The legal, labor laws & tax side of servants performing duties

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Mysia -> The legal, labor laws & tax side of servants performing duties (1/21/2013 8:47:30 AM)
Not real sure where this question goes, so please mod if need be. I'm looking for information and experiences concerning legal, labor laws and tax issues for slaves-servants-subs (etc) that perform regular household chores and are NOT sexually active with the dominant or considered to be involved in a romantic relationship. This would vary according to state, of course, which is fine for my interests. If you have experience with this, what type of contract is used, if any? How do you classify your relationship, on paper and verbally? Are the duties in writing? Did you consult a lawyer? Have you ever had problems tax or law enforcement authorities, and can you share? Do you pay your slave (wages, tips, gifts, allowances)? Does your slave contribute finanicially either to the household or to you? Post here or PM me.

LafayetteLady -> RE: The legal, labor laws & tax side of servants performing duties (1/21/2013 8:52:48 AM)
You are talking about a service only s-type. You don't talk about whether or not the s-type lives with the d-type, works a regular job in addition to service. The reality is that for a service sub, this isn't a "job." They voluntarily choose to do the service. So there would be no wages. Without wages, there are no tax repurcussions or need for a lawyer. Neither would there be the need of a contract. BDSM contracts (which this does pretty much fall into) are not legally valid, and no lawyer who wants to keep their license is going to write one. That being said, any financial issues are decided by the party. I would consider it no different that working off the books.

AthenaSurrenders -> RE: The legal, labor laws & tax side of servants performing duties (1/21/2013 9:46:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady The reality is that for a service sub, this isn't a "job." They voluntarily choose to do the service. So there would be no wages. Without wages, there are no tax repurcussions or need for a lawyer. Neither would there be the need of a contract. This. You can do anyone a favour if you want to. I've done chores for my neighbours, my grandparents, my friends... there's no legal implications, it's just one person helping another out. That said, if you are paying them, the tax man wants a cut. The tax man wants his share whenever money exchanges hands. But at that point aren't they just a maid or a paid servant? In which case a standard employment contract would suffice, whatever that looks like in your area.

TheLilSquaw -> RE: The legal, labor laws & tax side of servants performing duties (1/21/2013 9:54:28 AM)
I had a long term service submissive, a sissy maid. He came dressed fem, in a little maids outfit, nylons and heels. He wasn't an employee. He was a volunteer. He wasn't paid. I didn't keep a w-2 or any other paper work on file for him. If he would have been an employee. Well the dynamics would have been different. From what he he wore, records I kept, to his compensation. ETA: I've volunteered at local sr. centers to do chores. They didn't keep records or tax info for me either.

RedMagic1 -> RE: The legal, labor laws & tax side of servants performing duties (1/21/2013 10:38:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mysia I'm looking for information and experiences concerning legal, labor laws and tax issues for slaves-servants-subs (etc) that perform regular household chores and are NOT sexually active with the dominant or considered to be involved in a romantic relationship. In general, volunteer services received are considered taxable income. As a practical matter, this isn't likely to come up, because someone has to tell the IRS you received the services. But the tax man thinks you're on the hook if your neighbor re-roofs your house for free, make no mistake. The answers so far on this thread do not appear to be written by professionals, and I would suggest you talk to a pro, in real life. I'll post a link, but for a question like this, free advice on the internet is worth exactly what you're paying for it. http://www.ehow.com/info_8447646_do-charge-taxes-services.html

muhly22222 -> RE: The legal, labor laws & tax side of servants performing duties (1/21/2013 12:01:47 PM)
Alright, I'll give you some ideas to research and maybe that'll lead to additional questions. I'm categorically NOT giving legal advice. You are not my client. I am not your attorney. No attorney-client relationship is being formed. (I'm just covering my own ass, ethically, here). If anybody's being paid in your arrangement, the laws would change, but it doesn't sound like that's the case. If it is, you definitely want to consult a lawyer and/or accountant in your area to make sure that things are being done properly. Since you're not paying him, and he's not paying you, it's a volunteer service situation. Technically, you are receiving something of value (the chores being done); exactly how much value probably depends on what you would have to spend if you were hiring a cleaning service to do the same chores. It isn't a big deal when this happens occasionally, but if this is an every-week arrangement, there may be a substantial income benefit to you (in that you are receiving all of this without paying for it). Now, if it's a "I clean your house, you spank me" type of arrangement (without sex or romance), then you're giving a service in exchange for a service, and the tax implications are much different. Now, I don't have any experience with this kind of arrangement personally. I would offer to discuss in more detail via PM, but I don't think I can be a lot of help with Oregon laws.

