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Powergamz1 -> RE: Executive Orders (1/17/2013 3:21:03 PM)

So twoooo liberals act as bad as the worst conservatives every time they get a chance? Naaaaah.
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ORIGINAL: LizDeluxe

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ORIGINAL: Powergamz1
Stripping people with a mental illness of their franchise as citizens on the say-so of of random apparatchik doesn't strike you as particularly onerous in what context?


Well, I have decided to take a page from the gun control zealots' playbook. They are happy to strip the rest of us of any right that they personally have no interest in. Since I am not mentally ill how Obama mistreats the mentally ill is not a big concern to me, right?




crazyLarry -> RE: Executive Orders (1/17/2013 7:49:33 PM)

First we have the 2nd amendment upheld just recently by the supreme court.
The reason for the 2nd amendment is to protect our rights from tyrannical govt.

Look at the number of rights the govt has taken from you in just this century (12 years). TSA, illegal search and seizure - think they are stopping at airports, they have held training exercises in Orange County, CA transit centers, Patriot Act allows govt to detain ANYONE without charges, warrant or legal council, Political Correctness has all but eliminated the first amendment.

Obama in 2006 said "Any President using executive order is committing a criminal act and should be prosecuted." What is he threatening to use to get his way and bypass our form of govt.

Assault weapons - no such thing. assault rifles are fully automatic machine guns used by the military and banned from the public for decades.
http://www.assaultweapon.info/

None of the weapons used in Newtown were illegal or will be made illegal and were obtained by the owner legally. The owner was killed by her son with her gun.

Limiting magazine size only means that the shooters carry more magazines, which they did in Newtown and Colombine.

When guns are outlawed only criminals and the govt will have guns. The biggest street gang in America today is the cops.

Hitler and Stalin and the State of CA first asked the people to register their guns, then knowing where they all were confiscated them. It happened in CA in the 1990s involving owners of AK type rifles. One year after they complied with registration the State required the owners to turn them in or make them inoperable by welding up the barrels. Sale or transfer was not allowed.

Australia - destroyed millions of guns, thousands of antique guns. One owner of a large collection of antique guns wanted to send them to a museum in the USA. Export of any privately owned guns banned. All without compensation.

Guns do not kill people, people kill people. They have been doing it for thousands of years with rocks, clubs, spears etc. It's the human not the tool that is the problem

In the days following Newtown a person pushed a complete stranger into the path of a subway train - second person killed this way in a month. In Los Angeles Ca a man walked into a drug store and bought a flammable liquid walked across the street and set a homeless woman on fire - she had slept on that same bus bench for 10 years. Again - it's the people.

Outlawing the tools used in a killing will not stop the killing.






crazyLarry -> RE: Executive Orders (1/17/2013 8:02:42 PM)

That newspaper in NY had no problem publishing the addresses of registered gun owners in the area, which by default published the addresses of gun free homes. These same newspaper people, after their addresses were published, hired armed guards both at the newspaper and their homes.
Like Fienstein, Roasy and the rest of the so called gun haters they don't want you and I armed but they hire armed body guards. Sounds more than a little hypocritical to me.

2 young women and 2 young men walked that area asking if any of them wanted a free sign stating that this was a gun free home - ALL DECLINED.



tazzygirl -> RE: Executive Orders (1/17/2013 8:10:13 PM)

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Assault weapons - no such thing. assault rifles are fully automatic machine guns used by the military and banned from the public for decades.


No they arent.

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Limiting magazine size only means that the shooters carry more magazines, which they did in Newtown and Colombine.


Which is why California wants to pass a bill to track ammunition sales.

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When guns are outlawed only criminals and the govt will have guns. The biggest street gang in America today is the cops.


Can you direct me to the bills proposed to ban all guns?

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One year after they complied with registration the State required the owners to turn them in or make them inoperable by welding up the barrels. Sale or transfer was not allowed.


Except for 'assault weapons', long guns are not registered in California.

All handgun serial numbers and sales are recorded by the state (registered) in the Department of Justice’s Automated Firearms System. Long arm serial numbers are not recorded, only the sale. While there is no requirement for California residents to register previously owned handguns or firearms with law enforcement, §12025 and §12031 enhance several misdemeanor offenses to felonies if the handgun is not on file in the Department of Justice’s Automated Firearms System. California §12025 states that handguns must be transported unloaded and in a locked box other than the glove compartment or utility box in a motor vehicle. New residents must register handguns (purchased outside of California) with DOJ within 60 days.

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Australia - destroyed millions of guns, thousands of antique guns One owner of a large collection of antique guns wanted to send them to a museum in the USA. Export of any privately owned gun banned. All without compensation.


Wrong.

