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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

there is far more evidence and proof of evolution than otherwise.
One example, is whales having vestigal hindlimbs

This is true, but the proof of evolution does not necessarily negate the existence of God.

I believe that God created the Universe by initiating the big bang, then let everything proceed by the physical and natural laws of that creation.

The main problem with creationism as I see it, is that creationists deny the geologic age of the planet, the fossil record tracing the accent of man, and then trying to explain the fossils of dinosaurs being no older than their stated age of the planet.

Form my point of view, God allowing the universe to develop at its own pace and in its own order, just makes sense.

Besides, no one has proven any of the theories of what triggered the big bang in the first place. So who is to say there was no external intelligent force acting to start the process.

Of course, as one scientist said, "The whole of creation could just be an elaborate computer program being run in the future to chart the progress of a theory as to what started the Universe in the first place."

In which case God is a computer programer with a warped sense of humor.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

Believe anything you want just don't tell others to believe it (which you did above).

I notice you have no problem with athiests telling others what they shouldn't believe in. How is that any different?

I'll be happy to discuss this with you once you respond to my earlier response to you in this thread.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

and eaven bettur if you speeled it 'creatiOnists'.

I thought he was spelling cretins, the plural noun meaning someone who believes in creationism.

And people wonder why some athiests are painted as close minded bigots [8D]

You're calling me a bigot for saying people who deny all of modern science are cretins? Your trolling is normally pathetic and pointless but if you're now going to start attacking me for pointing out that people who reject the entire modern world are really very very stupid then I think it is time you defend your claim.

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi
So sorry I missed this one.

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

and eaven bettur if you speeled it 'creatiOnists'.

I thought he was spelling cretins, the plural noun meaning someone who believes in creationism.

And people wonder why some athiests are painted as close minded bigots [8D]

You're calling me a bigot for saying people who deny all of modern science are cretins? Your trolling is normally pathetic and pointless but if you're now going to start attacking me for pointing out that people who reject the entire modern world are really very very stupid then I think it is time you defend your claim.

Actually you said that "I thought he was spelling cretins, the plural noun meaning someone who believes in creationism." and I can't find anything that says they deny all of modern sciences. Now I am sure you can find other definitions that expand on that, such as the one that GotSteel quoted. but it has been pointed out that there are many different denominations of christians and they do not all believe the same exact things.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/creationism

Definition of CREATIONISM : a doctrine or theory holding that matter, the various forms of life, and the world were created by God out of nothing and usually in the way described in Genesis — compare evolution 4b  based on your posting history, it is easy to conclude that when you say creationist, you mean anyone who believes a god had a hand in creating the world. Since christians do in fact believe that he did, it's not a stretch to conclude you include christians in that statement.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

Believe anything you want just don't tell others to believe it (which you did above).

I notice you have no problem with athiests telling others what they shouldn't believe in. How is that any different?

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

Believe anything you want just don't tell others to believe it (which you did above).

I notice you have no problem with athiests telling others what they shouldn't believe in. How is that any different?

Since I do not tell others what to believe you are simply trolling.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

Believe anything you want just don't tell others to believe it (which you did above).

I notice you have no problem with athiests telling others what they shouldn't believe in. How is that any different?

Since I do not tell others what to believe you are simply trolling.

No, you tell them what not to believe and say if they do believe a certain way they are cretins. Then when you are called on your bs, you scream troll. Personally, I'm through here. Have a great day.

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi
Definition of CREATIONISM : a doctrine or theory holding that matter, the various forms of life, and the world were created by God out of nothing and usually in the way described in Genesis . . . [My italics.]

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Uh, did not the Catholic church say that the existence of aliens does not in any way affect the core belief system of Christianity.

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi
Definition of CREATIONISM : a doctrine or theory holding that matter, the various forms of life, and the world were created by God out of nothing and usually in the way described in Genesis . . . [My italics.]

