism are allowed to constantly complain about women being victims, guess what? Men are entitled to complain about men being victims.

This is REAL equality as for equal freedom of speech.

Get used to it or else be consistent and start criticising feminists for complaining.


Oh honey, I'm an editor. So I'm all about the First Amendment.

Hell yes, women have the right to complain.

Hell yes, men have the right to complain.

And, praise the dear Lord, the rest of us have the right to roll our eyes, move on, and discuss important social topics with folks whose insights range beyond "I'm more of a victim than you are!"




tazzygirl -> RE: Could funding be lacking because this is a male only cancer? (1/4/2013 10:15:51 PM)


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ORIGINAL: naughtynick81

An interesting video on the misandry in health funding.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNcADwJs0zI


http://www.cancerresearchuk.org/cancer-info/news/archive/cancernews/2012-09-24-Gene-variant-linked-to-male-breast-cancer

http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/pdq/treatment/malebreast/Patient

http://breast-cancer-research.com/content/14/1/R31

http://www.cancer.org/cancer/breastcancerinmen/detailedguide/breast-cancer-in-men-new-research

You really should pick your battles better. A man who comes on to youtube with his face blurred isnt one I would take too seriously.




tazzygirl -> RE: Could funding be lacking because this is a male only cancer? (1/4/2013 10:22:06 PM)

Women have traditionally been underrepresented in clinical trials. In order to translate recent advances in our understanding of the molecular and physiological bases of sex differences into new therapeutics and health practices, sound sex-specific clinical data are imperative. Since the founding of the Office of Research on Women’s Health within the Office of the Director at the NIH in 1990, inequities in federally funded biomedical research, diagnosis, and treatment of diseases affecting women in the US have been reviewed. Discussed herein is the evolution of gender-related research innovations, primarily within the last decade, and strategies and challenges involved in the success of this recent development.

Until 1988, clinical trials of new drugs by the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) were routinely conducted predominantly on men (8), even though women consume approximately 80% of pharmaceuticals in the US. The results of male-only clinical trials have led to the development of diagnoses, preventive measures, and treatments that are commonly extrapolated to women, yet the reverse is rare. In 1992, a survey by the US General Accounting Office, the body responsible for the audit, evaluation, and investigation of Congressional policy and funding decisions, found that less than half of publicly available prescription drugs had been analyzed for sex-related response differences (9). A consequence of extrapolating the results of male-only clinical data to female consumers is that women were (and still are) typically prescribed dosages devised for men’s average weights and metabolisms. For example, it is now known that acetaminophen, an ingredient in many pain relievers, is eliminated by the female body at approximately 60% the rate of elimination documented in men (10). The administration of drugs to women at dosages designed for men can place women at risk for overdose. Furthermore, while little is known about the effects of aspirin on heart disease in women, postmenopausal women, like men, have been encouraged to take aspirin daily. The effects of other widely used drugs, such as Valium, were never tested in randomized clinical trials with female subjects, although 2 million women per year consume this drug to control conditions such as anxiety, epilepsy, muscle spasms, and alcohol addiction.

nvestigators have defended their choice of males as research subjects on the grounds that men are cheaper and easier to study. The estrous cycle is viewed as a methodological complication during analysis that increases research costs because many more control groups are required. Researchers have also feared that the inclusion of women of childbearing age in clinical trials might endanger fetuses. FDA guidelines restricting research on women of childbearing potential were first implemented in 1977 in reaction to the birth defects resulting from thalidomide and diethylstilbestrol administrated during pregnancy, and the FDA only revised these guidelines to include this population of women in early-phase clinical trials in 1993. These protective restrictions, however, can support the portrayal of women as “walking wombs,” unable or unwilling to control their fertility. These guidelines also overlooked the pharmacologic needs of many pregnant women, three-quarters of whom require drug therapy during pregnancy and currently use prescription or over-the-counter drugs for chronic conditions such as diabetes or depression (11).


http://www.jci.org/articles/view/19993

Just to back up your post before demands of "proof" start being demanded.[;)]




Powergamz1 -> RE: Could funding be lacking because this is a male only cancer? (1/4/2013 10:31:25 PM)


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ORIGINAL: epiphiny43

The basic thread question is profoundly misinformed. Male health issues have been more invested in by govt. and private foundations forever. Women simply don't appear in many trials and studies. No base line, no simple studies to get that next degree or direct path to publication. And most legislators have traditionally been men (now changing in Europe?) so funding goes to understood dangers and diseases. The medical profession both applied and research is very top loaded with men. And men tend to be the larger group in numbers and cash in bequeathing to research and treatment.<SNIP>



Exactly. The OP premise is cut from the same revisionist cloth as 'White people are oppressed by centuries of being owned as slaves by African Americans'.




Moonhead -> RE: Could funding be lacking because this is a male only cancer? (1/6/2013 5:24:43 AM)

FR:
Funding isn't the only problem with prostate cancer treatment: the fact that a lot of guys would sooner have their prostate swell up to the size of a spacehopper and then explode than have somebody in a white coat stick a finger up their arse to investigate it is a problem that isn't mentioned in the BBC article.




DomKen -> RE: Could funding be lacking because this is a male only cancer? (1/6/2013 8:51:46 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

FR:
Funding isn't the only problem with prostate cancer treatment: the fact that a lot of guys would sooner have their prostate swell up to the size of a spacehopper and then explode than have somebody in a white coat stick a finger up their arse to investigate it is a problem that isn't mentioned in the BBC article.

Actually the big problem with prostate cancer research is that the data that indicates completely ignoring the vast majority of such tumors is the best option for the lifespan and quality of life of the person with the tumor has not gotten out to the public or even to many oncologists.




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