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Guns


There is too much regulation already.
  10% (28)
There should be far more stringent background checks.
  15% (39)
Reinstate the ban on assault guns.
  11% (29)
Make conceal and carry the law in all 50 states.
  10% (28)
Make gun classes mandatory.
  16% (42)
The only guns availible to the public should be hunting rifles.
  4% (12)
The 2nd amendment includes individuals owning firearms.
  21% (54)
The 2nd amendment does not include individuals, it's been distorted.
  3% (8)
I wish my country had gun laws similar to the US
  0% (1)
I don't want my country to have gun laws like the US
  6% (16)


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RE: Guns - 1/27/2013 5:56:39 PM   
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And if you were up against a very alert 20-year-old burglar, they are almost certainly going to get you first because their reactions are that much faster and probably more accurate too.

Guns kill... regularly, indescriminately, and at a distance.
And in the hands of someone not law-abiding or deranged in some way, nobody is safe.

Without those guns, the world is a much safer place - the figures prove that.


IMagine how safe the world would be without cars and dangerous people!

20 year old win?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7HN7THecwg

you sure about that?

this is kool as well

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=8HzCnymSugQ

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RE: Guns - 1/27/2013 5:57:21 PM   
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I'm trying to picture that, LP - it's so alien to me, as a Brit.

Does your average Alaskan, walking the two mile back road to the shop in the morning for bread and milk, say, have to carry a rifle in case she or he should get set upon by a grizzly or a cougar?

You have to understand that there basically aren't any dangerous wild animals here in the UK.



In some parts of the country the large predator population like grizzly bears, black and brown bears, cougars and wolves is booming, the damn things act like they are rabbits.

Now the climate in the UK would not be much different than they have here, so what you say, we ship a few hundred of each type of bear and cougar, and a few thousand wolves to the UK to make life interesting for your country folk.

Yes I am being sarcastic.

But yes there are parts of the lower 48 and alaska that large predators do have a nasty habit of attacking humans. Google Cougar attacks in California.

Around where I live we have the occasional cougar, and mostly coyotes. Since Cougars are endangered in west Texas, if one becomes a problem, we call fish and game. As for coyotes around here, there is a $75 on the pests, and none on wild hogs which are a bigger problem with the damage they do to pastures and fields.


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RE: Guns - 1/27/2013 5:58:32 PM   
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The thread is about guns - not everything else you can throw up as a defense.

As for cars and killing people....
We see plenty of drunk drivers on the US roads.
Your police don't seem to want to actively catch DUI drivers unless they can be seen to break the law.
Over here, random breathalyzers are commonplace and we catch a lot of those idiots before they kill someone.
And the speed limit??
Ours is much higher than in the US.
Germany's autobahns are even higher still.
Germany has a lower rate of speeding car deaths than we do.
We have a lower rate of speeding deaths than that of the US.
What does that tell you?
It's not the speed that kills - it's reckless drivers.
And when I was living in the US, that 55mph interstate speed limit was making me very drowsy when driving and many times I was nearly asleep at the wheel. That to me is highly dangerous and should be raised. Over here, I drive at 70-80mph on the motorways and dual carriageways. I haven't had any motoring accident in well over 20 years.


And in most cases, a very alert 20-year old will out-wit a much older person.

You will always find some exception to the general rule no matter what subject is under discussion.
But to quote that as "evidence" is fool-hardy and petty and doesn't really prove anything.


And sure, the world would be much safer without mad and manic people - that's a given.
But if you take away the most damaging thing that they can get their hands on has got to be better than allowing them to get hold of it, surely??
But of course, you won't see that point because you're blinkered.


20 year olds are fools, they would not have a chance of outwitng an alert older person.

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RE: Guns - 1/27/2013 6:05:05 PM   
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JLF,

Did you become a gun-freedom extremist as a result of fear of wild animals? I'm just trying to get my head around why certain people in the USA become such as yourself, that's all. It's all quite alien, as you might understand.





