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Politesub53 -> RE: Obama Admin Gets OK to Use Drones On Americans (2/6/2013 2:53:53 AM)


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ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy

Until it happens, the future is all about what ifs and hypotheticals.

Are you really telling me the precedents the President is setting don't bother you?




Nice to see you have skipped my point about the difficulty of actually arresting terrorists based in hostile lands.

How would you sort that out......send them an email asking them to come back Stateside ?




imdoingitagain -> RE: Obama Admin Gets OK to Use Drones On Americans (2/6/2013 3:00:27 AM)


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

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ORIGINAL: RacerJim


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ORIGINAL: Nosathro


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

I think it is in line with the wishes of the congress as expressed in the authorization to invade iraq resolution.  War on terror.



By Law, which a lot of people are forgetting, must be declared.

And when, which a lot of people are forgetting, has Obama, aka Soetoro, aka Soebarkah cared about the Law?


He has acted in a lawful and constitutional manner since he has taken office, without exception.

Damn you! Now, I have to clean off my monitor!
Oh, you weren't joking? My bad.




Moonhead -> RE: Obama Admin Gets OK to Use Drones On Americans (2/6/2013 4:48:03 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

Indeed Peon, Richard III made several advances in help for the poor, both legally and fiscally. Especially for Northern England where they struggled with the fact London was the centre of trade (Due to the docks)

And (unlike Henry Tudor) he wasn't Welsh...




FatDomDaddy -> RE: Obama Admin Gets OK to Use Drones On Americans (2/6/2013 10:15:41 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53


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ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy

Until it happens, the future is all about what ifs and hypotheticals.

Are you really telling me the precedents the President is setting don't bother you?




Nice to see you have skipped my point about the difficulty of actually arresting terrorists based in hostile lands.

How would you sort that out......send them an email asking them to come back Stateside ?




No I didn't... I even said I am fine with using drones to blow up the HQ bunker in East Pigfuckastan. What I am extremely concerned about is the precedent that sets the stage for a "future" drone used to take out a cell of "suspected" terrorists in Eugene, Oregon.




mnottertail -> RE: Obama Admin Gets OK to Use Drones On Americans (2/6/2013 10:25:03 AM)

I am not sure of the precedent, unless you are talking old Ibrahim Lincoln here.




Notsweet -> RE: Obama Admin Gets OK to Use Drones On Americans (2/6/2013 11:18:32 AM)

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Public Laws 107-40 and 107-243 were bestowed upon us by the teabagger congress, but now they are against it after they were for it.

Seems to me that it is the ineptitude of congress should be at issue here.

Cuz them teabaggers are fuckin USELESS and INEPT.

Them imbecilic teabaggers and their unintended consequences, hah?


I wish we could stop name-calling and actually focus on the things that should scare all of us equally.

No one's particular party is going to be in Administration forever, which is why THIS TeaParty member was not in favor of the Patriot Act, as it stood. My claim then, "You seem to think this is fine as long as our side is in control, but what about when we aren't?"

This is the reason that when the government tries to take on privileges NOT bestowed on it by the Bill of Rights or the Constitution, we should all be alarmed.

Edited because I can't type.

h/t to mnottertail.




mnottertail -> RE: Obama Admin Gets OK to Use Drones On Americans (2/6/2013 11:26:22 AM)

This is the reason that when the government tries to take on privileges NOT bestowed on it by the Bill of Rights or the Constitution.

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I am not sure this makes sense, but if I twist it till it does, I am sure that it is also incorrect.
 
 
And the patriot act is one of many absolute disasters that have happened in these recent years.  




Notsweet -> RE: Obama Admin Gets OK to Use Drones On Americans (2/6/2013 11:33:58 AM)

Agreed, re the Patriot Act.

Thanks for the heads up--the thumb is worn out and sometimes edits away the last thing i typed just before I hit sen---




WantsOfTheFlesh -> RE: Obama Admin Gets OK to Use Drones On Americans (2/6/2013 11:36:29 AM)

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“The condition that an operational leader present an ‘imminent’ threat of violent attack against the United States does not require the United States to have clear evidence that a specific attack on U.S. persons and interests will take place in the immediate future,” the memo states.

Instead, it says, an “informed, high-level” official of the U.S. government may determine that the targeted American has been “recently” involved in “activities” posing a threat of a violent attack and “there is no evidence suggesting that he has renounced or abandoned such activities.” The memo does not define “recently” or “activities.”

have no problem wit da act in principle but da looseness of da language for a serious act is worrying.




