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What will future generations think of us? - 1/6/2013 1:23:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		Something popped up on my facebook today, and it got me to thinking.

"The planet does not belong to us, it belongs to those who will follow us."

Looking at the condition of the world today, political, environmental, and the basic way that human civilization is behaving in general, what will the future generations say of us when they look back at the 20th and early 21st centuries?

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RE: What will future generations think of us? - 1/6/2013 2:24:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		When I look back 150 years I see some very good things and some very bad things...but most of all I realize they are no different then we are today.

We think we have free will...there is no such thing... They as we are socially governed by our upbringing. Society only changes slowly over time so there were good people then who participated in what we would call atrocities today but were the norm then. They just looked at the world differently and in their time were considered good God faring people.

I believe those in the future, if they are there, will look at us in the same light.

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RE: What will future generations think of us? - 1/6/2013 7:09:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		Lol if things keep going the direction they are in this country they will never know we exsisted. Kinksters, non dictator friendly military, athiests, ____ religion dictator isn't (ask jews how that turned out) basically anyone not open to brain washing won't be here!

So much of what REALLY happens in war is sterilized & spun for public opinion that the lessons are tainted. Global warming," american way of life" & the political process in general will be our un-doing so the short answer is the me generation that live will make you & i out to be nuts in need of elimination. Expect a version of the holocaust was fiction to cover up personal responsibility (they are the me generation) & kids will study us for a week in school under the flag of what NOT to do & that's that

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RE: What will future generations think of us? - 1/6/2013 7:27:04 PM   
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Something popped up on my facebook today, and it got me to thinking.

"The planet does not belong to us, it belongs to those who will follow us."

Looking at the condition of the world today, political, environmental, and the basic way that human civilization is behaving in general, what will the future generations say of us when they look back at the 20th and early 21st centuries?


Insufficient information. We are in the middle of a technological change as profound as when the hunter/gatherers became agriculturalists. Nobody knows how a society where most people are close to economically useless (we aren't there yet, but we are headed that way) works. Nobody knows how a society with the kind of quick meme propagation we have works.


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RE: What will future generations think of us? - 1/6/2013 7:38:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Something popped up on my facebook today, and it got me to thinking.

"The planet does not belong to us, it belongs to those who will follow us."

Looking at the condition of the world today, political, environmental, and the basic way that human civilization is behaving in general, what will the future generations say of us when they look back at the 20th and early 21st centuries?


Insufficient information. We are in the middle of a technological change as profound as when the hunter/gatherers became agriculturalists. Nobody knows how a society where most people are close to economically useless (we aren't there yet, but we are headed that way) works. Nobody knows how a society with the kind of quick meme propagation we have works.




Uh, Aylee, you really think that we will develop technology that will clean this mess up?

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RE: What will future generations think of us? - 1/6/2013 8:31:02 PM   
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Uh, Aylee, you really think that we will develop technology that will clean this mess up?

Well sure WALL-E was the movie of how that turns out

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RE: What will future generations think of us? - 1/6/2013 9:00:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Something popped up on my facebook today, and it got me to thinking.

"The planet does not belong to us, it belongs to those who will follow us."

Looking at the condition of the world today, political, environmental, and the basic way that human civilization is behaving in general, what will the future generations say of us when they look back at the 20th and early 21st centuries?


Insufficient information. We are in the middle of a technological change as profound as when the hunter/gatherers became agriculturalists. Nobody knows how a society where most people are close to economically useless (we aren't there yet, but we are headed that way) works. Nobody knows how a society with the kind of quick meme propagation we have works.




Uh, Aylee, you really think that we will develop technology that will clean this mess up?


Clean up?  Who knows.  You would have to define "clean up" and "mess."  Change?  Yeppers.

The tech changes coming will change society in ways comparable to the introduction of agriculture or the industrial revolution. The combination of nanotech with genetic engineering would almost guarantee that. Adding the increasing probability that we will finally get a glimpse of the real nature of mass and some forms of energy means that the following revoulutions in technology are already being prepared.

Since a change in technology creates a change in resources which drives a change in society, we can have no clue how society will respond to the huge advances we will be making in the next decades. Uncertainty breeds fear. We had it pretty good then, but not so good now; any more change must be for the worse.

I'm a pessimist and will plan for the worst to the extent I'm able. I'm sure the Great American Experiment will not survive, because we've already girdled the tree and chopped the roots. But who knows? Maybe the horse will sing.


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RE: What will future generations think of us? - 1/6/2013 9:50:14 PM   
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Uh, Aylee, you really think that we will develop technology that will clean this mess up?

Well sure WALL-E was the movie of how that turns out


I need to steal a plant?

Seriously, I have no idea why people think it would take 700 + years to clean up the planet with all robots and no humans. 

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RE: What will future generations think of us? - 1/7/2013 12:29:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		imo, I think they will look back and say that technology grew at a very quick pace and while we had our problems, we worked to resolve them and even with all the problems, we still managed to try to clean up what past generations had destroyed. There will be comments on the fact that wars were on the decline even with all our technology compared to past wartime. They will look back and say that the 21st century was actually a slow period in history for extreme weather occurrences, simply because if you look back further back in history, we have not had anywhere near the destruction that had occurred then.

So I don't think it will be all that bad imo. I think we ourselves make it sound worse than it actually is. All we have to do is go back and look at the earth's past to see it's not really that bad.