It's a shame that the italicised words now have to be appended to the foregoing in that definition. Before 'creationism', IIRC, there was just the idea that 'God created the universe' and whatever the laws of physics were deemed to be, God was behind them. That wasn't too troublesome to many agnostics, myself included.

But the 'retailers of beliefs' always have to step in. 'Don't make your own beliefs from raw materials - your local Christian church, that great factory and warehouse of religious beliefs, has its own ready-made creed-kit for you!'

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Uh, did not the Catholic church say that the existence of aliens does not in any way affect the core belief system of Christianity.

@Jlf

I don't recall saying that the existence of aliens detracted from the position of the CC. Have no clue to what you are referring.

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Writing in the Vatican newspaper, the astronomer, Father Gabriel Funes, said intelligent beings created by God could exist in outer space.

Father Funes, director of the Vatican Observatory near Rome, is a respected scientist who collaborates with universities around the world.
Vatican says aliens could exist

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Before 'creationism', IIRC, there was just the idea that 'God created the universe' and whatever the laws of physics were deemed to be, God was behind them. That wasn't too troublesome to many agnostics, myself included.

The position stated in your first sentence is still the position. To my knowledge, there is no reputable theologian anywhere who subscribes to a literal reading of Genesis. Even Augustine would think a modern Fundamentalist a fool.

K.

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ORIGINAL: Master2811
Google on carbon 14 equilibrium for example. C14 means the death of evolution. C14 has not reached an equilibrium in the atmosphere so the Earth must be younger than 30,000 years. For further information go to:

http://www.godandscience.org/

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da posit of God existing is nut in da same league as stories bout unicorns. da existence of a type o God has foundations in ancient philosophy, an' da belief in sorts of divinity is universal ta human society.

da assumption dick dawks makes dat we would expect there ta be evidence is wrong unless we take da ole testament as da only religious position. he's also wrong ta say "absolute disproof" is only da preserve of maths an' logic.

@Wantsoftheflesh

Disbelief is also universal and stems from ancient times but has been consistently persecuted because religion has always been used as a tool of power and control.

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The assumption that there is evidence is advanced by Believers. And not only in the Old Testament. Have a look at the four gospels and Paul's Letters. Also currently, Christians believe in a personal god who will intercede to protect them and forgive them and heal them if they beseech him with prayer. Believers witness to the efficacy of prayer and to near death encounters with divine persons. People testify they have the Spirit within them. And then there are claims of the appearance of Mother Mary at Fatima or of Jesus likeness on a burnt pancake. So, clearly it is Believers who claim to have evidence. The issue goes to the validity of that evidence, which is not much better than evidence for intergalactic alien kidnappers, loch ness monsters, BigFoot sightings, and crop circles made by extra terrestrials. Credible evidence is lacking. But the recurring claims of evidence demonstrates the weakness of Faith.

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ORIGINAL: Master2811
Google on carbon 14 equilibrium for example. C14 means the death of evolution. C14 has not reached an equilibrium in the atmosphere so the Earth must be younger than 30,000 years. For further information go to:

http://www.godandscience.org/

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

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ORIGINAL: Master2811
Google on carbon 14 equilibrium for example. C14 means the death of evolution. C14 has not reached an equilibrium in the atmosphere so the Earth must be younger than 30,000 years. For further information go to:

http://www.godandscience.org/

You are joking with this nonsense, right? I mean come on, you have to be joking.

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ORIGINAL: xssve
I've gotten good results with creatine.

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It has but nut always. not tryin' ta defend the practices of some societies.

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yup fair point. there is silly stuff an' da fantastical claims get a lot of publicity but for most people their faith is nut something they expect ta be verified by any evidence, visions pancakes an' whatnot. this is understood by da notion of a leap of faith - da step inta belief wit out proof an' wit out benefit. dat is compatible wit da belief in a personal God cuze no calling card is expected ta be left on da counter. dat is why i say dawkins made an assumption based wat some claim ta see, nut da understandin' of da many.