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RE: is holacaust denial antisemitic? - 1/29/2013 5:15:15 PM   
Switcheroo1983


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Status: offline 		Good posts guys. I was being pretty rhetorical when asking about Nanking, as let's face it, the Chinese weren't Jews. That's what a lot of it boils down to. "Revisionists" will use the few Jewish "revisionists" as "evidence" that the holocaust should be "looked into". 6 million Jews and roughly 5.5 million gentiles didn't just vanish into thin air. The Allies had never even put the number at 6 million until Heinrich Himmler was captured. When questioned on the numbers of Jews killed, Himmler estimated that "at least 5 million" were killed. This catapulted the number and the Allies realized they had something much larger on their hands then every possibly thought before. "Revisionists" will try to claim that Himmler was tortured to get that figure, but I don't think making him a strong herbal tea he was fond of constitutes torture.


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RE: is holacaust denial antisemitic? - 1/29/2013 9:53:03 PM   
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I visited Oskar Schindler's factory in November of last year. It was a truly moving experience. I also visited Auschwitz and the home where Anne Frank and her family hid in Amsterdam. These were places I wanted to visit for many, many years. You can't stand in those places and truly believe it is all fake. At least not if you have an ounce of sense and a modicum of brain cells.


Was it hard, to be there? I'm going to visit Dachau one day, because of my great-uncle. I feel like that's something I need to do. But even just thinking going makes me feel a little heartsick.

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RE: is holacaust denial antisemitic? - 1/29/2013 10:16:40 PM   
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yes it's anti-semitic and that's why I have a certain poster here well known for it, on ignore, because CM allowed him to say such things with nothing done to him.



late as usual, but once again, agrees 1000000 percent with little wonder.

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RE: is holacaust denial antisemitic? - 1/29/2013 10:26:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		I was raised Catholic, with my father being first generation born here, and my mom's side having been here since colonial times, so I have no history like that. However, it was something I had wanted to do for more than twenty years.

I think if your great uncle was in Dachau, it is going to be very difficult because of personal history. Regardless, the level of discomfort depends on the individual. It wasn't "hard" for me to see it. It was more like appalled, disgusted, amazed, shocked and a state of awe for the people who had the personal strength and faith to come out of that and go on to live full lives.

I spoke with a woman at Auschwitz who was Polish. She has spent years searching the records for information regarding various family members. Some she has been successful in finding out what happened to them, but for others, there simply are no records because towards the end, that meticulous record keeping started to slip from the sheer volume of prisoners that they were bringing in daily. Some were missed. Some escaped. Some died before an attempt at creating a record could be made. So much of many people's research was previously done by talking to other prisoners (there is much documentation on this). Now a significant number of those memories have been recorded for current and future generations to search through, but it isn't nearly enough. There are certainly parents and children who were separated and never reunited, with those children growing up having no idea that their parents search until their dying day to find them. That is what is so hard.

When you go, if you have the time, I recommend you travel over to Krakow, Poland and visit the Oskar Schindler Museum. It is in his factory, although it is more about the occupation of Poland more than Schindler himself. However, there is so much information and historical memorabilia there, it is worth seeing.

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RE: is holacaust denial antisemitic? - 1/31/2013 5:32:50 AM   
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I find it quite interesting, that the holocaust, which has so much evidence to support it's quite real existence, has so many deniers world over, when the Rape of Nanking, which has considerably less evidence to support it, has almost no deniers outside of certain circles in Japan. No, I am in no way denying the Rape of Nanking, just finding it odd that holocaust "revisionists" don't raise the same question about Nanking circa 1937-1938.


are you writing them out a check for reparations? NO

you are writing presumed holocaust victims out a check and that makes it your personal business to know where why and how you money is being spent, yet the whole subject has no bonafide proof.

If piles of dead bodies and grandpa seen them is all someone needs to prove a holocaust then yep there is lots of evidence.

On the other hand if one wants to look deeper into known facts that most of what people think they know is american/british/russian propaganda that muddies the water.

Americans have a right to FULL DISCLOSURE OF FACTS before we send out mney and we do not have that, there fore we have a vested interest in every detail of WTF happened. Not to mention several eurpoean countries have laws passed that they are not allowed to deny it if that does not raise huge fucking red flags in someones mind what does.


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RE: is holacaust denial antisemitic? - 1/31/2013 5:52:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		So (just out of interest), what would constitute proof in your book?
The excuses for ignoring evidence you've spent the thread making suggests that nobody could prove that the American Civil War or the Indian Mutiny happened to your satisfaction either: all the witnesses are dead and there's nothing remaining to prove it happened besides a few monuments which are clearly fakes put up to perpetuate a hoax...

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RE: is holacaust denial antisemitic? - 1/31/2013 6:03:11 AM   
Real0ne


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Status: offline 		we knew the german codes and there is no as in zippo as in nadda hard evidence of mass gassing humans.

in fact they cant even make up there minds how many died and the very latest numbers are as low as 1/2 million total between all the camps.



you do not need to remind me of fucking evidence, since people here think nothing of a 3 MILLION MISCOUNT, well I happen to take all bonafide evidence into account, not blind statements that only serve to pull at heart strings or ego or some bullshit preconception taught by a grade school marm or my war hero grandad who didnt know shit about what he was looking at in the first place, and dont shit yourself I had (and lost) relatives in both theaters.



