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Warning: Any persons or institutions... - 1/5/2013 11:55:57 AM

TheBoyDownBelow

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OK, I just randomly copied this from a profile:

quote:

Warning: Any persons or institutions using this site or any of its associated sites for studies or projects - You do NOT have our permission to use any of our profile, pictures, or web cams in any form or forum both current and future. If you have or do, it will be considered a serious violation of our privacy and will be subject to legal ramifications.

Couldn't find anything here in the forum about this. I see this in many profiles. Is this a real concern? What are the legal ramifications for such a message? Can this be internationally even be enforced? Real life cases? Or took paranoia over, and there is a blind "copy and paste" going on?

For myself I put simply a copyright message into the images and posts. I don't want to anyone to claim my ideas as their own, or scammers use my photos. Other than that, should one be concerned?

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RE: Warning: Any persons or institutions... - 1/5/2013 12:00:03 PM

littlewonder

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Personally I don't get it.

It doesn't stop anything whatsoever. People do what they wanna do.

This is like the warning not to download music online because it's copyrighted and against the law....does it really stop anyone? Only those with morals and values or those too afraid to do it for one reason or another.

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RE: Warning: Any persons or institutions... - 1/5/2013 12:03:24 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: littlewonder

Personally I don't get it.

Exactly my motivation to start this thread. If you don't want to see some of your data get out of control, just don't post it. Thanks!

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RE: Warning: Any persons or institutions... - 1/5/2013 12:03:33 PM

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1. It is effortless to get pics of porn stars online. With those available, no scammer in his/her right mind will steal my pics.
2. If a profile is properly written, it will be so specific that stealing it would be ridiculous.
3. Proving actual damages by theft of pictures or writing will be impossible.
4. Most scammers are operating illegal games of obtaining money through fraudulent misrepresentation. Copyright issues are the least of their worries.
5. Most scammers if not all, are operating outside the US. Good luck subpoenaing someone from Nigeria to appear in a US court.

If anyone posts the warning, I think much less of them.

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RE: Warning: Any persons or institutions... - 1/5/2013 12:07:42 PM

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I dunno DS. I'm not a porn star but yet my photos have been stolen and used by others. I don't know why. I mean, why would you not pull one of a porn model or someone much, much prettier? Never got that one and just has always made me laugh when it does happen.

And no I don't mean my artsy, fartsy one I have right now of me. It's always been my normal, regular photos of me and believe me, I'm nowhere close to model material or even a porn model. I basically look like an average suburban mom.

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RE: Warning: Any persons or institutions... - 1/5/2013 12:13:38 PM

AthenaSurrenders

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There is a difference between copyright and using info for research.

As far as I know (I'm sure there are different rules in different countries) if you put stuff on a public access site like this one, there's nothing to stop it being used for research. To be honest, I don't see any universities or researchers wanting to browse collarme profiles even if they were researching BDSM - it would just be a huge messy group to try and extract any sort of usable data from. If I were conducting a study or writing a thesis, I wouldn't just jump on a site like this and start hacking away, because there are too many issues about duplicate profiles, people writing whatever they want about themselves, no way to verify basic things like age and gender, and so on... a good researcher is going to want a much more tightly controlled sample to cut out all the extraneous rubbish. That said, if someone did do such a study, I don't think you could really stop them. Most likely the studies would be using anonymised (dunno how to spell that!) data anyway (as in '10% of users fall into this category') as opposed to 'theboydownbelow is...'.

Photos and writings are a bit different, in that if someone were to pass them off as their own there would be some copyright/intellectual property/plagiarism issues. But that's got nothing to do with studies being carried out. You might be able to make a legal case if someone was passing off your work as their own, but ultimately when you put your person information into the public domain, you have to be aware the public will do with it as they see fit.