Because the Australian Constitution prevents the taking of property without just compensation the federal government introduced the Medicare Levy Amendment Act 1996 to raise the predicted cost of A$500 million through a one-off increase in the Medicare levy. The gun buy-back scheme started on 1 October 1996 and concluded on 30 September 1997.[23] The buyback purchased and destroyed more than 631,000 firearms, mostly semi-auto .22 rimfires, semi-automatic shotguns and pump-action shotguns. Only Victoria provided a breakdown of types destroyed, and in that state less than 3% were military style semi-automatic rifles.

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Guns do not kill people, people kill people. They have been doing it for thousands of years with rock, clubs, spears etc. It's the human not the tool that is the problem


Guns in the hands of the wrong people kill people.




lovmuffin -> RE: Executive Orders (1/17/2013 10:33:00 PM)

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Assault weapons - no such thing. assault rifles are fully automatic machine guns used by the military and banned from the public for decades.


No they arent.



I'm afraid he is correct Tazzy. An assault rifle is a medium range (not high powered ammunition) light weight rifle capable of semi automatic fire or with the flick of a switch fully automatic fire, they are illegal to own without a transfer, a tax and an extensive background check. Most civilians have been completely priced out of the market. The guns at issue are common semi automatic rifles, carbines and handguns (been around for over 100 years) built on military platforms mainly for durability. Technically there is no such thing as an "Assault Weapon". You can't even define the term. 10 different people will give you 10 different definitions. But let me give it a try. Assault weapons are all semi automatic guns, an entire class of firearms.





tazzygirl -> RE: Executive Orders (1/17/2013 10:43:05 PM)


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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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Assault weapons - no such thing. assault rifles are fully automatic machine guns used by the military and banned from the public for decades.


No they arent.







LOL. did you have something to add or are you just reposting what I said?



lovmuffin -> RE: Executive Orders (1/17/2013 10:51:05 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl


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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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Assault weapons - no such thing. assault rifles are fully automatic machine guns used by the military and banned from the public for decades.


No they arent.







LOL. did you have something to add or are you just reposting what I said?



I should just follow you around re-posting your stuff LOL


I'm not even going to get into the " track ammunition sales" at the moment. It's too incomprehensible to contemplate.



tazzygirl -> RE: Executive Orders (1/17/2013 10:56:02 PM)

I think its more tracking the sales....

Skinner's AB 48 would require the following:
Ammunition sellers must be licensed.
Ammunition purchasers must show identification.
Ammunition sellers must report all sales to the state Justice Department.
The Justice Department shall create a registry of ammunition purchases, to be made available to law enforcement agencies.
The Justice Department must notify law enforcement of large-quantity ammunition purchases.
It also would ban kits that convert ammo feeding devices into high-capacity magazines.

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SB 47 by state Sen. Leland Yee, D-San Francisco: Would prohibit semi-automatic rifles from having "bullet buttons" and "mag magnets," which are add-on devices that allow the gun to be easily reloaded; Yee says such devices are a loophole in the state's existing law which requires that magazines for such weapons be fixed and require a tool to remove.

SB 53 by state Sen. Kevin de Leon, D-Los Angeles: Would require anyone wishing to buy ammunition in California to first obtain a state purchase permit from the Justice Department, valid for one year and to be issued only after a background check.

http://www.mercurynews.com/crime-courts/ci_22326241/berkeley-legislator-unveils-bill-regulate-california-ammunition-sales



lovmuffin -> RE: Executive Orders (1/17/2013 10:59:25 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

I think its more tracking the sales....

Skinner's AB 48 would require the following:
Ammunition sellers must be licensed.
Ammunition purchasers must show identification.
Ammunition sellers must report all sales to the state Justice Department.
The Justice Department shall create a registry of ammunition purchases, to be made available to law enforcement agencies.
The Justice Department must notify law enforcement of large-quantity ammunition purchases.
It also would ban kits that convert ammo feeding devices into high-capacity magazines.

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SB 47 by state Sen. Leland Yee, D-San Francisco: Would prohibit semi-automatic rifles from having "bullet buttons" and "mag magnets," which are add-on devices that allow the gun to be easily reloaded; Yee says such devices are a loophole in the state's existing law which requires that magazines for such weapons be fixed and require a tool to remove.

SB 53 by state Sen. Kevin de Leon, D-Los Angeles: Would require anyone wishing to buy ammunition in California to first obtain a state purchase permit from the Justice Department, valid for one year and to be issued only after a background check.

http://www.mercurynews.com/crime-courts/ci_22326241/berkeley-legislator-unveils-bill-regulate-california-ammunition-sales



What can you expect from CA. I'm sure NY will try it too. I don't think the free states will have anything to do with it. I don't see what it accomplishes.



tazzygirl -> RE: Executive Orders (1/17/2013 11:01:05 PM)

If you suddenly have someone buying a bulk load of ammo, it raises red flags, no?



