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RE: Making a family tree - 1/8/2013 4:15:53 PM   
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RE: Making a family tree - 1/8/2013 4:34:19 PM   
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Two questions if you please?

1. Isn't it rather late to be accepting or not accepting?

2. However does a dead person accept.....anything?

Thank you for answering! :)


Yeah, well the early christians got a little et up with it I suppose, and thought, but wait!!!! what about all the people in time since the beginning of the world, who never got a fish from Jeebus, or never got the white shirted bath?  Is that any reason they can't have the 72 virgins like those bombers do?

Jebus said something on the order, if a man be not baptised he cannot be born again........(didn't get the details real clear on the timetables and the by whos and what point in life and so on) 

So...................

I mean it is religion, not reality. 

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RE: Making a family tree - 1/8/2013 4:46:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, I suppose it's how much you want to invest (time, I mean...and energy). And do you want to stop at extended family? Or do you want to go back to ancestry?

If it were me, I would not limit it to birth dates and locations. Find out all you can about your relatives, and fill in your tree with stories, not people.

First, round up the addresses of every relative you can find. Then, don't stop there. How about friends that you remember that lived nearby? Friends of relatives? Friends of your mother's that knew her long ago?

Then, think about a few options. One is to make up a fun questionnaire for them to fill out. All of them - memories, stories, include names, dates, etc...The more information you get, the more chance there is that something someone says will lead you somewhere else. And even if you don't learn anything new about dates and locations, you will at least learn something new about your relatives that will help to make them more real, and give you stories for your tree.

Another option is to organize a party. I don't know if you live where your family is from now or if you have to travel, but have it at the place that may be home-base. Invite all those friends and relatives, and sit down and talk with them. They will love it. And you can work in some other good lessons while you're doing it from your home school curriculum. (I know...part of the issue is that you don't know where to even locate these people. But what I'm suggesting is to talk to the people you can locate and see what information you can glean, even if they don't know they have it.)

Make it a very public endeavor. Include your pleas for information on your holiday and birthday cards. Use your child to guilt them into contributing. :)

I was very into this a few years back (can you tell?) but now, boy, if I had Facebook available to me then, I would have really started up something good. Network!

I think, though, the most important thing is to make it interesting for those providing you with information, and to give them something to look forward to as part of sharing. You can have inexpensive books printed up after a few years of research so everybody who helped you (and cares) could see the final result of your work.

The internet is magic, of course, for sites like ancestry.com. And for sites like your local registry of deeds. But I think there is no replacement for talking to people, neighbors, elders, and listening for more clues as to where to find information. You may not be able to find people as quickly as you like, but if you find enough information, it will definitely lead you somewhere.


Okay. That was too much. I got excited. ;)

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RE: Making a family tree - 1/8/2013 4:56:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		As a point of order, unless you have the last name anderson, you can search out people with your last name or relative names and see if they have a connection to you.  There on facebook.

In fact it was just done to me there, someone asking trying to get a reunion together.

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RE: Making a family tree - 1/8/2013 5:07:02 PM   
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I will look at ancestory.com.
I started this process once before trying to get tribal recognition but because i couldn't go back past my grand parents, I got stuck.
I do have names, and birthdates and brith locations for some people.
Not many such as my parents, my brothers, and my grandfather.

I do have obits for my grandfather and one of my uncles but no one else sadly.
None of them are local to me, although I heard rumors I have a great uncle in PA although I've never meet him and don't even know his name.



I used Ancestry.com for years...also, join Rootsweb.com...it is an AWESOME forum (do TRY to keep discussions factual and professional, this is a RESEARCH forum afterall and people the posts as a tool for their own genealogy). New access to records information is being made available all the time as records are scanned, and if you post a question about Native American records (or whatever your particular "brick wall" is) there is bound to be SOMEONE there who can help you with that!
Again, be mindful what you post to that forum...give details, and perhaps someone else is searching for YOU and will run across your posting at some future date.

ALSO, strongly consider getting your child's DNA sampled (test is painless and uses a little scrubby Q-tip type thing rubbed on the inside of the cheek...then you carefully place it in the test tube without touching the end to anything else, and mail it back) You can get the basic mt-DNA (maternal gene pathway, both genders have this) and Y-DNA (for males, traces the father's lineage straight back) and then later on you can upgrade for more tests to include more detailed tracking of relations. As matches are found (when other people send in samples) you will be notified via email, and can then link up with these relatives! I used FamilyTree DNA testing...I just checked and they do have tests specific to Native American lineages, etc

http://www.familytreedna.com/landing/native-american-ancestry.aspx

Something else you might consider if you are really stuck...some children do not take their father's surname. I ran into this...due to some feud with his father one of My male ancestors changed his surname to his mother's maiden name upon reaching manhood. I only found out because someone tracing from HIS end started tracing through to find MY family and found Me.

As for the whole "mormons baptizing people after death" that others are talking about...WHAT...EVER...if I need the records info and it's there, I'm damn well going to USE it. My ancestors are DEAD, and long buried in the ground. They don't care if someone wants to pray for them or not, nor do they care if someone gets butthurt over My attitude about it. :P

GOOD LUCK, genealogy can be fun and rewarding...but don't be discouraged when you hit a brick wall. Everyone does at some point...just check each and every brick until you finally find a hole that leads you to the other side.

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RE: Making a family tree - 1/8/2013 6:05:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		I want to thank everyone for their advice.

For the most part due to his disability I am keeping this project to the basics.
To the things I know are tangible to him.
He wont be able to relate a story to some unknown person.

