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But the literalist young Earth timescale of around 6000 years rules out this possibility. Thus the scale of the mythological flood should be considered given the current land mass of the Earth. This has some interesting implications if we assume that it really did happen. Assuming that there was no magical transformation of the landscape between the time of the flood and now - something reasonable considering the time frame - the floodwaters would have to raise the sea level to height of Mount Everest, at least, in line with the Biblical description stating that the waters came up higher than the highest mountains. This is around 8.84 km above current sea level. Since the volume of land is small compared to the total volume of water that would be required for such a flood (oceans cover 71% of the Earth's surface and the average height of land is only about 800 metres), an easy calculation shows the amount of water needed to achieve this would be at least 4.5 billion cubic kilometres. The current volume of the Earth's oceans combined is estimated at only 1.3 billion cubic kilometres. This raises the question of where did that much water come from, and more importantly, where did it all go?
Global flood

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Some estimate that more than 90% of all species have gone extinct. If that is god's way of protecting against the hazards of life he is sorry-ass inept at his job.

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But the literalist young Earth timescale of around 6000 years rules out this possibility. Thus the scale of the mythological flood should be considered given the current land mass of the Earth. This has some interesting implications if we assume that it really did happen. Assuming that there was no magical transformation of the landscape between the time of the flood and now - something reasonable considering the time frame - the floodwaters would have to raise the sea level to height of Mount Everest, at least, in line with the Biblical description stating that the waters came up higher than the highest mountains. This is around 8.84 km above current sea level. Since the volume of land is small compared to the total volume of water that would be required for such a flood (oceans cover 71% of the Earth's surface and the average height of land is only about 800 metres), an easy calculation shows the amount of water needed to achieve this would be at least 4.5 billion cubic kilometres. The current volume of the Earth's oceans combined is estimated at only 1.3 billion cubic kilometres. This raises the question of where did that much water come from, and more importantly, where did it all go?
Global flood

Now my question, IF there was a global flood, taking into account the volume of water needed to accomplish that, where the fuck did all the water go? Did god just pump it off to Europa or what?

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Regarding the flood myth.

Prior to about 5600 BC, the Bosporus Strait was above sea level and most of the entire area of the present day Black Sea was land with a large fershwater lake. Sea level rose enough until the Mediterranean breached the Bosporus and as a result, about 60,000 Square miles of land was flooded up to a depth of several hundred feet over the next year or so. Due to the location and climate, it would be foolish to think that there wasn't a significant human agrarian population in the area.
Tens of thousands of people living in an area of 60K square miles get flooded out, there are survivors who tell their kids about the great flood (embellishing of course, think 'back when I was your age we walked to school.......') and voila. A "Flood Myth" that has basis in fact.

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But the literalist young Earth timescale of around 6000 years rules out this possibility. Thus the scale of the mythological flood should be considered given the current land mass of the Earth. This has some interesting implications if we assume that it really did happen. Assuming that there was no magical transformation of the landscape between the time of the flood and now - something reasonable considering the time frame - the floodwaters would have to raise the sea level to height of Mount Everest, at least, in line with the Biblical description stating that the waters came up higher than the highest mountains. This is around 8.84 km above current sea level. Since the volume of land is small compared to the total volume of water that would be required for such a flood (oceans cover 71% of the Earth's surface and the average height of land is only about 800 metres), an easy calculation shows the amount of water needed to achieve this would be at least 4.5 billion cubic kilometres. The current volume of the Earth's oceans combined is estimated at only 1.3 billion cubic kilometres. This raises the question of where did that much water come from, and more importantly, where did it all go?
Global flood

Now my question, IF there was a global flood, taking into account the volume of water needed to accomplish that, where the fuck did all the water go? Did god just pump it off to Europa or what?

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But the literalist young Earth timescale of around 6000 years rules out this possibility. Thus the scale of the mythological flood should be considered given the current land mass of the Earth. This has some interesting implications if we assume that it really did happen. Assuming that there was no magical transformation of the landscape between the time of the flood and now - something reasonable considering the time frame - the floodwaters would have to raise the sea level to height of Mount Everest, at least, in line with the Biblical description stating that the waters came up higher than the highest mountains. This is around 8.84 km above current sea level. Since the volume of land is small compared to the total volume of water that would be required for such a flood (oceans cover 71% of the Earth's surface and the average height of land is only about 800 metres), an easy calculation shows the amount of water needed to achieve this would be at least 4.5 billion cubic kilometres. The current volume of the Earth's oceans combined is estimated at only 1.3 billion cubic kilometres. This raises the question of where did that much water come from, and more importantly, where did it all go?
Global flood

Now my question, IF there was a global flood, taking into account the volume of water needed to accomplish that, where the fuck did all the water go? Did god just pump it off to Europa or what?