Notsweet -> RE: Obama Admin Gets OK to Use Drones On Americans (2/6/2013 11:45:51 AM)

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ORIGINAL: WantsOfTheFlesh

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“The condition that an operational leader present an ‘imminent’ threat of violent attack against the United States does not require the United States to have clear evidence that a specific attack on U.S. persons and interests will take place in the immediate future,” the memo states.

Instead, it says, an “informed, high-level” official of the U.S. government may determine that the targeted American has been “recently” involved in “activities” posing a threat of a violent attack and “there is no evidence suggesting that he has renounced or abandoned such activities.” The memo does not define “recently” or “activities.”

have no problem wit da act in principle but da looseness of da language for a serious act is worrying.


There's no due process, which you're entitled to, as a citizen, and the "loose language" is an absolute nightmare. I think we're going to see this in the Supreme court pretty fast. I hope it's (in front of the Supreme Court) before it gets used (in the US).




mnottertail -> RE: Obama Admin Gets OK to Use Drones On Americans (2/6/2013 11:47:29 AM)

The which get used? It has some time ago been used.




papassion -> RE: Obama Admin Gets OK to Use Drones On Americans (2/6/2013 12:10:07 PM)


Obama: Torture is not accepable in the Obama administration! My drones kill fast with NO pain!




mnottertail -> RE: Obama Admin Gets OK to Use Drones On Americans (2/6/2013 12:13:17 PM)

Thats catchy.  I think he should use it.




Notsweet -> RE: Obama Admin Gets OK to Use Drones On Americans (2/6/2013 12:20:48 PM)

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

The which get used? It has some time ago been used.


You know, you're getting me all hot and bothered, and now I really can't type. Shame on you.



grrrrrrrr




jlf1961 -> RE: Obama Admin Gets OK to Use Drones On Americans (2/6/2013 12:28:58 PM)

Okay, this worries me due to the pesky due process thing that LEOs and the Justice Department have to follow, thank god.

I mean even traitors should have the right to a fair trial.

The next thing you know, some president will get the okay to use the drones on Americans inside the borders of the United States.

And people wonder why I want a fully operational anti aircraft tank. It dont matter which party is in power the government is out to get us.




mnottertail -> RE: Obama Admin Gets OK to Use Drones On Americans (2/6/2013 12:29:58 PM)

Well the title of this thread is misleading, the DOJ didn't ok shit.  

He has whacked a couple american enemy combatants some years ago.  I don't know why it would go SCOTUS pretty fast, I don't see anybody crawling out of the woodwork to get a case done.   




Notsweet -> RE: Obama Admin Gets OK to Use Drones On Americans (2/6/2013 12:33:29 PM)


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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Okay, this worries me due to the pesky due process thing that LEOs and the Justice Department have to follow, thank god.

I mean even traitors should have the right to a fair trial.

The next thing you know, some president will get the okay to use the drones on Americans inside the borders of the United States.

And people wonder why I want a fully operational anti aircraft tank. It dont matter which party is in power the government is out to get us.


Agreed. I don't think either side gives a fuck about us, other than to keep us working for them.

Case in point, you don't see any of these elected officials sequestering their own office budgets, pay, pensions or benefits, do you? Not on either side.




Notsweet -> RE: Obama Admin Gets OK to Use Drones On Americans (2/6/2013 12:37:10 PM)


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Well the title of this thread is misleading, the DOJ didn't ok shit.  

He has whacked a couple american enemy combatants some years ago.  I don't know why it would go SCOTUS pretty fast, I don't see anybody crawling out of the woodwork to get a case done.   


What was Holder saying then? I thought that was the point he was making yesterday.
ACLU started pulling stuff together yesterday, they're pretty pissed about it.
As to the American enemy combatants previously, maybe it's the drone thing that's got panties wadding, but I don't think too many people paid attention before drones were mentioned. I know what youre talking about though, and I know that in libertarian circles, people were pretty unhappy.




mnottertail -> RE: Obama Admin Gets OK to Use Drones On Americans (2/6/2013 12:39:16 PM)

the Hamdi case and 107-40 says let er rip.   18.115 will not allow these actions in the US jurisdiction.




Notsweet -> RE: Obama Admin Gets OK to Use Drones On Americans (2/6/2013 12:43:49 PM)

Posse commitatus, correct?




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