I was raised around guns, started shooting a 22 at six, and at 8 I got my first deer. Five of my guns you could term assault rifles, although they modified to take the .308 instead of the .223, before I bought them. The sixth is a custom hog gun built on an AR 15 frame. Then there are two pistols I own, a M1A, and the rest are bolt action .308s and a lapua 338 magnum for a total of 15.

The bolt actions I use for deer, and the AR rifles I use for dealing with wild hogs, I dont charge for clearing them from the ranches and farms around here, I just take the meat. Boar meat has a gamy taste in my opinion so I have it dressed for dog food, sow meat I have dressed into chops, bacon, and hams.

Not being snarky or anything, but if you ever find yourself in my neck of the woods, you are more than welcome to go on a hog hunt with me, not as a shooter, but just to see how big the bastards get.

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RE: Guns - 1/27/2013 6:05:41 PM   
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Okay, answer me this, when you take away all the legal guns in the states, HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU GOING TO DEAL WITH THE ILLEGALLY OWNED GUNS?



You're right. Let's just not have any safety measures at all, and make it as easy as possible for the criminals.


Do what our police do - raid the gangs and take their guns, knives and drugs too.
Or did you miss that in my post?

You all keep on about the criminals as if they are being left out.
They get treated the same as everyone else!



That darn Constitution again 4th admendment

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RE: Guns - 1/27/2013 6:07:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yup, granted there have been attempts in recent years to get around it, but for the most part, you cant raid a house or building without a warrant and unless you have evidence there is something illegal going on there, no judge is going to sign off on it.

The officer may know that something illegal is going on, but without proof, well the term we be fucked comes into play.



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RE: Guns - 1/27/2013 8:51:08 PM   
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I'm trying to picture that, LP - it's so alien to me, as a Brit.

Does your average Alaskan, walking the two mile back road to the shop in the morning for bread and milk, say, have to carry a rifle in case she or he should get set upon by a grizzly or a cougar?

You have to understand that there basically aren't any dangerous wild animals here in the UK.
It's not an every day occurrence. It's still a safer bet if you are going to be in the woods for any period of time. There are other animals to add to the list. (For example, moose charge if you get too close and they *will* win.) If you go camping or fishing, it's not a contest that you are going to win by hitting a 1400 lb animal with a stick.



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RE: Guns - 1/27/2013 8:52:49 PM   
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I'm trying to picture that, LP - it's so alien to me, as a Brit.

Does your average Alaskan, walking the two mile back road to the shop in the morning for bread and milk, say, have to carry a rifle in case she or he should get set upon by a grizzly or a cougar?

You have to understand that there basically aren't any dangerous wild animals here in the UK.
It's not an every day occurrence. It's still a safer bet if you are going to be in the woods for any period of time. There are other animals to add to the list. (For example, moose charge if you get too close and they *will* win.) If you go camping or fishing, it's not a contest that you are going to win by hitting a 1400 lb animal with a stick.





What about those brilliant individuals who go bear hunting with a single shot 44 magnum target pistol to prove they are macho, or has that fad died out.

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RE: Guns - 1/27/2013 8:58:10 PM   
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You know the joke about the fish and game guide who was asked why his pistol had the site sanded down. It's so when the bear shoves the tiny pistol up the guy's ass it won't hurt as much.


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RE: Guns - 1/27/2013 9:03:25 PM   
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I'm trying to picture that, LP - it's so alien to me, as a Brit.

Does your average Alaskan, walking the two mile back road to the shop in the morning for bread and milk, say, have to carry a rifle in case she or he should get set upon by a grizzly or a cougar?

You have to understand that there basically aren't any dangerous wild animals here in the UK.
It's not an every day occurrence. It's still a safer bet if you are going to be in the woods for any period of time. There are other animals to add to the list. (For example, moose charge if you get too close and they *will* win.) If you go camping or fishing, it's not a contest that you are going to win by hitting a 1400 lb animal with a stick.