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RE: What will future generations think of us? - 1/7/2013 2:00:25 AM   
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RE: What will future generations think of us? - 1/7/2013 4:36:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		Interesting question. I really don’t know where we will be in the advancement of technology.
I believe that continued economic difficulties caused by national debt and bankrupt countries unable to fulfill their financial obligations, higher and higher taxation and the devastating affect that will have on the working classes, Our governments will fear the growing civil unrest and in an attempt to curb it, they will desperately try to repress the masses. More and more ludicrous propaganda will be pumped down the lay mans throat and deterrent punishments will be made very public by our now desperate governments.
Underground movements and secret armies will form and riots will become a regular occurrence. Eventually there will be a revolution in the western world, which will spark more revolutions throughout Europe and America.
I believe 150 years from now our children will live in a socialist world.

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RE: What will future generations think of us? - 1/7/2013 5:25:59 AM   
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Looking at the condition of the world today, political, environmental, and the basic way that human civilization is behaving in general, what will the future generations say of us when they look back at the 20th and early 21st centuries?

Very little.
Outside of those cultures that venerate their ancestors, history is mostly there to give us something to feel contempt for, isn't it?

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RE: What will future generations think of us? - 1/7/2013 9:04:46 AM   
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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Something popped up on my facebook today, and it got me to thinking.

"The planet does not belong to us, it belongs to those who will follow us."

Looking at the condition of the world today, political, environmental, and the basic way that human civilization is behaving in general, what will the future generations say of us when they look back at the 20th and early 21st centuries?


Insufficient information. We are in the middle of a technological change as profound as when the hunter/gatherers became agriculturalists. Nobody knows how a society where most people are close to economically useless (we aren't there yet, but we are headed that way) works. Nobody knows how a society with the kind of quick meme propagation we have works.



Reading this post reminds me of the book, "The Third Industrial Revolution". I got it from the library and had to return it before I read it but kept the podcast of the Diane Rehm Show speaking with the author for quite a long time. I want to digest the info fully when I get my home remodeling done.

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RE: What will future generations think of us? - 1/7/2013 11:33:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		I can tell I'm an old fart, because I was just thinking "Isn't most of this stuff Alvin Toffler was banging on about thirty years back?" reading that one.
Still, it's important stuff, even if it isn't original to Rifkin, so it deserves a second wind now that we're actually in a position to start doing something about it...

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RE: What will future generations think of us? - 1/7/2013 12:20:43 PM   
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I can tell I'm an old fart, because I was just thinking "Isn't most of this stuff Alvin Toffler was banging on about thirty years back?" reading that one.
Still, it's important stuff, even if it isn't original to Rifkin, so it deserves a second wind now that we're actually in a position to start doing something about it...


I am not well read on Toffler (or Rifkin!) enough to know if Toffler included the quantum leaps in computing technology as Rifkin did.

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RE: What will future generations think of us? - 1/7/2013 12:33:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		Toffler was writing in the '70s so he's far less up to speed than Rifkin is on that one, but a lot of his comments about changes to the labour market caused by emergent technologies in the Third Wave (which I think was published in '79) covered a lot of the same ground that Rifkin discusses. Of course, Rifkin is looking back on the changes, rather than predicting them, so his account is a lot more useful than futurology that didn't have all of its predictions pan out as was expected.

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RE: What will future generations think of us? - 1/7/2013 12:36:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		One of the things I found interesting in the podcast was that the current utility companies would thrive by providing the infrastructure for the new, greener power.

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RE: What will future generations think of us? - 1/7/2013 12:38:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'd certainly hope that'll be the case. Might not work out that way, though...

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RE: What will future generations think of us? - 1/7/2013 5:00:17 PM   
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Interesting question. I really don’t know where we will be in the advancement of technology.
I believe that continued economic difficulties caused by national debt and bankrupt countries unable to fulfill their financial obligations, higher and higher taxation and the devastating affect that will have on the working classes, Our governments will fear the growing civil unrest and in an attempt to curb it, they will desperately try to repress the masses. More and more ludicrous propaganda will be pumped down the lay mans throat and deterrent punishments will be made very public by our now desperate governments.
Underground movements and secret armies will form and riots will become a regular occurrence. Eventually there will be a revolution in the western world, which will spark more revolutions throughout Europe and America.
I believe 150 years from now our children will live in a socialist world.


Are you kidding? I think in 15 years barring major across the board correctional change we will all be socialist. This is a scary scary time in our history. Options are basically hitler or booth/lincoln...kind of a toss up which I believe will occur.

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RE: What will future generations think of us? - 1/8/2013 3:11:36 AM   
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If we have another version of ‘The Storming of the Bastille’, then I agree, we have fearful times ahead. I don’t think the end result is fearful but the bloodshed spilt to achieve it will be a tragic.
Social engineering over the past 30 years or so has been successful in destroying any strength as a community and has encouraged people to think of themselves first. Its going to take a lot longer than 15 years before people can understand that they can act on a common cause.
National Socialists started as a right wing, racist, militaristic working-class, lower-middle class organization. In reality, it was actually a combination of aristocracy and capitalism. Many conservatives use Hitler’s example to discredit socialism.
I embrace socialism but then I live in a socialist country and see its benefits.
The French version of socialism works well for its communities and nobody is trying to disassemble it.

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