Names, dates, and places are tangible to him.

Just like the names of the presidents and when they were in office.
He may not understand what they did, but he can look up and see who they were and when they were president.

I will say, that having a party or reunion isn't realistic for many reasons including being on a different coast then most of them and various other reasons.

My mother was filled with a lot of self hate growing up, trying to pass.
Still is.
For her me digging up our lineage or history is not something she desires.
Which is sad to me.

My grandfather had a lot of family records when he was a live, but after he passed they kind of disappeared.


I want my UM to know who is he and were he comes from, on both sides of his family.
Both of cultures that he is parents are from are rich and beautiful and i want him to know that.





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RE: Making a family tree - 1/8/2013 6:09:32 PM   
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One note of caution re Ancestry.com. My aunt started there with a lively, wholesome curiosity about our family, and it's grown into a second career! But hey, she enjoys it.

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RE: Making a family tree - 1/8/2013 6:10:18 PM   
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One note of caution re Ancestry.com. My aunt started there with a lively, wholesome curiosity about our family, and it's grown into a second career! But hey, she enjoys it.



Lol

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RE: Making a family tree - 1/8/2013 6:24:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		You might try contacting the tribal government of the reservation your mother is from. They likely would have some records that might help.

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RE: Making a family tree - 1/8/2013 6:37:41 PM   
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You might try contacting the tribal government of the reservation your mother is from. They likely would have some records that might help.



I did that.
Got a some information.
More than I expected actually. Lol
Which still wasn't a lot.


ETA: it was suggested I could find out more information by actually going there rather than over the phone. Granted that means taking a cross country trip and I haven't been back to the res since I was a child. It might be a wonderful thing to do regardless.


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RE: Making a family tree - 1/8/2013 7:45:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		No help however, if you do find out medical issues that are similar to your child's, you want to bring that to the doctor. It can be very helpful to prove that a problem is genetic.

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RE: Making a family tree - 1/9/2013 1:24:29 AM   
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ETA: it was suggested I could find out more information by actually going there rather than over the phone. Granted that means taking a cross country trip and I haven't been back to the res since I was a child. It might be a wonderful thing to do regardless.


I would strongly recommend this. Indian elders are a funny lot, traditions & customs hundreds of years old don't translate to the internet well. Going in person, performing the rituals & bringing a nice box of cigars opens doors faster than anything else I have ever seen. By respecting the heritage you show respect not only to the person helping you but the memory of those you seek.

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RE: Making a family tree - 1/9/2013 5:34:18 AM   
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No help however, if you do find out medical issues that are similar to your child's, you want to bring that to the doctor. It can be very helpful to prove that a problem is genetic.


I agree and I wish finding the cause of his disability (he's autistic and on the extreme end of the spectrum) was as simple as tracing genetics.

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theRose4U:
I would strongly recommend this. Indian elders are a funny lot, traditions & customs hundreds of years old don't translate to the internet well. Going in person, performing the rituals & bringing a nice box of cigars opens doors faster than anything else I have ever seen. By respecting the heritage you show respect not only to the person helping you but the memory of those you seek.


I agree 150%.


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RE: Making a family tree - 1/10/2013 12:08:29 AM   
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I love doing genealogy and was able to find that my family has been here since 1749 and the ship they came in on and where they were originally from. I can go days, weeks and months being on there an nowhere else, just researching information. I literally lose all track of time until I realize the sun is coming up two days later lol.



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RE: Making a family tree - 1/13/2013 2:21:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		OP, I started down that road and decided not to go down it.

Some of the other people here might remember when I made the visit to my father's grave to piss on it. After I did it, I was glad that I did but it didn't satisfy me enough, there was still Anger inside of me for the years of neglect, abandonment and outright hate that He displayed towards both my mother and I.

I decided to track his brother down, and then found out he had died, I didn't feel he was worth another trip to West Virginia.

I knew that my so called father had had other children besides me, and thought about trying to track them down. Then I thought, Why do I need to track these people down? If they loved him or hated him they have to live their lives, not have to add my own hatred of the man to their lives.

However, I suggest this if you truly want to seek out his family tree.

Do you know where he was born? There should be a birth certificate there. with names of parents, Was he ever in the military? try writing the national archives they would have his military service records.

My Grandfather's side of the family was traced some years back by some Mormon relatives, Seems that we are related to French Royalty. I have a claim on the french throne that would go back as far as Charles the seventh. Before that, my family was a band of German Mercenaries that was hired by Ceaser, to route the Gauls. What did we get paid?? one of the seven hills of Rome!

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RE: Making a family tree - 1/13/2013 3:14:27 PM   
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RE: Making a family tree - 1/13/2013 7:45:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		This thread brought me back to ancestry.com to work on my family tree again (been going back and forth for a few years now).  I filled in family members names and then clicked on the census information about them.  My paternal grandfather died when my dad was about nine, so all the information I have is the little my father told me about him.  He came from Naples, worked for the railroad and lost his leg in a coupling accident.

Well, there are two men with my grandfather's name in two different censuses.  One here in NJ, the town I knew my dad grew up in.  The other is in Ohio.  I look up the one here in NJ and it is really cool to see my dad and his siblings, along with my grandmother and grandfather's names listed.  Then, out of curiousity, I look at the one in Ohio.  Well, the names are the same, where they came from is the same, birthdate the same.  Not only that, they both have the same freaking job!

My father's family is either deceased or we lost touch, but now I'm seriously wondering....

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