What about those brilliant individuals who go bear hunting with a single shot 44 magnum target pistol to prove they are macho, or has that fad died out.

You forget people who hunt grizzly with a bow, Maybe the fad has died, maybe the people who did it.

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RE: Guns - 1/27/2013 9:27:10 PM   
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I'm trying to picture that, LP - it's so alien to me, as a Brit.

Does your average Alaskan, walking the two mile back road to the shop in the morning for bread and milk, say, have to carry a rifle in case she or he should get set upon by a grizzly or a cougar?

You have to understand that there basically aren't any dangerous wild animals here in the UK.
It's not an every day occurrence. It's still a safer bet if you are going to be in the woods for any period of time. There are other animals to add to the list. (For example, moose charge if you get too close and they *will* win.) If you go camping or fishing, it's not a contest that you are going to win by hitting a 1400 lb animal with a stick.





What about those brilliant individuals who go bear hunting with a single shot 44 magnum target pistol to prove they are macho, or has that fad died out.



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RE: Guns - 1/27/2013 9:27:29 PM   
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Bears, wolves, cougars with a bow, not on your life.

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RE: Guns - 1/27/2013 9:36:49 PM   
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jlf.............you are right about those nasty boars. Years ago one of them broke into my sow's pen, let her out, bred her.........then killed my old dog (15) as he came up with friendly intentions. We are over run with them down here in Florida. I penned up 4 of them (about 4 months old) fed them and raised them up to about 150lbs. That was some fine eating; but I knew enough to purge the wild out of them w/ regular feed first.

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RE: Guns - 1/27/2013 9:37:51 PM   
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Deer with a bow, sure, if my shoulder could handle it.

Bears, wolves, cougars with a bow, not on your life.

Me either

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RE: Guns - 1/27/2013 9:39:46 PM   
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jlf.............you are right about those nasty boars. Years ago one of them broke into my sow's pen, let her out, bred her.........then killed my old dog (15) as he came up with friendly intentions. We are over run with them down here in Florida. I penned up 4 of them (about 4 months old) fed them and raised them up to about 150lbs. That was some fine eating; but I knew enough to purge the wild out of them w/ regular feed first.

You know they used to say that the most important piece of equipment for boar hunting was a tree.

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RE: Guns - 1/27/2013 9:46:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well this does raise an interesting point about frame of reference... the actual occurence of hunting in the US although an anachronism, does remain part of a direct lineage going back to the colonist/monarchist split.

In England, all wildlife belonged to the Crown (the charge for poaching was 'Taking the king's deer', and was a no-no for peasants, barring the occasional bunny-bop.
The elite were allowed all sorts of sports and gluttonous feasting on the results of the carnage, but the average person was already getting their animal food from knackers and fishermen at the time Daniel Boone was splitting bullets and kilting 'Bars'.

The image of the lone woodsman in the US remained one of providing food for one's own table. Even though it has morphed into today's alcohol fueled spree shooting where countless deer, corn feeders, floodlights, and the occasional enemy hunter die annually, the mythical image remains. It is a twin of the Gary Cooper lone hero with a six-shooter making entire communities safe against hirsute and unkempt gangs. The closest the Brits have to that iconic image is something called I believe 'Morris Dancing'...

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RE: Guns - 1/27/2013 9:53:38 PM   
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Well this does raise an interesting point about frame of reference... the actual occurence of hunting in the US although an anachronism, does remain part of a direct lineage going back to the colonist/monarchist split.

In England, all wildlife belonged to the Crown (the charge for poaching was 'Taking the king's deer', and was a no-no for peasants, barring the occasional bunny-bop.
The elite were allowed all sorts of sports and gluttonous feasting on the results of the carnage, but the average person was already getting their animal food from knackers and fishermen at the time Daniel Boone was splitting bullets and kilting 'Bars'.