Powergamz1 -> RE: Executive Orders (1/17/2013 11:04:23 PM)

Or stretch the definition of a 'martial arts weapon' to cover a blind man's folding white and red cane. Or confuse an infant with a name on the terrorist 'No Fly' list.

Yes, the bureaucracy can overreach like that...
http://www.nytimes.com/1989/05/25/us/blind-man-who-was-beaten-by-the-police-files-a-claim.html
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2012/05/10/toddler-no-fly-list.html


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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri


The issue I take with this, isn't that it guarantees things will happen, but opens the door so things might happen. When Government pays for your health care, isn't it prudent use of taxpayer money to take actions to limit the amount of taxpayer money spent on health care? Wouldn't mandating people be healthier help in reducing health care spend? Of course it would. Wouldn't eating healthier help that same cause? Of course, it would. Now, if the Government is in charge of paying for health care, what is to stop it from telling everyone that they can't, oh, I don't know, drink more than 16 oz. of soda/pop at one sitting? Ban trans-fats? Ban Foie Gras? Restrict salt intake? Stop smoking, drinking, etc.?

But, that'll never happen, right? [8|]




lovmuffin -> RE: Executive Orders (1/17/2013 11:07:09 PM)

LOL Many many people I know buys ammo in bulk. So many buy in bulk, usually 1,000 - 3,000 or more for quantity discounts, especially surplus ammo, that you couldn't possibly check them all out.



tazzygirl -> RE: Executive Orders (1/17/2013 11:16:47 PM)

Then the license requirement makes even more sense.



lovmuffin -> RE: Executive Orders (1/17/2013 11:25:16 PM)

It really doesn't seem sensible to me but I don't think I'm going to change your mind. Pretty much most of this gun control stuff is senseless, illogical, emotional, and not very well thought out.



tazzygirl -> RE: Executive Orders (1/17/2013 11:57:55 PM)

Im all for responsible gun ownership.... but what I am seeing isnt responsible.



SadistDave -> RE: Executive Orders (1/18/2013 1:09:02 AM)

Pointless claptrap; all of it...

All that may sound impressive to people who want gun control, but ultimately it doesn't amount to much. In the end, Oummer proved himself to be an empty chair yet again. Once again he utterly failed to deliver anything of significance and managed to deliver nothing but more bureaucratic nonsense.

Don't get me wrong, I'm tickled pink that he's such a useless piece of shit on the gun control issue. Fortunately the Obamabots aren't smart enough to realize that once again he promised something he didn't have the balls to deliver on.

It's really kind of pathetic though, that he would figuratively stand on the graves of slain children to push something this insignificant.

-SD-



heartcream -> RE: Executive Orders (1/18/2013 1:23:49 AM)

I didnt read any of this. I was stopped at the part where the OP says superiorly, "you conspiracy nut cases".

I hate bullying and name calling. Rubs me all the wrong ways.



tazzygirl -> RE: Executive Orders (1/18/2013 1:31:04 AM)

lol... its called... having a sense of humor. There are many who just insisted Obama was out to take all their guns.



DomKen -> RE: Executive Orders (1/18/2013 3:00:13 AM)

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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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Assault weapons - no such thing. assault rifles are fully automatic machine guns used by the military and banned from the public for decades.


No they arent.



I'm afraid he is correct Tazzy. An assault rifle is a medium range (not high powered ammunition) light weight rifle capable of semi automatic fire or with the flick of a switch fully automatic fire, they are illegal to own without a transfer, a tax and an extensive background check. Most civilians have been completely priced out of the market. The guns at issue are common semi automatic rifles, carbines and handguns (been around for over 100 years) built on military platforms mainly for durability. Technically there is no such thing as an "Assault Weapon". You can't even define the term. 10 different people will give you 10 different definitions. But let me give it a try. Assault weapons are all semi automatic guns, an entire class of firearms.

The nitwits and liars at the NRA have obfuscated the matter but the assault rifle is very well defined.

It is a class of long arm designed after or during WWII to be smaller and lighter than the battle rifles of the era. the weapon fires a, then, new class of ammunition, lower caliber than the roughly .30 fired by battle rifles but high velocity. Whether the weapon is select fire is immaterial what matters is overall length and weight of the weapon and the ammo it uses.



Moonhead -> RE: Executive Orders (1/18/2013 5:24:08 AM)

Hang on, so an automatic rifle that fires a heavier bullet than a 5.56 isn't an assault rifle because it uses a bigger bullet? That can't be right as the ak47 (7.62, unlike the ak74 which is a 5.56) is the very model of a modern assault rifle...



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