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RE: NRA was pro-gun control when it came to Black Panthers - 1/13/2013 10:56:27 PM   
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Using a gun in self defense isnt about power.


It isn't?

At five two, I can defend against ANY size attacker without worry.  Even if you are six-six ( yes I have friends that sized) I can drop or disable you with a gun. 

So, yes,  a gun gives me MUCH more power than standing there unarmed. 

So. . . yes. .  using a gun in self-defense IS about power. 

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RE: NRA was pro-gun control when it came to Black Panthers - 1/14/2013 2:24:31 AM   
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RE: NRA was pro-gun control when it came to Black Panthers - 1/14/2013 4:39:01 AM   
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British gun control was in response to Bolshivism and the Troubles.

Nope.
The current British firearms ban is over a mass shooting in 1988. Google "Michael Ryan" or "Hungerford massacre".
Whatever else Ryan might have been, he wasn't a Bolshevik or a Provo.

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RE: NRA was pro-gun control when it came to Black Panthers - 1/14/2013 5:25:08 AM   
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British gun control was in response to Bolshivism and the Troubles.

Nope.
The current British firearms ban is over a mass shooting in 1988. Google "Michael Ryan" or "Hungerford massacre".
Whatever else Ryan might have been, he wasn't a Bolshevik or a Provo.


Moon, it is a fact that the average American would know nothing of this incident.

And no amount of gun control would have or has kept weapons out of the hands of militants of both sides in Northern Ireland.

The British system or one similar could possibly work in the US, if the average american gun owner, such as myself, were closer to civilized rather than being a bunch of uncivilized individuals who grew up with images of John Wayne, Randolf Scot and Audie Murphy being ingrained into our collective psyches.

Give us another 2 or 3 thousand years to achieve the same level of civilized behavior as you brits have and the gun problem in the US will disappear.

Actually, let the non Native American blooded Americans kill each other off and then us Native American blooded individuals can get this country sorted out the way it should have been.

A country where you can steal horses, women and hunt buffalo to your hearts content.

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RE: NRA was pro-gun control when it came to Black Panthers - 1/14/2013 7:05:59 AM   
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for many cowards and governments, guns are about power.

Interesting pairing.
I think you're right that governments do rely on guns as a tool of power. The military and police forces come to mind.
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Hunting for many isnt about power.

Don't guns give hunters the power to bag animals that they probably couldn't take down otherwise?
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Using a gun in self defense isnt about power.

Happily, I've never been in this situation. But here, it would seem that the gun is ALL about power, giving me the power to save my life and perhaps possessions as well.


Not sure if these examples of power are what is meant. Sun Tzu says:
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    “To win one hundred victories in one hundred battles is not the acme of skill. To subdue the enemy without fighting is the acme of skill” ― The Art of War


The power to be a success without a fight, may be nothing more than owning and showing yourself to be armed. In that case, the power of the firearm wasn't really anything more than perception. That is, there is a "potential" power that may be gained by a firearm, and a "kinetic" power given through the use of the firearm. Hunters rely on the kinetic power and bear little consideration that the potential power will be of any use. I'm willing to bet that the majority of gun owners who have them for self defense would much rather the gun be successful with potential, rather than with kinetic power (but the kinetic is there, if the potential fails).

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RE: NRA was pro-gun control when it came to Black Panthers - 1/14/2013 8:25:53 AM   
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British gun control was in response to Bolshivism and the Troubles.

Nope.
The current British firearms ban is over a mass shooting in 1988. Google "Michael Ryan" or "Hungerford massacre".
Whatever else Ryan might have been, he wasn't a Bolshevik or a Provo.


Yes, current gun control, but YOU are talking current, I was talking origin. As on why the brits had no fucking guns to fight off the nazis in WWII. I would have thought "Bolshivism" and "the troubles" would have made that obvious.

I am well familiar with British gun laws as I bought lots of guns there during that time to import here. In fact all the guns for Saving Private Ryan were stolen by our importer and leased to the film company.

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RE: NRA was pro-gun control when it came to Black Panthers - 1/14/2013 9:04:10 AM   
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British gun control was in response to Bolshivism and the Troubles.

Nope.
The current British firearms ban is over a mass shooting in 1988. Google "Michael Ryan" or "Hungerford massacre".
Whatever else Ryan might have been, he wasn't a Bolshevik or a Provo.


Moon, it is a fact that the average American would know nothing of this incident.

And no amount of gun control would have or has kept weapons out of the hands of militants of both sides in Northern Ireland.


It's always worth reminding people that those guns in Northern Ireland were mostly provided for the provos by the sort of American fuckwit who likes to pretend that he's Irish.
If Reagan felt justified in bombing Tripoli, maybe Thatcher should have nuked Boston after the Brighton bombing in 1984?

