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Okay, answer me this, when you take away all the legal guns in the states, HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU GOING TO DEAL WITH THE ILLEGALLY OWNED GUNS?

You're right. Let's just not have any safety measures at all, and make it as easy as possible for the criminals.

I am not saying we should have no regulations, but did you read the stuff I posted about how criminals get their guns? Not to mention those people who illegally bring weapons into the US.

All anti gun people want to do is take guns from people who legally bought and registered them, I have yet to hear one person come up with a way to deal with the hundreds of thousands if not millions of illegally acquired guns.

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All anti gun people want to do is take guns from people who legally bought and registered them, I have yet to hear one person come up with a way to deal with the hundreds of thousands if not millions of illegally acquired guns.

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ORIGINAL: xssve

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All anti gun people want to do is take guns from people who legally bought and registered them, I have yet to hear one person come up with a way to deal with the hundreds of thousands if not millions of illegally acquired guns.

Well they get them from the pro gun people, where else?

Duh.

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

You are assuming that domestic gun violence happens in homes "where guns are kept readily at hand like in a drawer or closet etc." You really think that's commonplace?

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We can all understand Jo Citizen not wanting to confront a perp with heavy firepower but someone going nuts with a knife or club etc? Someone would act and the death vs injury ratio would be much less, regardless.

Depends on the level of mastery the person has with the object.

FFS...! You're seriously equivacating the overall killing power of clubs and knives etc to firearms???? Sheesh...![font]

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Shaming us to look at the elephant in the room?!? That's what you did? Sorry, but, no. No you didn't. You essentially said, "I don't accept as valid the solutions you are currently discussing, that you think are valid, so you can't use those. But you still have to present solutions that I will accept as valid." You are essentially giving a limited area for people to find a solution where none of your questionees believes there is a solution.

No, not did, it's what I've *attempted* to do. The fact that you're all in denial and paranoid at the prospect of having one gun taken off you is enough for you to close your eyes and put an index finger firmly in each ear and chant ad nauseum, "la la la la....".

The only choices you're willing to see are background checks, gun classes (more shooting) and armed security guards (more guns). IE, anything that won't affect *your* right to physically hold on to your personal arsenal.

Oh yeah, and the horrendous body count. None of you pro-gunners wanna talk about, acknowledge or even know about that, at all...!

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And, where do you think gangs get their guns? Tazzy quotes ½-million guns are stolen every year (which I believe I've seen on an FBI link, so I'm not questioning it). Do you think that this is the only way they get their guns? Do you think if there weren't guns to steal that they'd kick the dirt, say, "Aw, shucks!" and not source them another way? Please.

Stolen? From where or whom? Rhetorical, btw. Have you not yet grasped my meaning of "means and opportunity"? You know, enabled to steal or acquire (and thus use) when there's such a massive pool available! You're making my point for me, for chrissakes...!

Focus.

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ORIGINAL: Powergamz1

Right, because everytime a police officer shoots a criminal that was trying to kill someone, it is 'domestic'... of course a few posts ago, you were sure that most of total killings were due to the epidemic of weekly school massacres.

Pretending that you can't see the answers to your challenges (like the sensible gun reduction program in Richmond), and then crowing that you've 'won' followed by a spew of jingoistic and bigoted insults, is even less correct or useful.

And the cherry picked history that pretends that Australian weapons control had no connection to media and politicians provoking the bourgeoisie hysteria that the aboriginal and Asian population was getting 'dangerous', equals what they call '3 strikes' in cricket.

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From what I can determine, most on here that support guns are decent and law-abiding citzens. But unfortunately, there are far too many throughout the US that aren't...

From what I can determine, most drivers are decent law-abiding citizens. But unfortunately, there are far too many throughout the U.S. that get boozed up and climb behind the wheel. Would you suggest we outlaw vehicles with engines over 100hp? Lower the speed limit to 30mph on our Interstates?

There's the problem: the "solutions" being touted are bullshit.

K.

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Anyone got a good answer?

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Anyone got a good answer?

Given pro-gun fanatics like to pretend it's only the mentally ill who kill with firearms, I don't think a sign is going to make a scrap of difference. Unless you think mental illness vanishes when you put up a sign.

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Actually they dont, sorry to burst your bubble. We admit that the gun crimes committed by mentally disturbed individuals are just a small percentage, kinda like the very small percentage of the use of assault weapons by criminals.

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Actually they dont, sorry to burst your bubble. We admit that the gun crimes committed by mentally disturbed individuals are just a small percentage, kinda like the very small percentage of the use of assault weapons by criminals.

Then why do you all respond to Sandy Hook by rambling on about mentally ill people and their access to weapons? As it is, there is no evidence yet to suggest the shooter was mentally ill. None.

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Lets see, on record statements by his mother about his problems dont count?

God I wish that were true, considering it was my mom's statement to sheriff's deputies that got me put in a mental ward for 30 days because of an attempted suicide.

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Lets see, on record statements by his mother about his problems dont count?

God I wish that were true, considering it was my mom's statement to sheriff's deputies that got me put in a mental ward for 30 days because of an attempted suicide.

Two different time periods.. two different sets of rules.

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Wow, you are full of assumptions tonight.

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Oh, I completely agree, mental health is a major issue in this country.

Best estimate before we see any improvement? 10 years

Average estimate? Depending on funding, who knows, to be honest.

Now, lets talk honestly. There are so many who are against the government that they will never admit it.

There are so many that are not going to admit to it because it will affect their gun rights.

There are so many that wont take the medications because they dont want to be mind controlled.

Mental illness will never be wiped out. If just those three groups dont overlap, we have many who will never seek treatment.