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Hillwilliam -> RE: Cathoic Church earns $500,000 per molesteted child... (1/14/2013 6:06:38 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam quote: ORIGINAL: dcnovice Some 110,000 priests served during this time frame, and 4450 were accused of abuse. If I did the math right, abusers made up 4 percent of the total. Now obviously, any percent of abusers is too high. Yet part of me does bleed for the 96 percent of men If this point has already been made in the thread, apologies for the redundancy. Maybe if a significant portion of the 96% hadn't been aiding and abetting the 4% by hiding their activities from public scrutiny, I'd sympathize with them. True, but you have to remember, for the better part of history since Christ, the church has been basically in charge of human affairs. It is hard to break 1500 years of bad habits. I think that is the major part of the problem. 1500 years of ruling a large portion of the western world (de facto if not de jure) without being questioned will do it. Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely. I cant think of anything more corrupt. Hell, the US congress is a bunch of amateurs.

jlf1961 -> RE: Cathoic Church earns $500,000 per molesteted child... (1/14/2013 6:09:12 AM)
Yup. You have hit the nail on the head Hill. Of course it doesnt help that you have people like me running around for all that time complicating things. (I have been told the black death of the middle ages was my fault, as was the destruction of Pompeii.)

Hillwilliam -> RE: Cathoic Church earns $500,000 per molesteted child... (1/14/2013 6:20:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dcnovice quote: Maybe if a significant portion of the 96% hadn't been aiding and abetting the 4% by hiding their activities from public scrutiny, I'd sympathize with them. Fair enough. Do we know what percentage of non-abusing clergy were involved in aiding and abetting abuse by other priests? How many priests turned their coworkers in for child molestation in the last 50 years? Is that numberrrrrrrrrrr ZERO or very close? Clergy are a close knit community. Everyone knows everyone and what they're up to. (I taught at a Catholic HS) In most, if not all states, failure to report suspected child abuse is a felony. Even if you suspect something and you don't report, you can be sent up. NONE of these guys reported anything to the secular authorities as required by law. Every report went up the chain of command toward the Pope and it was 'handled in house'. Typically, this meant sending the offender to another Diocece where he had fresh new prey to rape. In answer to your question, every single one who didn't call the police but referred the pervert to his Bishop instead for 'counseling'. Every Bishop who reassigned a rapist to a new hunting ground. Every Archbishop and Cardinal who rubber stamped the transfers and said "Good job" to the Bishop who did it. It goes all the way to Rome. The percentage of the 96% who is also guilty is small but quite significant.

EsotericLady -> RE: Cathoic Church earns $500,000 per molesteted child... (1/14/2013 9:24:57 PM)
To the best of my knowledge, this a forum and not a contest. It was my hope that perhaps someone else, if they read my two posts, might better be able to put into words what I was trying to express...but now I see failed to do. I think many of us are guilty of trying to find the exact words to express ourselves on occasion. However I hardly think that earns anyone the right to tell someone that simple things are beyond their understanding, they are failures as people, and consequently have nothing worthwhile to contribute to a thread. That is all I wish to say or listen to in this matter. Be well... (Thank you) quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl You dont have to explain the "points" you were trying to make. quote: the Catholic Church as a provider of pedophiliac services (through their posts) as if that were the only thing they do, also. (Please see second quote below, thank you) And I have twice pointed out to you that, for myself, I have said this was NOT the only service they provide quote: "what the church is to pedophilia...ANOTHER SERVICE THEY PROVIDE." Are all services of businesses now to be spelled out completely? or can a business not have hidden or unadvertised services as well. I believe I have made my case that not only did the Church accept this was happening, they allowed it to continue from at least the 1940's that is documented. Now, while I appreciate your attempts at implying my intelligence is lacking..... ~smiles lets just say you failed.... fantastically. So, unless you have something else to add to the discussion? I was quite clear what my meaning was, from the first post I made till now. Debating a position stated seems to be beyond your understanding, perhaps, Im really not sure. But, do enjoy your day.

