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jlf1961 -> RE: The NRA's New App.... (1/17/2013 2:24:44 PM)


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Playing violent video games and watching violent movies don't make a person more accepting of violence? Then it must also follow that watching hard porn doesn't have any affect on how men view women and it is not harmful. I think most women will say this is horseshit.



According to feminists, even reading playboy skews a male's outlook on women. It does not have to be hard core porn.

Of course a lot of women read playgirl, so does that change their outlook toward men.

I agree that violence in the entertainment industry (including video games) desensitizes people to violence, I do not believe it makes people, children or otherwise, more prone to violence.




Yachtie -> RE: The NRA's New App.... (1/17/2013 2:52:31 PM)


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ORIGINAL: jlf1961
I agree that violence in the entertainment industry (including video games) desensitizes people to violence, I do not believe it makes people, children or otherwise, more prone to violence.


I'm wondering if there is any common thread between these mass killers, like being on mood altering prescription drugs.




slvemike4u -> RE: The NRA's New App.... (1/17/2013 2:55:07 PM)


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ORIGINAL: jlf1961
I agree that violence in the entertainment industry (including video games) desensitizes people to violence, I do not believe it makes people, children or otherwise, more prone to violence.


I'm wondering if there is any common thread between these mass killers, like being on mood altering prescription drugs.


Yes,lets look for the underlying "common thread" while ignoring the common thread that jumps out at all of us.......they all had guns,and plenty of ammunition [8|]




Yachtie -> RE: The NRA's New App.... (1/17/2013 3:07:34 PM)


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ORIGINAL: jlf1961
I agree that violence in the entertainment industry (including video games) desensitizes people to violence, I do not believe it makes people, children or otherwise, more prone to violence.


I'm wondering if there is any common thread between these mass killers, like being on mood altering prescription drugs.


Yes,lets look for the underlying "common thread" while ignoring the common thread that jumps out at all of us.......they all had guns,and plenty of ammunition [8|]


Millions of Americans own guns and never commit any crime. What makes these killers different?





jlf1961 -> RE: The NRA's New App.... (1/17/2013 3:11:21 PM)


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ORIGINAL: jlf1961
I agree that violence in the entertainment industry (including video games) desensitizes people to violence, I do not believe it makes people, children or otherwise, more prone to violence.


I'm wondering if there is any common thread between these mass killers, like being on mood altering prescription drugs.


Yes,lets look for the underlying "common thread" while ignoring the common thread that jumps out at all of us.......they all had guns,and plenty of ammunition [8|]



Mike you are correct, they all had guns and plenty of ammo.

But a sane person does not go out and kill a bunch of people on a whim.

Even the soldiers convicted of killing unarmed civilians were found to have a mental condition, which should have gotten them discharged in the very least, and institutionalized.

Might I suggest a two pronged approach, more restrictive gun laws, and a mandatory reporting of people with a mental problem that could result in acts of violence?




Yachtie -> RE: The NRA's New App.... (1/17/2013 6:13:57 PM)


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ORIGINAL: jlf1961
I agree that violence in the entertainment industry (including video games) desensitizes people to violence, I do not believe it makes people, children or otherwise, more prone to violence.


I'm wondering if there is any common thread between these mass killers, like being on mood altering prescription drugs.


Yes,lets look for the underlying "common thread" while ignoring the common thread that jumps out at all of us.......they all had guns,and plenty of ammunition [8|]


Millions of Americans own guns and never commit any crime. What makes these killers different?





http://www.ssristories.com/index.php

Nah!!! Couldn't be. Could it?[8|]




Nosathro -> RE: The NRA's New App.... (1/17/2013 10:38:34 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Yachtie


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ORIGINAL: jlf1961
I agree that violence in the entertainment industry (including video games) desensitizes people to violence, I do not believe it makes people, children or otherwise, more prone to violence.


I'm wondering if there is any common thread between these mass killers, like being on mood altering prescription drugs.