OsideGirl -> RE: The legal, labor laws & tax side of servants performing duties (1/21/2013 12:07:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RedMagic1 In general, volunteer services received are considered taxable income. As a practical matter, this isn't likely to come up, because someone has to tell the IRS you received the services. But the tax man thinks you're on the hook if your neighbor re-roofs your house for free, make no mistake. The answers so far on this thread do not appear to be written by professionals, and I would suggest you talk to a pro, in real life. I'll post a link, but for a question like this, free advice on the internet is worth exactly what you're paying for it. http://www.ehow.com/info_8447646_do-charge-taxes-services.html ^^This. Especially, if you're trading services for room and board. ie: the folks that are looking for live in nannies or housekeepers. Kaliko has stated that she had a situation where business traded her room for services and taxes had to be paid.

Mysia -> RE: The legal, labor laws & tax side of servants performing duties (1/21/2013 3:49:04 PM)
Thanks everyone. I'm certainly not looking for legal or tax advise, rather I am curious as the issues was brought up. Which got me thinking over kinks and wondering if a servitude companion is up my twisted ally. And then... came the thought of taxes. I pay my taxes. Yeah, sucks, but I'm a believer in them (even if I don't agree with all of them). So when someone brings up their great relationship with Xperson, how they clean and cook and rub their feet and life is just GRAND I can't help but wonder what the IRS thinks. Technically, if you're living with room and board, doing assigned chores and not having sex with a person or are not publically known as a couple, then yeah--Services are being rendered. Granted, I'm not a tax or legal professional. But this situation just screams "TAX me" from what I've been reading up in the law books today. Not only that but states like Oregon have extra min-wage stipulations to top the Feds. This seems to apply to non-live in services, too. Not sure about volunteered aid. And this >> "...tell the IRS you received the services." That one is begging for a devil's advocate isn't it? Ouchy.

LookieNoNookie -> RE: The legal, labor laws & tax side of servants performing duties (1/21/2013 4:17:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mysia Not real sure where this question goes, so please mod if need be. I'm looking for information and experiences concerning legal, labor laws and tax issues for slaves-servants-subs (etc) that perform regular household chores and are NOT sexually active with the dominant or considered to be involved in a romantic relationship. This would vary according to state, of course, which is fine for my interests. If you have experience with this, what type of contract is used, if any? How do you classify your relationship, on paper and verbally? Are the duties in writing? Did you consult a lawyer? Have you ever had problems tax or law enforcement authorities, and can you share? Do you pay your slave (wages, tips, gifts, allowances)? Does your slave contribute finanicially either to the household or to you? Post here or PM me. There's no State contract, however, there is a nationally understood wage, which is $27.50 an hour and....one blowjob (in addition) for every 4 hours performed service. (Glad I could help).

littlewonder -> RE: The legal, labor laws & tax side of servants performing duties (1/21/2013 4:24:39 PM)
Seriously? Is this a real question??? If it is, all I can say is.....wow. I am speechless. Well, no I'm not, but it would take way too long for me to type it out.

DesFIP -> RE: The legal, labor laws & tax side of servants performing duties (1/21/2013 5:36:49 PM)
I have an adult child living here with assigned chores, and there are no taxes due. Plus in the present economy, many people are trading services of equal value. IE: room and board in exchange for caretaker services. If what you both get is equal in value, I can't see who owes money and who doesn't. More importantly, why would someone do this if they didn't get anything out of it? I've known male subs to do this in exchange for discipline and play. But that's sexual even if there's no penetration. Are you going to tell the IRS you clean the house and in exchange you get a stiffy? Not sure how that would be taxed.

littlewonder -> RE: The legal, labor laws & tax side of servants performing duties (1/21/2013 6:37:14 PM)
Heh...I had a fuck buddy who would fix stuff around my house in exchange for a night of fucking. For some odd reason I never once thought about worrying about taxes. I also have a brother in law who would fix everything around my house when I asked him to in exchange for a six pack of beer. Yeah, never worried about the IRS then either.

TheLilSquaw -> RE: The legal, labor laws & tax side of servants performing duties (1/21/2013 6:49:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie There's no State contract, however, there is a nationally understood wage, which is $27.50 an hour and....one blowjob (in addition) for every 4 hours performed service. (Glad I could help). I gotta tell my primary partner this one! Wait does that mean he has to get a bj from all of his employees? That could proof to be FUN!

Lynnxz -> RE: The legal, labor laws & tax side of servants performing duties (1/21/2013 8:23:18 PM)
You know.... If I went to go have some kinky time at someone's house, and 3 months later got a 1099... There would be no more kinky time.