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RE: NRA was pro-gun control when it came to Black Panthers - 1/14/2013 9:06:39 AM   
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Yes, current gun control, but YOU are talking current, I was talking origin. As on why the brits had no fucking guns to fight off the nazis in WWII. I would have thought "Bolshivism" and "the troubles" would have made that obvious.

You're getting that from Robert Conquest? I hope you know he's much more respected as a poet than he is a historian...

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RE: NRA was pro-gun control when it came to Black Panthers - 1/14/2013 9:20:15 AM   
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Would the NRA change it's tune if every Black and Hispanic in the United States legally bought a AR-15 and carried it with them into White neighborhoods or into White-owned businesses?


How one acquires the firearm and how one uses it are two different things. In the time frame you reference in your OP the mantra of "by any means necessary" was rather popular. You want people walking down the street with semi automatic rifles chanting that?

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RE: NRA was pro-gun control when it came to Black Panthers - 1/14/2013 9:39:08 AM   
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RE: NRA was pro-gun control when it came to Black Panthers - 1/14/2013 9:49:01 AM   
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British gun control was in response to Bolshivism and the Troubles.


Gun control laws and the right to own weapons in England go as far back as back 1100s. Long before Karl Marx wrote "Das Capital" and "The Communist Manifesto"


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_the_United_Kingdom

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RE: NRA was pro-gun control when it came to Black Panthers - 1/14/2013 9:57:24 AM   
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Yes, current gun control, but YOU are talking current, I was talking origin. As on why the brits had no fucking guns to fight off the nazis in WWII. I would have thought "Bolshivism" and "the troubles" would have made that obvious.

You're getting that from Robert Conquest? I hope you know he's much more respected as a poet than he is a historian...


Nope, never heard of him before but google finds him.more a historian than a poet.

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RE: NRA was pro-gun control when it came to Black Panthers - 1/14/2013 11:47:22 AM   
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RE: NRA was pro-gun control when it came to Black Panthers - 1/14/2013 12:05:15 PM   
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It's always worth reminding people that those guns in Northern Ireland were mostly provided for the provos by the sort of American fuckwit who likes to pretend that he's Irish.
If Reagan felt justified in bombing Tripoli, maybe Thatcher should have nuked Boston after the Brighton bombing in 1984?


You cant nuke Boston, that is the only place on the planet to get decent clam chowder.

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RE: NRA was pro-gun control when it came to Black Panthers - 1/14/2013 5:15:39 PM   
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Oink, oink.

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RE: NRA was pro-gun control when it came to Black Panthers - 1/14/2013 5:39:17 PM   
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British gun control was in response to Bolshivism and the Troubles.

Nope.
The current British firearms ban is over a mass shooting in 1988. Google "Michael Ryan" or "Hungerford massacre".
Whatever else Ryan might have been, he wasn't a Bolshevik or a Provo.


Yes, current gun control, but YOU are talking current, I was talking origin. As on why the brits had no fucking guns to fight off the nazis in WWII. I would have thought "Bolshivism" and "the troubles" would have made that obvious.

I am well familiar with British gun laws as I bought lots of guns there during that time to import here. In fact all the guns for Saving Private Ryan were stolen by our importer and leased to the film company.

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Bolshivism


Bolshivism never was a threat to England. and "the troubles" I have no idea what that is. The British Army did have weapons but was not prepared for war. Then there was Neville Chamberlain, a consertive, who as Prime Minster, adopted a foreign policy of appeasement.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Army_during_the_Second_World_War

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RE: NRA was pro-gun control when it came to Black Panthers - 1/14/2013 6:07:19 PM   
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RE: NRA was pro-gun control when it came to Black Panthers - 1/14/2013 6:15:47 PM   
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Do you have a fucking point or do you just regurgitate shit you find on wiki?




You make claims such as "As on why the brits had no fucking guns to fight off the nazis in WWII" Actually the British did. I am pointing out to you that there is an alternative.

Do you get defensive when your view is challenged?

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RE: NRA was pro-gun control when it came to Black Panthers - 1/14/2013 6:22:42 PM   
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Just sayin'


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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

Do you have a fucking point or do you just regurgitate shit you find on wiki?




You make claims such as "As on why the brits had no fucking guns to fight off the nazis in WWII" Actually the British did. I am pointing out to you that there is an alternative.

Do you get defensive when your view is challenged?



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RE: NRA was pro-gun control when it came to Black Panthers - 1/14/2013 8:30:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		We were talking gun.control OF FUCKING CIVILIANS, not.military...caise most idiots know gun control doesnt usually apply to as nations fucking armies...so I assumed.intelligent people would realize I eas talking about british civilians who had no.guns to fight off the germans.

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