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There is no blame or claim to or for who takes what piece of land and owns it at any one time in history. All through history every country existing today has been taken…lost…and retaken. We have all benefited from the atrocities and conquests of the past. There or no innocents… Not the American Indians that fought and took land from each other… Not the Palestinians whose distant relatives took the land from others… certainly not the Israelis…or the Germans… or the French…or the Chinese …no country today was not formed from a conquest in the past.

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

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ORIGINAL: Yachtie

Oh, I don't know about that. What is it they say? You can't fight City Hall? From the point of City Hall, they're right even when they're wrong.

Well poor you. I thought you had a democracy over there and could do as we do and vote in local elections.

If you dont vote in local elections, the only one to blame is you. Something I constantly tell my brother, fwiw.

It is not the people that are voted into city hall that is the problem.

It is those damn dimwitted know it all fucked up bureaucrats that are the problem

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That was then, this is now, Butch

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That was then, this is now, Butch

Can you think of nothing else. This...."Now my question, with 20/20 historic hindsight and looking at the present, was any people justified in stealing land from the native peoples there?" is the question he wants answered.

He is asking a question in history and hindsight... He already started a thread on Israel and you had plenty to say there.

Butch

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Now I believe that Israel is wrong building settlements in the occupied territory, considering it was meant to be a buffer against Arab neighbors, and in the process expelling Palestinians who have been on those lands for generations.

Now my question, with 20/20 historic hindsight and looking at the present, was any people justified in stealing land from the native peoples there?

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

Are you suggesting elected officals have no control over their minions then ?

If the elected officials actually managed the system instead of just signing documents and doing photo shoots, yes they would.

You see the average British person does not grasp the intricacies of American politics.

1) first there is the campaign, the primary tactic is to say whatever you think the voters want to hear, not that you are actually going to go through with what you say.

2) Hire a staff of bureaucrats to handle the day to day operations, only bothering you when something needs signed, reading the paperwork is optional but not required.

3) At city level, occasionally propose a new city ordnance, hold a press conference to deal with whatever near scandal the local news has dug up. At higher levels, such as state or federal, toe the party line, propose bills to please the party financial backers, call the other side obstructionist or any thing that makes them look bad, and vote when necessary. (reading and understanding the bill being voted on is discouraged.)

4) Be available for photo ops and speaking engagements to make your stand on the issues known through sound bites.

5) Never, ever let the voters find out you are actually doing nothing constructive to deal with any of the issues you addressed in the campaign.

Those are the basics of American Politics

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

Are you suggesting elected officals have no control over their minions then ?

If the elected officials actually managed the system instead of just signing documents and doing photo shoots, yes they would.

You see the average British person does not grasp the intricacies of American politics.

1) first there is the campaign, the primary tactic is to say whatever you think the voters want to hear, not that you are actually going to go through with what you say.

2) Hire a staff of bureaucrats to handle the day to day operations, only bothering you when something needs signed, reading the paperwork is optional but not required.

3) At city level, occasionally propose a new city ordnance, hold a press conference to deal with whatever near scandal the local news has dug up. At higher levels, such as state or federal, toe the party line, propose bills to please the party financial backers, call the other side obstructionist or any thing that makes them look bad, and vote when necessary. (reading and understanding the bill being voted on is discouraged.)

4) Be available for photo ops and speaking engagements to make your stand on the issues known through sound bites.

5) Never, ever let the voters find out you are actually doing nothing constructive to deal with any of the issues you addressed in the campaign.

Those are the basics of American Politics

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ORIGINAL: Nosathro

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

Are you suggesting elected officals have no control over their minions then ?

If the elected officials actually managed the system instead of just signing documents and doing photo shoots, yes they would.

You see the average British person does not grasp the intricacies of American politics.

1) first there is the campaign, the primary tactic is to say whatever you think the voters want to hear, not that you are actually going to go through with what you say.

2) Hire a staff of bureaucrats to handle the day to day operations, only bothering you when something needs signed, reading the paperwork is optional but not required.

3) At city level, occasionally propose a new city ordnance, hold a press conference to deal with whatever near scandal the local news has dug up. At higher levels, such as state or federal, toe the party line, propose bills to please the party financial backers, call the other side obstructionist or any thing that makes them look bad, and vote when necessary. (reading and understanding the bill being voted on is discouraged.)

4) Be available for photo ops and speaking engagements to make your stand on the issues known through sound bites.

5) Never, ever let the voters find out you are actually doing nothing constructive to deal with any of the issues you addressed in the campaign.

Those are the basics of American Politics

You should run for office.......