Well the tallest mountains on the planet are under water and the average depth of the ocean is over 3,700 meters. So the oceans contain approx. 343 quintillion gallons (a billion trillions) which may or may not...answer your question.

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Some estimate that more than 90% of all species have gone extinct. If that is god's way of protecting against the hazards of life he is sorry-ass inept at his job.

yer argument doesnt add up. bein wit in a species category is nut da sum total of a life.

no life is infinite so neither would species X be. da world is very old, unless ya happen ta be a young earther so species die out when they cant be sustained.

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Some estimate that more than 90% of all species have gone extinct. If that is god's way of protecting against the hazards of life he is sorry-ass inept at his job.

yer argument doesnt add up. bein wit in a species category is nut da sum total of a life.

no life is infinite so neither would species X be. da world is very old, unless ya happen ta be a young earther so species die out when they cant be sustained.

I honestly don't know what the fuck you are trying to say. There is evidence of at least five mass extinctions back 434 million years. Google it.

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Some estimate that more than 90% of all species have gone extinct. If that is god's way of protecting against the hazards of life he is sorry-ass inept at his job.

yer argument doesnt add up. bein wit in a species category is nut da sum total of a life.

no life is infinite so neither would species X be. da world is very old, unless ya happen ta be a young earther so species die out when they cant be sustained.

I honestly don't know what the fuck you are trying to say. There is evidence of at least five mass extinctions back 434 million years. Google it.

hey temper temper now. yer tryin ta argue dat da scale of species extinctions refutes da argument bout God dat daddysatre made. da point is dat he waz talkin bout individual lives nut species an' all lives are finite so everything dies no matter.

next will ya be sayin God doesnt care coz we're nut all immortal? does i have ta explain ta ya some more?

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Daddy S used the word "creatures" . . . not individuals. The distinction is your interpretation v mine. When discussing Evolution we are not discussing individuals. You should know better.

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Mammals appeared during the age of the dinosaurs, but were very small and nocturnal.

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The lunatic pseudohistorian in question was famous for psedoscientific bullshit about the great flood that was mentioned in the Bible/drowned Atlantis/drowned Lemuria/other being caused by a cosmic catastrophe so risible that they couldn't have got it onto an episode of the X Files.

Maybe you could try googling Worlds In Collision rather than snarking.

Velikovsky argued "that Earth has suffered catastrophic close-contacts with other planets (principally Venus and Mars) in ancient times." Simply wondering whether the presence of flood myths among cultures spanning the globe might have come down to us from a distant time when peoples around the world experienced catastrophic inundations is, by any measure, a long way from arguing it as a fact and proposing collisions with other fucking planets.

K.

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The lunatic pseudohistorian in question was famous for psedoscientific bullshit about the great flood that was mentioned in the Bible/drowned Atlantis/drowned Lemuria/other being caused by a cosmic catastrophe so risible that they couldn't have got it onto an episode of the X Files.

Maybe you could try googling Worlds In Collision rather than snarking.

Velikovsky argued "that Earth has suffered catastrophic close-contacts with other planets (principally Venus and Mars) in ancient times." Simply wondering whether the presence of flood myths among cultures spanning the globe might have come down to us from a distant time when peoples around the world experienced catastrophic inundations is, by any measure, a long way from arguing it as a fact and proposing collisions with other fucking planets.

K.

Okay, the Earth collided with a large planet that consisted of a small core and a huge amount of water?

The simple fact that the Earth has never had enough water to flood the entire planet enough to cover Mt Everest. If it did, and all that water evaporated, then we would not be here because we would drown just by breathing. Not to mention the atmospheric pressure would be very high.

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The lunatic pseudohistorian in question was famous for psedoscientific bullshit about the great flood that was mentioned in the Bible/drowned Atlantis/drowned Lemuria/other being caused by a cosmic catastrophe so risible that they couldn't have got it onto an episode of the X Files.

Maybe you could try googling Worlds In Collision rather than snarking.

Velikovsky argued "that Earth has suffered catastrophic close-contacts with other planets (principally Venus and Mars) in ancient times." Simply wondering whether the presence of flood myths among cultures spanning the globe might have come down to us from a distant time when peoples around the world experienced catastrophic inundations is, by any measure, a long way from arguing it as a fact and proposing collisions with other fucking planets.

K.

Okay, the Earth collided with a large planet that consisted of a small core and a huge amount of water?

The simple fact that the Earth has never had enough water to flood the entire planet enough to cover Mt Everest. If it did, and all that water evaporated, then we would not be here because we would drown just by breathing. Not to mention the atmospheric pressure would be very high.

It appears that the crackpot Velikovsky knows nothing about orbital mechanics.

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It appears that the crackpot Velikovsky knows nothing about orbital mechanics.