LafayetteLady -> RE: The legal, labor laws & tax side of servants performing duties (1/22/2013 8:15:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RedMagic1 quote: ORIGINAL: Mysia I'm looking for information and experiences concerning legal, labor laws and tax issues for slaves-servants-subs (etc) that perform regular household chores and are NOT sexually active with the dominant or considered to be involved in a romantic relationship. In general, volunteer services received are considered taxable income. As a practical matter, this isn't likely to come up, because someone has to tell the IRS you received the services. But the tax man thinks you're on the hook if your neighbor re-roofs your house for free, make no mistake. The answers so far on this thread do not appear to be written by professionals, and I would suggest you talk to a pro, in real life. I'll post a link, but for a question like this, free advice on the internet is worth exactly what you're paying for it. http://www.ehow.com/info_8447646_do-charge-taxes-services.html Actually, in general, volunteer services are NOT taxable. Someone volunteering at a nursing home, hospice, hospital, etc. are doing CHARITABLE WORK, and it is a tax deduction. And yes, I do know what I'm talking about. I have done other people's taxes for some years now. Oh, and I do them as a favor, not a job. Honestly, had YOU known what you were talking about, I would expect a better link than something from e-how, which is not all that reliable. Oh, and it was talking about SALES TAX, not income tax, which are expressly different. In any case, in states in Florida, sales tax is DEDUCTABLE on your federal income tax. Of course, it isn't worth doing unless the sales tax is substantial, however, if one were to save their receipts from every purchase over a year, i.e. grocery, clothing, miscellaneous purchases, that amount can add up. Of course the purchase of a major item such as a car or home is a no brainer deduction on sales tax. In any case, your link does not apply to the OP's question. Even if the s-type were paid (which really means they aren't an s-type anymore), it isn't taxable until it reaches a certain amount per month.

RedMagic1 -> RE: The legal, labor laws & tax side of servants performing duties (1/22/2013 8:19:34 AM)
Humorously enough, I provided a specific example of what I was talking about, which related to the OP. Your post doesn't refute anything I've said, and, in fact, might lull the OP into a false sense of security by making it sound as though her situation is analogous to a charitable contribution. Please speak directly to "the tax man thinks you're on the hook if your neighbor re-roofs your house for free, make no mistake" with reliable links.

kalikshama -> RE: The legal, labor laws & tax side of servants performing duties (1/22/2013 9:39:08 AM)
quote: Kaliko has stated that she had a situation where business traded her room for services and taxes had to be paid. I think you mean me, and yes, I worked 40 hours per week at a volunteer job and received room and board plus. They assigned my room, board, and benefits a dollar value and paid taxes on it. OP - how many hours per week of work are you talking about?

LafayetteLady -> RE: The legal, labor laws & tax side of servants performing duties (1/22/2013 9:43:30 AM)
Ehow is not reliable by any means. And that was where the post you quote is. While in the most technical sense, a neighbor putting a new roof on for you could be considered "volunteer" work, it is more like a "favor." "Volunteer" work typically refers to those giving time to charitable institutions. I can't help you if you don't know the difference between the two. And once again, your link provides information regarding SALES tax, which is not applicable to the OP. Were she to pay someone for their services as a housekeeper, she would need to have the person fill out a W4 and provide them with a W2 at the end of the year. Again, this typically only applies after a certain amount of income is being made. These types of services when provided as a live in do not include sales tax unlike a place like say, MerryMaids. Just like someone in an office doesn't charge sales tax to their employer. Does this make it more clear to you or would still like to argue about something you clearly don't know about? For ACCURATE and RELIABLE information, feel free to read all the information provided in this link: http://www.irs.gov/uac/Forms,-Publications,-and-Other-Tax-Products

OsideGirl -> RE: The legal, labor laws & tax side of servants performing duties (1/22/2013 9:53:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kalikshama quote: Kaliko has stated that she had a situation where business traded her room for services and taxes had to be paid. I think you mean me, and yes, I worked 40 hours per week at a volunteer job and received room and board plus. They assigned my room, board, and benefits a dollar value and paid taxes on it. OP - how many hours per week of work are you talking about? Oops, yes. It was you. My bad. Sorry.

RedMagic1 -> RE: The legal, labor laws & tax side of servants performing duties (1/22/2013 10:15:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady Does this make it more clear to you or would still like to argue about something you clearly don't know about? I haven't argued with you yet. You are trying to create an internet pissing contest where none exists. I have given suggestions to the OP, including a statement that people on the thread do not appear to be professionals. You acknowledge I'm correct about that, at least where it concerns you. So we're agreeing on the point that matters most in the thread. Does anyone seriously believe the IRS does not consider a transaction to be taxable if it takes place in a barter economy? "Do all the dental work I need, and I will let you worship my feet every night for a month," would be another example in line with the question of the OP. Both sales tax and income tax potentially apply to such arrangements, depending on the jurisdiction. That's why the answer (as is standard for questions of law) is, "It depends. Talk to an expert."

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