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RE: Unable to orgasm except alone - 6/19/2006 6:12:16 AM   
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Apart from attempting to create a relaxed, no-pressure situation combined with positive reinforcement statements, any suggestions?

Tell her that it's not a big deal if she doesn't orgasm- then MEAN IT.  Don't do things afterwards that look like your working towards orgasm.  You can play with her, enjoy her, but if she's not getting close- reiterate that it's fine.

You can have her play with herself in front of you, or have her give you instruction lessons on how she feels and plays with herself.

Time and repeated exposure is the best way for her to become comfortable.

And people tend to know their own bodies better, specially if it's difficult to orgasm.  I can get myself off just about 100% of the time, but it's nearly impossible for someone else to get me off unless we've spent a few times together and they are actively learning and working with me and STILL it's only about 50% of the time when I don't need to finish myself off.

So if you want her to just enjoy the experience, then DO THAT.  There's nothing worse than SAYING that it's ok not to orgasm and not to feel pressured and then have everything you do betray your words.

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RE: Unable to orgasm except alone - 6/19/2006 6:29:21 AM   
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I agree with TNstepsout.  Don't focus on the orgasm.  If it happens it happens.  Also give it some time.  Many women need to feel totally comfortable with someone before they can let go.  If she has been alone for awhile it can take some time to get used to partner sex again. 


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RE: Unable to orgasm except alone - 6/19/2006 6:31:43 AM   
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Do not make this about the orgasm.  That is a lot of pressure to put on someone who has difficulty with orgasms or can only orgasm in certain ways.  That will take the fun out of everything.  My suggestion:  Lots of foreplay, and I mean a lot of it, some sex toys, and FUN.

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RE: Unable to orgasm except alone - 6/19/2006 6:39:13 AM   
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No, don't worry, I'm not making a big deal over it. We have only played a few times and it only just came up.

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RE: Unable to orgasm except alone - 6/19/2006 9:39:11 AM   
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Suggestions:
Have her go pee and empty her bladder before you get started.
Plenty of foreplay.
Blindfold her. A blindfold can be very powerful as more than just blocking out light. It can be that scrap of a shelter when someone is feeling exposed and vulnerable.
Put her in a comfortable position. (Probably lying on her back.) Use pillows to prop here and prop there. Tell her it is her responsibility to arrange the pillows so she is comfortable. Check in occasionally by asking "Do you need to switch the pillows around?"
Tell her that the goal for the night is for you to try different/certain things and learn her reaction. Let her know that the goal isn’t for her to have an orgasm, but the goal is for her to be honest about what feels good so that you can know her body.
Set the rule: No faking it. A lot of women who can’t orgasm, feel the physical sensations and they feel very very good, but after a while they get so frustrated and annoyed with trying to achieve orgasm that they fake it to get the session done and over with. It’s not necessarily that they want the physical sensations to stop. It’s that they want the mental frustration to stop. Pushing through that frustration is kind of like pushing through being sleepy before you get your second wind, or pushing through mild cramps when exercising. It gets bad, but it does pass. Faking orgasm is the easy way out.
Let her know up front that you are going to be there a while. You may even set a time. "You’re here for the next 2 hours and 45 minutes, so you might as well relax and get comfortable." That takes some of the pressure off of her in two different ways. On the one hand, she’s not going to be thinking to herself "I have to make this orgasm happen because he’s going to get tired of doing this in the next 15 – 20 minutes. Come on orgasm. Hurry up and happen before he quits!" and on the other hand, if she still hasn’t reached an orgasm within an hour or so, she’ll simply "give up" on trying. Many women have found that when they give up trying, it just happens.
Gag her, or even better, flat out tell her she’s to be silent. Some women feel this obligation to moan and groan as a means of saying "Yes. I like what you’re doing." If she’s someone who mentally fantasizes to reach orgasm, that "obligatory verbal feedback" can distract the fantasy. Let her know that she isn’t to give you any kind of pleasure noises unless they are genuine and come naturally.
Feedback is important though. After the deed is said and done, and everyone is cleaned up and cuddling, then ask for feedback through direct questions. Which did you like better? The vibrator or my tongue? When I did XYZ, was I too high or too low? Which part was your favorite? Which part did you not enjoy at all? What do you wish I did more of? Less of? Do you like it better when I switch what I’m doing more often or less often?
Another night you might try a different tactic of doing one particular thing for about 10 minutes and asking her to rate it on a scale of 1 – 10. Then try something else and have her rate that one.
Keep in mind what you like. For the most part, orgasm is achieved in similar manners for both men and women, with subtle differences. A lot of people need a steady rhythm, with consistent pressure, for a certain amount of time, with lube. Fumbling around and alternating too often can cause someone to "get almost there" and then make them have to start completely over on building up.
Keep the whole Master/slave dynamic of you controlling her sexuality on the back burner for a bit. Many people believe that a sub/slave can’t hand over control they don’t have. She has to have control over her orgasms before she can hand that control over to you. The forced cumming, cum on command, refusal to allow orgasm, asking for permission before cumming, etc… really needs to take a back seat. It all just puts more pressure on her to "perform" when she’s already experiencing a road block in the bedroom.
Also keep in mind that a good portion of women can’t orgasm vaginally, only clitorally. Some need both types of stimulation. A good starting point might be to find out exactly what she does when she’s masturbating alone, and use a similar technique. Have her actually show you.
You may want to ask her what she fantasizes about while she’s alone, but I wouldn’t be a bit surprised if she doesn’t tell you. It may be the case that her fantasies are very taboo and on a subconscious level she feels that they are so secret that she can only have them when she’s alone. A better tactic than asking her to tell you the fantasy, might be to have her pick out 10 movies, or 10 pictures, or 10 magazines, that depict her deep fantasies. This kind of says "Hey. It’s ok to have that fantasy. See, 10 other people have it too." and you’ll get 10 points of reference. Find the pattern.
Tell her to not masturbate for a day or two before the two of you are going to try it together.
Then, a week later, go back to step one and repeat. Time, trial, and error.
It may be that she’s never able to orgasm with you. If that ends up being the case, please try not to take it personally. We’re all wired differently. If you do even the slightest things (like sighing in disappointment after a session when she couldn’t get off), she may very well resort to withdrawing her sexuality. Once that happens, it’s a very lonely place to be. Let her know that you love her and accept her for exactly who and what she is, with or without an orgasm.