Yes,lets look for the underlying "common thread" while ignoring the common thread that jumps out at all of us.......they all had guns,and plenty of ammunition [8|]


Millions of Americans own guns and never commit any crime. What makes these killers different?





http://www.ssristories.com/index.php

Nah!!! Couldn't be. Could it?[8|]


And all these drugs are still approved by the FDA




Nosathro -> RE: The NRA's New App.... (1/17/2013 11:04:14 PM)


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ORIGINAL: jlf1961
I agree that violence in the entertainment industry (including video games) desensitizes people to violence, I do not believe it makes people, children or otherwise, more prone to violence.


I'm wondering if there is any common thread between these mass killers, like being on mood altering prescription drugs.


Yes,lets look for the underlying "common thread" while ignoring the common thread that jumps out at all of us.......they all had guns,and plenty of ammunition [8|]



Mike you are correct, they all had guns and plenty of ammo.

But a sane person does not go out and kill a bunch of people on a whim.

Even the soldiers convicted of killing unarmed civilians were found to have a mental condition, which should have gotten them discharged in the very least, and institutionalized.

Might I suggest a two pronged approach, more restrictive gun laws, and a mandatory reporting of people with a mental problem that could result in acts of violence?

Funny you mention it

http://news.yahoo.com/u-soldier-charged-afghan-massacre-had-ptsd-lawyer-033701019.html

Might I suggest a two pronged approach, more restrictive gun laws, and a mandatory reporting of people with a mental problem that could result in acts of violence?

In 3 of the cases James Holmes, Seung-Hui Cho, and Adam Lanza were either seeing a counselor who reported as required by law, (there is a requirement in HIPPA) that their client was dangerous, however, the powers that be did not respond. In Adam Lanza case, his mother was preparing to have him commited to a state hospital.

New York new gun laws does also include such a provision.

http://www.abajournal.com/news/article/new_york_gun_law_would_require_therapists_to_report_suspected_danger_will_i/




Powergamz1 -> RE: The NRA's New App.... (1/17/2013 11:21:05 PM)

Like Sudafed?
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ORIGINAL: Yachtie


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ORIGINAL: jlf1961
I agree that violence in the entertainment industry (including video games) desensitizes people to violence, I do not believe it makes people, children or otherwise, more prone to violence.


I'm wondering if there is any common thread between these mass killers, like being on mood altering prescription drugs.






Powergamz1 -> RE: The NRA's New App.... (1/17/2013 11:24:46 PM)

Millions of Americans are taking prescriiption drugs. Millions listen to rap music and heavy metal. Millions are obsessed with violent games and movies. Millions are weird loners. Millions have committed suicide over the years.

What makes these specific shooters different isn't likely to be a single fingerpointing label.


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ORIGINAL: Yachtie


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ORIGINAL: jlf1961
I agree that violence in the entertainment industry (including video games) desensitizes people to violence, I do not believe it makes people, children or otherwise, more prone to violence.


I'm wondering if there is any common thread between these mass killers, like being on mood altering prescription drugs.


Yes,lets look for the underlying "common thread" while ignoring the common thread that jumps out at all of us.......they all had guns,and plenty of ammunition [8|]


Millions of Americans own guns and never commit any crime. What makes these killers different?







joether -> RE: The NRA's New App.... (1/18/2013 2:41:32 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Yachtie
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ORIGINAL: jlf1961
I agree that violence in the entertainment industry (including video games) desensitizes people to violence, I do not believe it makes people, children or otherwise, more prone to violence.

I'm wondering if there is any common thread between these mass killers, like being on mood altering prescription drugs.

Yes,lets look for the underlying "common thread" while ignoring the common thread that jumps out at all of us.......they all had guns,and plenty of ammunition [8|]

Millions of Americans own guns and never commit any crime. What makes these killers different?


Yeah, cus ALL of them pay their fair share of taxes and when audited by the IRS claim they just made an honest mistake....of $27,500....

When I'm on the roadways in different states, I've found a number of jokers with NRA stickers blowing past me while I did the speed limit. Your going to certify that ALL gun owners do not speed over the posted speed limits? Obey all the rules of the roadways? Even when visiting other states whose traffic laws might be alittle different?

An do they understand that owning a gun is 'ok' under what ever their state has decided for firearm ownership. But that having a '2nd Amendment Right' means they are part of the militia? They dont have the right to 'pick and choose' which laws they will obey and which they will ignore. It didnt work for former President George W. Bush, its not going to work for millions of Americans that dont have armies of lawyers to back them up...either!

