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Switcheroo1983 -> Kidnapped boy rescued! (2/4/2013 5:28:47 PM)

http://news.yahoo.com/authorities-storm-alabama-bunker-rescue-young-boy-002908181.html

Just heard the news on Anderson Cooper. Great news for a change.




EsotericLady -> RE: Kidnapped boy rescued! (2/4/2013 8:29:22 PM)

I agree! Wonderful news!

Too bad the guy can't pay for what he did...

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ORIGINAL: Switcheroo1983

http://news.yahoo.com/authorities-storm-alabama-bunker-rescue-young-boy-002908181.html

Just heard the news on Anderson Cooper. Great news for a change.





Switcheroo1983 -> RE: Kidnapped boy rescued! (2/4/2013 8:32:25 PM)


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ORIGINAL: EsotericLady

I agree! Wonderful news!

Too bad the guy can't pay for what he did...



Completely agree. Unless the boy is able to say what he might know the man was doing, a motive may have also been taken to the grave. I pray the boy is able to get the care he needs, can return to his schedule (very important for Autism/Aspergers), and live a normal life. I also pray for the family of the bus driver. He died defending those children. And, yes, I pray for the family of the kidnapper. They too suffer, and will face a hard road.




Lynnxz -> RE: Kidnapped boy rescued! (2/4/2013 8:37:26 PM)


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ORIGINAL: EsotericLady

I agree! Wonderful news!

Too bad the guy can't pay for what he did...

quote:

ORIGINAL: Switcheroo1983

http://news.yahoo.com/authorities-storm-alabama-bunker-rescue-young-boy-002908181.html

Just heard the news on Anderson Cooper. Great news for a change.




He was known to patrol his property with a weapon out, ready to shoot 'trespassers', beat a dog to death with a pipe, wrote frequent letters to both the president, and unnamed mafia leaders, AND was so intensely paranoid that he believed that the government controlled a dog track.

Yeah, he didn't get what he deserved.

Access to decent mental health services.




Switcheroo1983 -> RE: Kidnapped boy rescued! (2/4/2013 8:43:34 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Lynnxz



He was known to patrol his property with a weapon out, ready to shoot 'trespassers', beat a dog to death with a pipe, wrote frequent letters to both the president, and unnamed mafia leaders, AND was so intensely paranoid that he believed that the government controlled a dog track.

Yeah, he didn't get what he deserved.

Access to decent mental health services.

He very much suffered, mentally, and it is a shame. I just wish we could know "why" he took the boy. What was going through his tortured mind? Had the man had quality mental health care, this likely would have been avoided. It is a sad story all around, but as sad as the man's story is, the bus driver's is sadder, and the boy's is saddest.




VideoAdminAlpha -> RE: Kidnapped boy rescued! (2/4/2013 8:59:36 PM)

This happened basically in my town. (Midland City limits shares my city's boundaries). NOTHING like this has ever happened here or even thought of. I cannot believe that neighbors didn't report him before he shot at the neighbors (this was why he had a court date scheduled). This area, although it has "modern conveniences" still has numerous pockets of folks "that mind their own bidness," and wouldn't call the authorities if their lives depended on it.

I'm not taking any sides at all on these boards, (which is hard because I DEFINITELY have opinions concerning something that ended today less than 5 miles of the retail store I was finishing a project in) but want to point out this man was a veteran. There is a VA medical services facility locally. I do not profess to know the state of health care for veterans, but health care was available AND easily accessible to this individual, unlike many in this area with no insurance(myself being one of those).

ETA: I did not post this to get involved in the discussion, nor to direct the train of conversation. I will not be posting to the thread again. I just felt the need to clarify the availability of care.




Lynnxz -> RE: Kidnapped boy rescued! (2/4/2013 9:11:40 PM)

VA mental health services are overtaxed with massive delays in care provided, with little to no follow up care provided. This is a direct observation of dealing with patients who must receive their care though the VA.




LizDeluxe -> RE: Kidnapped boy rescued! (2/5/2013 7:57:16 AM)

A guy I work with is a reservist who has done tours in Iraq and Afghanistan and has dealt with some PTSD issues. The waiting list to get help from the VA was so long he found his own doctor. Technically the care exists but it is in woefully short supply.




Nosathro -> RE: Kidnapped boy rescued! (2/5/2013 5:30:53 PM)

There is no evidence of mental illness on Jimmy Dykes at least as far as a diagnosis by a medical doctor. Yes his behavior was bazar, he was a loner and survivalist, it is still not know what his motives were some believe it was more political.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2013/0202/Alabama-bunker-standoff-Did-politics-set-Jimmy-Dykes-off




Lynnxz -> RE: Kidnapped boy rescued! (2/5/2013 5:57:56 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Nosathro

There is no evidence of mental illness on Jimmy Dykes at least as far as a diagnosis by a medical doctor. Yes his behavior was bazar, he was a loner and survivalist, it is still not know what his motives were some believe it was more political.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2013/0202/Alabama-bunker-standoff-Did-politics-set-Jimmy-Dykes-off


Really? He just seems like a well adjusted citizen type then?




kalikshama -> RE: Kidnapped boy rescued! (2/5/2013 6:13:25 PM)

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want to point out this man was a veteran. There is a VA medical services facility locally. I do not profess to know the state of health care for veterans, but health care was available AND easily accessible to this individual, unlike many in this area with no insurance(myself being one of those).