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RE: Warning: Any persons or institutions... - 1/5/2013 12:17:02 PM

TheBoyDownBelow

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quote:

ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

1. It is effortless to get pics of porn stars online. With those available, no scammer in his/her right mind will steal my pics.
2. If a profile is properly written, it will be so specific that stealing it would be ridiculous.
3. Proving actual damages by theft of pictures or writing will be impossible.
4. Most scammers are operating illegal games of obtaining money through fraudulent misrepresentation. Copyright issues are the least of their worries.
5. Most scammers if not all, are operating outside the US. Good luck subpoenaing someone from Nigeria to appear in a US court.

OK, so it is an apparent paranoid copy and paste. On the other hand, I saw excellent written profiles copied within the CM community, by real and scammers alike. So a copyright message may not hurt. But in the greater world of things, the above warning message seems to be just a bit ridiculous.

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RE: Warning: Any persons or institutions... - 1/5/2013 12:22:00 PM

TheBoyDownBelow

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quote:

ORIGINAL: AthenaSurrenders

There is a difference between copyright and using info for research.

I am aware of the difference. But I am also aware the both are in practicality pointless, and cannot be in actuality enforced. Thank you for the info.

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RE: Warning: Any persons or institutions... - 1/5/2013 12:24:59 PM

DarkSteven

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Someone once stole my sig line and tried to pass it off as his own. He had semiliterate crap in his posts and then a huge contrast in his sig line. Didn't get far.

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RE: Warning: Any persons or institutions... - 1/5/2013 12:30:18 PM

metamorfosis

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It's rumored that the University of Sydney is doing some sort of research using online profiles. No idea if that's true. The threats of legal action are ridiculous.

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RE: Warning: Any persons or institutions... - 1/5/2013 12:40:56 PM

TheBoyDownBelow

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quote:

ORIGINAL: metamorfosis

It's rumored that the University of Sydney is doing some sort of research using online profiles. No idea if that's true. The threats of legal action are ridiculous.

Pam

I read that somewhere as well. To tell you the truth, this seems to be outlandish too. Most research in that field is based on statistical analysis. To scan randomly profiles here, would be a terrible approach. Especially here with numerous double, scammers, professional, pretender profiles. IMO it would be easier for them to have their own account here, and approach people individually to volunteer data. I suspect an urban legend in the making...

AFAIK in the US, a research paper cannot have any identifying information about participated subjects. I assume this should be the same for Australia, or most of the academic world.

Are there any facts about this "University of Sydney" claim? Anyone?

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RE: Warning: Any persons or institutions... - 1/5/2013 1:19:42 PM

OsideGirl

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quote:

ORIGINAL: AthenaSurrenders

As far as I know (I'm sure there are different rules in different countries) if you put stuff on a public access site like this one, there's nothing to stop it being used for research.

This is correct and let's be honest, there's no way for you to possibly know if they actually had used your information for research unless you read every dissertation put out by every higher learning institution in the world.

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RE: Warning: Any persons or institutions... - 1/5/2013 3:23:33 PM

CarpeComa

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quote:

ORIGINAL: TheBoyDownBelow

OK, I just randomly copied this from a profile:

quote:

Warning: Any persons or institutions using this site or any of its associated sites for studies or projects - You do NOT have our permission to use any of our profile, pictures, or web cams in any form or forum both current and future. If you have or do, it will be considered a serious violation of our privacy and will be subject to legal ramifications.

Couldn't find anything here in the forum about this. I see this in many profiles. Is this a real concern? What are the legal ramifications for such a message? Can this be internationally even be enforced? Real life cases? Or took paranoia over, and there is a blind "copy and paste" going on?

For myself I put simply a copyright message into the images and posts. I don't want to anyone to claim my ideas as their own, or scammers use my photos. Other than that, should one be concerned?

No, it is not a real concern. It is an urban legend that has been running around various sex sites in various forms for years. The legend is that the University of Syndey is doing some sort of sexuality study and may use information from your profile in the process. So put this warning in your profile so they can't use your information.