These killers of a movie theater and elementary school are as of right now, 'honest and law abiding citizens' whom are gun owners. Until they are found guilty in a court of law, they remain innonent. Before and after they fired those guns in each tragedy, they were considered, under the law 'honest and law abiding gun owners'. These two individuals were not thought to be fringe members of society, or holding some evil agenda before the shootings. Sure, they were odd, but than, isnt every Tea Party Member and Birther? Some people thought these two individuals should have been checked more closely. Unfortunately, any attempt to remove firearm ownership from those that....might...be a danger to themselves or society has been fantanically opposed by gun owners, the NRA, and the Gun Industry.

We have scores of US Soldiers that have come home from fighting overseas. War does terrible things to the mind. Things the mind as just never created to handle. We have many soldiers that have already used firearms to kill their loved ones and themselves. Should we strip the guns from those soldiers that report they might be having problems of one form or another? Not one soldier would ever do such a thing, and tragedies would simply rise rather than decrease. Its the goal of doctors, psychologists, and therapists to help these soldiers heal wounds that have no visuable signs, not pushing them away.

An its not just the mass shootings that are the worst (they are indeed very bad). Its the stories not heard in the news media. Of a kid being killed by firearms that were poorly secured. Or of a gun owner using the law to justify homicide of someone they dont even know. There are good gun owners and bad gun owners. How do we tell the difference before something bad takes place?




joether -> RE: The NRA's New App.... (1/18/2013 3:08:36 AM)

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961
But a sane person does not go out and kill a bunch of people on a whim.


Actually there is more than enough cases were this has come up as 'confirmed'. Sane people have killed people on a whim. Its called 'blind rage'. Ever heard of little league fist fights? The ones that end in one parent being beaten to death in front of parents and kids alike? Now imagine what would happen when instead of a fist a firearm is used? Its not just one person killed but many. When someone is experiencing 'blind rage', the frontal portion of their brain literally shuts down. Thats the part that controls reasoning, thought, wisdom and reflection. The back half of the brain is forced to do something its not designed to handle.

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961
Even the soldiers convicted of killing unarmed civilians were found to have a mental condition, which should have gotten them discharged in the very least, and institutionalized.


The military does not do indepth mental and emotional health checks. They are training people to....KILL....THE....ENEMY. Don't you think....something...might get screwed up in the mental, emotional and physical training when a soldier is under duress, stress, and anxiety? Again, our brains are using software that was coded about 100,000 years ago. Evolution of the human brain has not caught up to 2013. And we know this stuff due to the advances science makes in a variety of fields. From medicine to chemistry.

But lets keep the rules of obtaining a firearm open to everyone, right? That's what the Gun Industry and their puppets, the NRA demand. Forcing a US Citizen to take a mental health evalution before or while they own their gun at certain intervals (i.e. 3 years) might be wise. Unfortunately you'll find enough Americans whom hold that it would violate the 2nd Amendment. Cus you know, the founding fathers whom lived over 200 years ago, had the same exact medical and science knowledge as we do today when they created the 2nd Amendment....right?

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961
Might I suggest a two pronged approach, more restrictive gun laws, and a mandatory reporting of people with a mental problem that could result in acts of violence?


How about a better approach:

1) The laws are updated based on our knowledge of medicine, psychology, and biochemistry as they apply to the human mind and enviromental conditions (stress, anxiety, genetics, history, living conditions, etc).
2) We amend the Affordable Care Act to include mental, emotional and perhaps spiritual help to US Citizens.

Reporting people that hold mental or emotional problems gets dicey as it could violate the patient/doctor privilage not to mention client/lawyer and the 4th amendment. I understand what your getting at. But pre-emptively barring a person from a firearm simply cus 1 in 2,000,000 persons with the same condition has gone nuts, its a bit....draconian. There are many people that have Depression for example. The ones that shouldnt have a firearm are the ones a medical doctor and/or psychologist have determine would be hazardous, giving their statements under oath before a sworn judge of the state the individual lives in. Because as I have learned, the grand majority of US Citizens know absolutely....NOTHING....about Depression. Which is why many in the mental health care believe the actual number of Depression sufferers is twice the number of those whom seek treatment.






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