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RE: Unable to orgasm except alone - 6/19/2006 11:14:37 AM   
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Hello all:
Newbie to the life, new to the list, and first post. What a subject to start with! Feel like I should take a number and stand in line. Yup, me too. I can wholeheartedly concur with a lot of what has been said.
 
Proprietrix makes some excellent suggestions - think I might just print it off and give it to my Master (if she has no objection)..... I especially like the emphasis on having the Dom/me ask questions to get feedback. My issue is one of those circular argument things..... when I am in that submissive state, the last thing I would even think of is trying to tell my Master what He should or shouldn't be doing to bring me to orgasm, I mean the whole idea of that just seems WRONG.... and in that sub mode I don't think I could even attempt it. To pipe up with a "Yes, that's perfect - do THAT".... I think not. This of course means that He gets little feedback about what is or isn't working other than obvious physical signs (writhe, moan etc), versus when one stimulates oneself, you get immediate and clear feedback from your body as to whether what you are doing is having the desired effect... or not. You need to say something, but when and how? Bit of a catch 22 n'est pas? Being asked frequently, during, seems like a good idea.
 
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RE: Unable to orgasm except alone - 6/20/2006 3:46:29 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Proprietrix
Suggestions:
Have her go pee and empty her bladder before you get started.
Plenty of foreplay.
Set the rule: No faking it. A lot of women who can’t orgasm, feel the physical sensations and they feel very very good, but after a while they get so frustrated and annoyed with trying to achieve orgasm that they fake it to get the session done and over with. It’s not necessarily that they want the physical sensations to stop. It’s that they want the mental frustration to stop. Pushing through that frustration is kind of like pushing through being sleepy before you get your second wind, or pushing through mild cramps when exercising. It gets bad, but it does pass. Faking orgasm is the easy way out.
Gag her, or even better, flat out tell her she’s to be silent. Some women feel this obligation to moan and groan as a means of saying "Yes. I like what you’re doing." If she’s someone who mentally fantasizes to reach orgasm, that "obligatory verbal feedback" can distract the fantasy. Let her know that she isn’t to give you any kind of pleasure noises unless they are genuine and come naturally.


These things more than any other, hit the nail on the head for me... thanks for the suggestions, Proprietrix and i hope you don't mind my using them for my own personal gain... lol  i never really realized how much these things could interfere/help. i hope now that i will have the nerve to give this list to my next partner and plead mercy for asking... lol

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RE: Unable to orgasm except alone - 6/20/2006 5:15:54 AM   
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wow, ok for once I am really glad to not have a problem thats being discussed on the boards. I havent ever had a problem getting there around someone else. ( I think in part its because I'm greedy lol and if what they are doing doesnt get "it" well.... nothing wrong with helping them out )
 
This may be a good suggestion for some of you as well. If you arent getting there with the things your partner is trying then show them what it is that you like and that pleases you. No one knows your body better than you do yourself.
 
For some that I have had interactions with they couldnt talk about what sexual hang ups they had, I found that if this happens having them start journaling with their fantasies helped. This way they arent "on the spot" so much and dont have to feel embarassed about any of it. I could read the journals while they were sleeping or some other time when they werent right there and feeling like they were being scrutinized for it.
 
JMO - YMMV

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RE: Unable to orgasm except alone - 6/24/2006 1:06:47 PM   
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I really enjoyed the OMG I am not the only one posts cause I always thought I was LOL

I cannot remember who posted which comments so many were excellent - I enjoyed the "he would die before he gave up" yup had that happen and it was getting really frustrating when I couldn't orgasm for him but then I think Propiertix said it.....when you start to feel in control you can't orgasm - ahhh yes!!! with him I do think that was the issue - it became to important to to him where it didn't matter to me and I had given up so much control already I think I was holding out on that last piece of surrender to him.

Personal Lubrication has never been an issue fo rme and one thing I learned at the end of my time with that one DOM - our session ended yet again with me not orgasming and he was going to be occupied for the night with other commitments -  I was supposed to ask permission for masturbation and orgasm, which btw I enjoy, I decided to see if I could orgasm if he didn't have any knowledge or control....and yes I did....WOW!! now I just about always "gush" and am multi-orgasmic.

So yes patience, build the trust but don't focus on the orgasm.......and find a way to have her feel totally outo f control then take the orgasm.  If you want it too much then you are putting her in control :)

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RE: Unable to orgasm except alone - 6/24/2006 1:13:44 PM   
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ohh one last thing on squirting or gushing, just in case this is a possiblity or issue with her

Place a thick towel doubled over towel under her and reassure her that its "okay to let go" and not worry about "wetting the bed" gushing or otherwise - just let it go - the towel is there to abosorb whatever is released.

when I inform a  partner I gush and that they need to use a towel - they spread it out.....uggghhh no no no its much more liquid than that - I have a towel that I trifold and double over under me when I masturbate and ya know what sometimes I do still soak it thru with ejaculation.

So now embarassment of feeling like you are wetting the bed adds to the orgasm release issue LOL - time and patience!!

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RE: Unable to orgasm except alone - 6/27/2006 8:35:58 PM   
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Proprietrix, thanks for the tips! 

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