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RE: is holacaust denial antisemitic? - 1/31/2013 6:05:16 AM   
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Not to mention several eurpoean countries have laws passed that they are not allowed to deny it if that does not raise huge fucking red flags in someones mind what does.

Huge red flags only in the mind of someone who did not experience the devastation Euro nations suffered as a consequence of Hitler's perverse racist philosophy. The experience of the extreme suffering of WW2 is not within the American psyche. None of us therefore has standing to pass judgment upon the Holocaust Denial Laws of European Nations. But we can pass judgment upon the racist stupidity, danger and evil intent of Neo-Nazi White Power Sovereign Citizen groups in America. The KKK, Posse Comitatus, and off shoot groups that espouse toxic racist crap should all burn in Hell tomorrow if not sooner.

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RE: is holacaust denial antisemitic? - 1/31/2013 6:09:08 AM   
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Not to mention several eurpoean countries have laws passed that they are not allowed to deny it if that does not raise huge fucking red flags in someones mind what does.

Huge red flags only in the mind of someone who did not experience the devastation Euro nations suffered as a consequence of Hitler's perverse racist philosophy. The experience of the extreme suffering of WW2 is not within the American psyche. None of us therefore has standing to pass judgment upon the Holocaust Denial Laws of European Nations. But we can pass judgment upon the racist stupidity, danger and evil intent of Neo-Nazi White Power Sovereign Citizen groups in America. The KKK, Posse Comitatus, and off shoot groups that espouse toxic racist crap should all burn in Hell tomorrow if not sooner.


huh? seems to me you the one that is blaming christianity at large for all the jewish ills?

What about the danger of toxic jewish racists?

and you do know dna has shown hitler to be jewish, not that we did not know that preww2









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RE: is holacaust denial antisemitic? - 1/31/2013 6:10:31 AM   
Moonhead


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you do not need to remind me of fucking evidence

Well, when you actually produce some, rather than hysterical blather, that line might hold some water.
Until you can manage that, all you're doing is throwing a tantrum because people are choosing to believe historical and anecdotal accounts rather than treating your word as a superior source to all of the pro ZOG lies the Conspiracy have been coming out with since 1945.

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RE: is holacaust denial antisemitic? - 1/31/2013 6:13:15 AM   
Real0ne


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Status: offline 		See when someone posts sources and pictures that is called evidence last time I checked. I have posted several.

feel free to point ANY source you have posted.

You mean the records that were withheld from the public?

So you now joined the ranks of a conspiracy theorist? I do not recall saying anything was a conspiracy.

have you figured out how many died yet?





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RE: is holacaust denial antisemitic? - 1/31/2013 6:18:54 AM   
Moonhead


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See when someone posts sources and pictures that is called evidence last time I checked. I have posted several.

feel free to point ANY source you have posted.


I'm still waiting for you to post a source or picture that's vaguely credible, rather than drawn from some conspiracy theory site that makes Stormfront look like the BBC. I could post a link to Barbelith and claim that the holocaust was actually a mass alien abduction and everybody's getting fussed about nothing, but I wouldn't be fool enough to describe that as "evidence"...

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RE: is holacaust denial antisemitic? - 1/31/2013 6:22:41 AM   
Real0ne


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See when someone posts sources and pictures that is called evidence last time I checked. I have posted several.

feel free to point ANY source you have posted.


I'm still waiting for you to post a source or picture that's vaguely credible, rather than drawn from some conspiracy theory site that makes Stormfront look like the BBC. I could post a link to Barbelith and claim that the holocaust was actually a mass alien abduction and everybody's getting fussed about nothing, but I wouldn't be fool enough to describe that as "evidence"...



well I am waiting for you to post a credible israeli site that has fair and balanced evidence.


Like hitler having semite blood is a good start.




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RE: is holacaust denial antisemitic? - 1/31/2013 6:24:53 AM   
Moonhead


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Status: offline 		When did I say anything about Israeli sources or the Austrian monorchid being jewish?

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RE: is holacaust denial antisemitic? - 1/31/2013 6:25:36 AM   
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When did I say anything about Israeli sources?



When did I say anything about storm whatever





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RE: is holacaust denial antisemitic? - 1/31/2013 6:29:48 AM   
Moonhead


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RE: is holacaust denial antisemitic? - 1/31/2013 6:33:02 AM   
Real0ne


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Since hitler is a known to have "semitic blood" that would make a lot of people here antisemite now wouldnt it. LOL

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RE: is holacaust denial antisemitic? - 1/31/2013 7:49:36 AM   
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do you do know dna has shown hitler to be jewish, not that we did not know that preww2


That is a lie on as many levels as there are.

There is no Jew genetics (check whoopi goldberg).

There is no Hitler DNA.

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RE: is holacaust denial antisemitic? - 1/31/2013 8:13:39 AM   
Real0ne


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do you do know dna has shown hitler to be jewish, not that we did not know that preww2


That is a lie on as many levels as there are.

There is no Jew genetics (check whoopi goldberg).

There is no Hitler DNA.


oh begeeezus did I miss a typo?

Well excuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuse me.

semitic blood, hope that helps.

That means hitler has semetic blood.

so are you another antisemite?





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RE: is holacaust denial antisemitic? - 1/31/2013 8:30:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		Alot of people have semitic blood, and it has nothing to do with religion.  North africans, middle easterns are all semitic people see the word semi in there means what it means, mixed with greek, romans..........all sorts of invaders in that area come around to fucking and sucking with the locals. 

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