jlf1961 -> RE: Cathoic Church earns $500,000 per molesteted child... (1/14/2013 9:31:21 PM)
I have it on good authority that I am the direct cause of everything that is bad or catastrophic that has happened to mankind since modern humans appeared on the planet 50,000 years ago.

tazzygirl -> RE: Cathoic Church earns $500,000 per molesteted child... (1/14/2013 9:33:27 PM)
No, thank you for clarifying that your point didnt come across as you wished it too.... It did come across loud and clear... to many of us... just not how you expected it. [;)] quote: However I hardly think that earns anyone the right to tell someone that simple things are beyond their understanding, they are failures as people, and consequently have nothing worthwhile to contribute to a thread. I am guilty, on occassion, of the first... but some things are beyond some people's understanding for various reasons. Nor did I make that comment towards you. Failure as a person is far different than a failure at an attempt. So, unless you have something else to add to the discussion? You did note that was a question and not a statement of fact. ~smiles You are welcome.

FindommeJinx -> RE: Cathoic Church earns $500,000 per molesteted child... (1/15/2013 4:21:18 AM)
I am Catholic... I would just like for you to say- 'some members within the catholic church' instead of saying the catholic church on a whole. I am not defending the catholic church, just would appreciate if not all Bishops and priests were labelled. Thank you xox

Hillwilliam -> RE: Cathoic Church earns $500,000 per molesteted child... (1/15/2013 5:42:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FindommeJinx I am Catholic... I would just like for you to say- 'some members within the catholic church' instead of saying the catholic church on a whole. I am not defending the catholic church, just would appreciate if not all Bishops and priests were labelled. Thank you xox By referring to "The Church" I at least am referring to the organization and not all the individual members. For instance, during the prohibition, some police departments were known for their corruption. "The Department" was corrupt as a whole. This did not mean that individual street level cops (probably a majority of them) were clean as a whistle. It was the chief and higher ranks that made it possible. "The Church" is implicated because this particular corruption was aided and abetted by High ranking people up to and including the present Pope.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Cathoic Church earns $500,000 per molesteted child... (1/15/2013 5:50:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 I have it on good authority that I am the direct cause of everything that is bad or catastrophic that has happened to mankind since modern humans appeared on the planet 50,000 years ago. Your authority isn't quite so good. According to my ex, I was always to blame for everything that went wrong. I admit that I wasn't always blameless, however... <ponders> I wonder what would happen if she found out it was you all this time... [sm=hewah.gif]

DesideriScuri -> RE: Cathoic Church earns $500,000 per molesteted child... (1/15/2013 5:52:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FindommeJinx I am Catholic... I would just like for you to say- 'some members within the catholic church' instead of saying the catholic church on a whole. I am not defending the catholic church, just would appreciate if not all Bishops and priests were labelled. Thank you xox Are you replying to me, specifically with this?!? This has been my argument this entire thread.

Hillwilliam -> RE: Cathoic Church earns $500,000 per molesteted child... (1/15/2013 6:26:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: FindommeJinx I am Catholic... I would just like for you to say- 'some members within the catholic church' instead of saying the catholic church on a whole. I am not defending the catholic church, just would appreciate if not all Bishops and priests were labelled. Thank you xox Are you replying to me, specifically with this?!? This has been my argument this entire thread. I think she was referring to me. I could be wrong.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Cathoic Church earns $500,000 per molesteted child... (1/15/2013 6:59:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: FindommeJinx I am Catholic... I would just like for you to say- 'some members within the catholic church' instead of saying the catholic church on a whole. I am not defending the catholic church, just would appreciate if not all Bishops and priests were labelled. Thank you xox Are you replying to me, specifically with this?!? This has been my argument this entire thread. I think she was referring to me. I could be wrong. The "Reply to" in her post was to my first post in the thread. That's what has me confused. She had to click on the reply/quote button to that post.