My brother is mentally ill and at times my mother has spent 20 hours a week case managing for him. She has a Master's in Social Work. She knew his medication level was off and asked his therapist to send him to the hospital to get a blood level. (She has permission to discuss my brother.) Instead, the therapist sent my brother a letter asking him to call his old psychiatrist and have them fax an order to the hospital. My brother called...the fax number, didn't get through (of course) and gave up. The therapist did not follow up with my mother.

Last week, the police found my brother "patrolling" in the cemetery with a baseball bat. They took him to the hospital, where he finally got his blood level tested. He was also involuntarily committed to another hospital. My mother requested that she be there at the discharge meeting and asked the psychiatrist what my brother's level was. He didn't know - he hadn't looked at the test results. If my mother hadn't been there my brother would have been released without getting his medication increased to the proper level.

His previous psychiatrist also dropped the ball last fall, but this is getting long so I won't get into that.

Anyway, I'm a veteran, and there's even more red tape involved in getting care from the VA. Once I had to follow up every few weeks for MONTHS to get a test. Sometimes I haven't been able to get through on the phone and have dropped by the office or faxed messages. At one office, none of the messages I left over a two year period were ever returned. People with some sorts of mental illnesses or disabilities just can't navigate the system on their own.




kalikshama -> RE: Kidnapped boy rescued! (2/5/2013 6:20:38 PM)

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Technically the care exists but it is in woefully short supply.


I call this "Everything is free; nothing is available."




Owner59 -> RE: Kidnapped boy rescued! (2/5/2013 6:41:11 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: LizDeluxe

A guy I work with is a reservist who has done tours in Iraq and Afghanistan and has dealt with some PTSD issues. The waiting list to get help from the VA was so long he found his own doctor. Technically the care exists but it is in woefully short supply.




There are reports that he blared rightwing anti- government talk radio all day, so loud,that his neighbors could hear it.....






AthenaSurrenders -> RE: Kidnapped boy rescued! (2/5/2013 11:20:25 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Nosathro

There is no evidence of mental illness on Jimmy Dykes at least as far as a diagnosis by a medical doctor. Yes his behavior was bazar, he was a loner and survivalist, it is still not know what his motives were some believe it was more political.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2013/0202/Alabama-bunker-standoff-Did-politics-set-Jimmy-Dykes-off


Politics and mental illness are not mutually exclusive. It's entirely possible that he was acting on his political beliefs, but that his actions were so bizarre because of his mental illness.




AthenaSurrenders -> RE: Kidnapped boy rescued! (2/5/2013 11:23:27 PM)


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ORIGINAL: kalikshama

quote:

want to point out this man was a veteran. There is a VA medical services facility locally. I do not profess to know the state of health care for veterans, but health care was available AND easily accessible to this individual, unlike many in this area with no insurance(myself being one of those).


My brother is mentally ill and at times my mother has spent 20 hours a week case managing for him. She has a Master's in Social Work. She knew his medication level was off and asked his therapist to send him to the hospital to get a blood level. (She has permission to discuss my brother.) Instead, the therapist sent my brother a letter asking him to call his old psychiatrist and have them fax an order to the hospital. My brother called...the fax number, didn't get through (of course) and gave up. The therapist did not follow up with my mother.

Last week, the police found my brother "patrolling" in the cemetery with a baseball bat. They took him to the hospital, where he finally got his blood level tested. He was also involuntarily committed to another hospital. My mother requested that she be there at the discharge meeting and asked the psychiatrist what my brother's level was. He didn't know - he hadn't looked at the test results. If my mother hadn't been there my brother would have been released without getting his medication increased to the proper level.

His previous psychiatrist also dropped the ball last fall, but this is getting long so I won't get into that.

Anyway, I'm a veteran, and there's even more red tape involved in getting care from the VA. Once I had to follow up every few weeks for MONTHS to get a test. Sometimes I haven't been able to get through on the phone and have dropped by the office or faxed messages. At one office, none of the messages I left over a two year period were ever returned. People with some sorts of mental illnesses or disabilities just can't navigate the system on their own.


Thank goodness for your mother.

I've only had limited exposure to the mental health systems here, but I have to admit many of our systems fall prey to a similar problem - the people who need to access them are not capable of fighting their way through the complicated bureaucracy to get there, so unless they have someone sticking up for them, vulnerable people often miss out on what they need. Even more frustrating, these people are sometimes dismissed as not being cooperative or compliant, making it doubly hard for them to get help in the future.




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