The image of the lone woodsman in the US remained one of providing food for one's own table. Even though it has morphed into today's alcohol fueled spree shooting where countless deer, corn feeders, floodlights, and the occasional enemy hunter die annually, the mythical image remains. It is a twin of the Gary Cooper lone hero with a six-shooter making entire communities safe against hirsute and unkempt gangs. The closest the Brits have to that iconic image is something called I believe 'Morris Dancing'...

In many parts of the country deer hunting is far from an anachronism many people eat venison all year, for some it is the primary source of meat. Your alcohol fuel spree shooting is an abomination spurined by the overwhelming majority of hunters but hyped by anti hunting groups.

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RE: Guns - 1/27/2013 10:23:29 PM   
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JLF,

Did you become a gun-freedom extremist as a result of fear of wild animals? I'm just trying to get my head around why certain people in the USA become such as yourself, that's all. It's all quite alien, as you might understand.




I know I'm not JLF, but thought I'd toss out an answer to your inquiry.

First, I don't think that either JLF or myself would be classified as being "extremists", though you might think so because we do have and believe in the ownership of firearms.

Like Jlf, I grew up hunting, and around hunters. I stopped hunting big game a number of years ago, especially deer, because I felt kind of guilty for killing the animals since I didn't really enjoy the taste of the game. The meat didn't go to waste, though, because I did always give it to people that could make good use of it.

I first started looking into a concealed weapon permit, not because of wild animals, but because of dogs. A lady friend and I were hiking in the foothills on the north edge of Boise and were attacked by two dogs, a large rottweiler and some kind of mixed breed that was even bigger than the rottweiler, that were accompanying their owner while she was on an evening run. But she didn't have them on a leash, and they decided we looked like something good to chew on. I used a day pack as a shield between myself and the two dogs, and had my friend stay behind me...keeping me between her and the dogs. Luckily we came away from the incident unscathed, but I never went hiking again without at least a heavy walking stick that could be used as a club.

Mountain lions are not common in that area, but it isn't unusual for at least one or two to be seen during times when food is scarce in the high country, often due to wild fires, drought, etc.

A number of years earlier than our encounter with the dogs, my brother was hiking just a couple of miles from that location when he rounded a bend in the trail and came face to face with a black bear. Fortunately, the bear decided to high-tail it in one direction while my brother quickly exited in a different direction. Had that been a sow bear with a cub or cubs things could have turned out very differently. Again, bears aren't common there, but not unheard of.

In another incident, my hiking lady friend and I were on a trail that was actually quite a few miles from "civilization" when we encountered a couple of rather rough and scruffy looking characters on the trail. They gave me a rather uneasy feeling, but nothing happened. However, it did hit home as to just how vulnerable you are when you are in the wilderness. Possible threats don't have to come from wild animals.

Right now, I do have a couple of handguns, a .22 rifle, and a 12 gauge shotgun. I keep the handguns for personal and home protection due to a fairly large amount of gang activity in my area. I don't plan on doing any more hunting, but I do keep the 12 gauge, and to a lesser extent the .22, just "in case" the economy takes a tumble and hunting becomes something of a necessity just to put food on the table.

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RE: Guns - 1/27/2013 11:11:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		Friday night when I and five friends went over to a neighbor's place (9 miles away, but a neighbor none the less) we got a total of 9 out of 30 that were running together, one boar weighed just under 500 pounds, biggest one I have ever seen. As I said, I dont like the meat from wild boar, so we field dressed it, and took it to a local game processor to have it processed, smoked, and cooked into dog food.

Our count was two boars, and 7 sows, the sows processed out to each of us getting 400 pounds of meat, hams, ribs, bacon, and chops. which are being smoked for us as I type this, I will pick it all up probably Tuesday.

I got to use my 456 socom hog gun from Red Jacket. I took the boars, and my friends dealt with the smaller hogs.

The meat from the hog hunts are probably gonna pay for that rifle in about two years.

Tuesday I have been invited on a coyote hunt, seems a farmer has them taking his sheep... or they are feral dogs. Since there is a bounty on coyotes in this county, I should pay for my ammo.

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RE: Guns - 1/28/2013 12:29:04 AM   
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