tazzygirl -> RE: Cathoic Church earns $500,000 per molesteted child... (1/15/2013 2:28:48 PM)
Since you couldnt find this thread. I brought your question over here. quote: Yeah, it's interesting because I haven't taken the time to look it up yet. Damn me. Now, how about showing me in the $500k/molestation thread what my abortion beliefs are and how they frame what I post in a negative light? Interesting how easy that was. As far as your abortion beliefs.... quote: I completely agree. I am not "for" overturning Roe v. Wade. I'm for repealing it. If we overturn it, the Fed's are still making a decision for which they have no authority. It needs to be repealed, rescinded, whatever it's called. On abortion threads, I have always claimed that I, personally, am Pro-Life, but that Government has no authority to be Pro-Life or Pro-Choice. http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4093157 That thread is full of your "postions" on abortions. And, taking that stance, you come out heavy against any issue related to abortion because you claim the Federal Government doesnt have the authority to say what is legal or not. And, as usual, I call that a bull shit stance to excuse your own moral objections, of which you have no right to dicate my morality based upon your own.

jlf1961 -> RE: Cathoic Church earns $500,000 per molesteted child... (1/15/2013 2:37:31 PM)
The question I have is why have no good looking nuns taken advantage of your average Catholic High School jock?

tazzygirl -> RE: Cathoic Church earns $500,000 per molesteted child... (1/15/2013 2:42:19 PM)
There are good looking young nuns? Would a jock actually complain about such? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/12/man-says-he-was-abused-by_n_496563.html

jlf1961 -> RE: Cathoic Church earns $500,000 per molesteted child... (1/15/2013 2:46:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl There are good looking young nuns? Would a jock actually complain about such? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/12/man-says-he-was-abused-by_n_496563.html Yes actually there are some very good looking nuns in the church. And probably not. And in my opinion, good looking women should not be allowed to become nuns. The country needs more good looking strippers. Being a stripper is a religious calling aint it?

FindommeJinx -> RE: Cathoic Church earns $500,000 per molesteted child... (1/15/2013 3:45:49 PM)
Sorry I am a WOMAN... I am not expected to know this technical button pushing stuff... I just look pretty and sexy 24.7 and seem extremely intelligent??? anyway... it was meant for the man who posted the add...

jlf1961 -> RE: Cathoic Church earns $500,000 per molesteted child... (1/15/2013 3:47:45 PM)
Some people cannot seem to grasp the concept of sarcasm

dcnovice -> RE: Cathoic Church earns $500,000 per molesteted child... (1/15/2013 4:13:28 PM)
quote: How many priests turned their coworkers in for child molestation in the last 50 years? Is that numberrrrrrrrrrr ZERO or very close? Clergy are a close knit community. Everyone knows everyone and what they're up to. (I taught at a Catholic HS) In most, if not all states, failure to report suspected child abuse is a felony. Even if you suspect something and you don't report, you can be sent up. NONE of these guys reported anything to the secular authorities as required by law. Every report went up the chain of command toward the Pope and it was 'handled in house'. Typically, this meant sending the offender to another Diocece where he had fresh new prey to rape. In answer to your question, every single one who didn't call the police but referred the pervert to his Bishop instead for 'counseling'. Every Bishop who reassigned a rapist to a new hunting ground. Every Archbishop and Cardinal who rubber stamped the transfers and said "Good job" to the Bishop who did it. It goes all the way to Rome. The percentage of the 96% who is also guilty is small but quite significant. Yes, Hill, I get it. Really. Your carrying on as if you're the only one who grasps the situation is a bit tedious. Individuals in the institution did monstrous things. The institution did a monstrous thing by covering it up. Lives were shattered as a result. I made the most powerful statement I could about institutional Catholicism by leaving it decades ago. All that said, I also have compassion for the countless good people, some of whom I know personally, who will be forever blemished by crimes they didn't commit or play a role in covering up.

Hillwilliam -> RE: Cathoic Church earns $500,000 per molesteted child... (1/15/2013 5:04:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dcnovice Yes, Hill, I get it. Really. Your carrying on as if you're the only one who grasps the situation is a bit tedious. I'm not carrying on as if I'm the only one who 'gets it'. You and a few others are among the only ones on the planet who do NOT 'get it'. It's a powerful corrupt organization. The head honcho was one of the people who deliberately enabled Child Rapists to continue their reign of terror. Pretty much the whole world 'gets it' except for a few people who clutch a rosary in one hand and write letters of denial with the other.

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