The legend has probably survived so long because it plays into peoples' narcissism; that their otherwise two line profile is the least bit interesting or important to someone ‘official’ (usually the ‘warning’ is longer than the profile it is ‘protecting’.). It’s been around long enough that people have created parodies of the warning. These parodies usually either encourage usage, charge a fee, or have some outlandish requirement.

When I see someone using the warning my first thought is that the person is either an idiot or naive and probably not worth talking to. I haven’t been wrong in this impression yet. As for protecting your journals, this is largely silly. Unless you are a published author or you are actively trying to become such, I wouldn’t even waste time with it. It would be like wearing a football helmet to the store. Sure, you are arguably better protected than all those other yahoos, but you look like an even bigger yahoo. Besides, any creator with talent knows that the real determinate of when you have created something of value to others is when others try to steal or mimic it

So the short answer is: No. The long answer is: Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo*inhale*ooooooooooooooooooo....

< Message edited by CarpeComa -- 1/5/2013 3:25:48 PM >

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RE: Warning: Any persons or institutions... - 1/5/2013 3:36:51 PM

needlesandpins

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quote:

ORIGINAL: littlewonder

I dunno DS. I'm not a porn star but yet my photos have been stolen and used by others. I don't know why. I mean, why would you not pull one of a porn model or someone much, much prettier? Never got that one and just has always made me laugh when it does happen.

And no I don't mean my artsy, fartsy one I have right now of me. It's always been my normal, regular photos of me and believe me, I'm nowhere close to model material or even a porn model. I basically look like an average suburban mom.

i don't know LW....pretty is in the eye of the beholder.....and some men....ok few and far between in the multitudes....are actually realistic that they are not going to get the porn model. so maybe some of the scammers are getting wise and using the photos of a real woman. now you may not think yourself on the level of 'prettier', but that doesn't mean that you are not seen by others as 'prettier' to be a potential puller.

i seriously don't mean any of that to sound negative in anyway. on my part i've only seen your arty photo....and ones of Kana doing needlie things to you, so i can't pass comment. all i'm saying is that maybe you're worth it.

needles

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RE: Warning: Any persons or institutions... - 1/5/2013 3:38:08 PM

needlesandpins

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op, i did see someone on the other side and that warning was all he had in his profile

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RE: Warning: Any persons or institutions... - 1/5/2013 3:43:12 PM

TNDommeK

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Lw, I think from what I've seen...your gorgeous! (Judging the artsy fartsy pic, needles pic and your personality on the forums)
Just saying.

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RE: Warning: Any persons or institutions... - 1/5/2013 3:47:51 PM

crazyml

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Meh... yeah the disclaimer is bullshit.

To begin with, you need to check the t&c's of the site - they can pretty much do what the hell they like with your pictures/text etc.

Then there's the original copyright - You don't need to assert copyright or edit it - Copyright happens the moment you create an original work. So... yeah, all a bit of nonsense.

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RE: Warning: Any persons or institutions... - 1/5/2013 3:55:54 PM

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Snopes is your friend.....

http://www.snopes.com/computer/facebook/privacy.asp

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RE: Warning: Any persons or institutions... - 1/5/2013 8:53:46 PM

Hillwilliam

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Here's my version of the "Sydney University Warming"

WARNING: To ALL Institutions and/or individuals using this site or its associated sites for projects or personal use: Trust me on this one. I don't have a fucking thing you could possibly want. Now, go away.

If anyone wants to steal it, consider this written permission.

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RE: Warning: Any persons or institutions... - 1/5/2013 9:13:34 PM

thishereboi

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quote:

ORIGINAL: littlewonder

Personally I don't get it.

It doesn't stop anything whatsoever. People do what they wanna do.

This is like the warning not to download music online because it's copyrighted and against the law....does it really stop anyone? Only those with morals and values or those too afraid to do it for one reason or another.

I don't get it either. And after looking at the profiles of the people who have this, I can't find a thing in there that anyone would feel was worth stealing. I saw one that had the warning and nothing else. No pics, no writings, just what was anyone supposed to copy?

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