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RE: Age(Hillary) or weight (Christy).... - 2/6/2013 9:00:46 AM   
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I think that if we get a Clinton vs Christy election, it will be the first time in 20 years we've had TWO good, well qualified candidates.

I also feel that the powers that be in the GOP will do everything they can to hurt Christy. Hell, they'll probably fight against him more than against Hillary.

To me that is the interesting point,can Christy get through the Republican nomination process ......one that seems designed to produce the most extreme candidate possible.

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RE: Age(Hillary) or weight (Christy).... - 2/6/2013 9:00:58 AM   
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Hillary has a new website up,a bare bones site that does nothing to quell the rumors of a 2016 run...Christy makes light(pun intended) of his weight issue on Letterman.

All things being equal (and we know they aren't) which issue carries more ......heft(for lack of a better word....lol) with you where Presidential politics are concerned.

I'm not looking for a partisan argument here,just asking for a discussion ...Hillary will be 69 in 2016,Christy's weight is anyone's guess but is certainly a concern.

Would you,as a voter,be more concerned by advancing age....or expanding waistline ?


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RE: Age(Hillary) or weight (Christy).... - 2/6/2013 9:03:44 AM   
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I honestly don't think this country is ready for a woman President...yet. However, I hope to see that happen in my lifetime.

As for voting against people, Desider? Count me as one of those who stopped voting for the "lesser of two evils," in favor of not voting in the last election...and I was brought up in a strictly patriotic family who believed voting was a privilege! (And I had never NOT voted, before!)

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If Hillary runs, she's damn near a shoe-in simply because she is a woman, and for name recognition. Add into it that she has shloads of experience (regardless of how you rate it), and it will probably be almost impossible for her to not be elected. If she runs, I don't see Christie throwing his hat in the ring for the R's. It would probably be more damaging for his future Presidential prospects than anything. I can see the GOP countering with a female candidate, a "minority" candidate, both, or a ticket pairing as many "Firsts" as possible. And, once again, I'll either hold my nose and vote not Hillary, or choose some other Party Candidate. I take that back. I'll vote for the best candidate, regardless. I'm done voting "against" people. I want to actually vote "for" someone.


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RE: Age(Hillary) or weight (Christy).... - 2/6/2013 9:05:16 AM   
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Why aren't we "ready" for a woman president?

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RE: Age(Hillary) or weight (Christy).... - 2/6/2013 9:09:53 AM   
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As Hill says, we would have two very qualified candidates, and I don't know who I would side with. I'm female and from NJ, lol.


Neither your gender nor where you're from should have anything to do with it. Both would be forms of discrimination, imo. Hillary won't be a good President simply because of her anatomy, and Christie won't be a good President simply because of where he's from. Is Hillary from NY or AR? Does having a penis make one a better President? IMO, none of that matters. Would Shavonda Sumter make a better President than Edna Brown (most likely, and I only know about one of 'em), or Jennifer Carroll? All 3 are black females currently in politics. All 3 are from different areas of the US, and one is GOP while the other two are Democrats.

If you agree with Hillary's policies and political beliefs more than with Christie's, then vote that way. If age is a concern, take the VP into account, too, because he/she will take over in the event that Hillary wouldn't be able to serve her full term.


Please show where anyone indicated they would vote on the basis of gender or origination ?
Were both those factors mentioned....yes they were,but by no stretch of the imagination did any previous poster indicate an intention to choose their eventual favorite by using the measuring sticks you decried.
Seriously DS,there are plenty of arguments to be had around these parts without inventing one.

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RE: Age(Hillary) or weight (Christy).... - 2/6/2013 9:10:08 AM   
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Why aren't we "ready" for a woman president?

Hmmm...two schools of thought on this.

1. We are not ready as there is still sexism (and ageism) in this country, and an "old woman" would be seen as a poor choice (though Grandmothers often know best!). America also has a track record of not voting for/ignoring female presidential candidates and female VP picks.

2. The same could have been said, and was said, years ago about having a Black President. What happened?

It will be very interesting to see what Mrs. Clinton does. The fact that she is female does not make her either a good or bad pick. There are skeletons in her closet that will be dug up, that will hurt her more.

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RE: Age(Hillary) or weight (Christy).... - 2/6/2013 9:12:05 AM   
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Might I suggest an alternative to the two listed?

Holly, of uber klutz fame.

I wasn't putting forth a list of candidates Jlf,I was simply making comment ,and asking others about,two possible issues where two possible candidates are concerned.

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RE: Age(Hillary) or weight (Christy).... - 2/6/2013 9:13:46 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

I think that if we get a Clinton vs Christy election, it will be the first time in 20 years we've had TWO good, well qualified candidates.

I also feel that the powers that be in the GOP will do everything they can to hurt Christy. Hell, they'll probably fight against him more than against Hillary.


Agreed. In an odd turnaround, the Dems are looking like an organized, coherent, united party compared to the GOP. Bush didn't anoint a successor and the GOP has been struggling to find leadership since. Any candidate, Christie or nonChristie, will have to run a nasty gauntlet to get the nom. That said, Christie has more stature than any of the alternatives. If he can just keep his temper.

But I agree that him vs Clinton will be a tough one. It'll be nice to vote for a candidate solely due to his/her merits, secure that if the other one wins, it won;t be that bad.

Agreed......Christy has more stature than the alternatives....more heft too.
lol

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RE: Age(Hillary) or weight (Christy).... - 2/6/2013 9:15:18 AM   
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I can go with the skeleton argument. Have a hard time believing that a Woman couldn't be elected since the majority of the voters are women. But, if she learns the lessons from her last run then she has a real shot as long as her health is really ok from the fall she took.

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RE: Age(Hillary) or weight (Christy).... - 2/6/2013 9:19:32 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: slvemike4u
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
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ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady
As Hill says, we would have two very qualified candidates, and I don't know who I would side with. I'm female and from NJ, lol.

Neither your gender nor where you're from should have anything to do with it. Both would be forms of discrimination, imo. Hillary won't be a good President simply because of her anatomy, and Christie won't be a good President simply because of where he's from. Is Hillary from NY or AR? Does having a penis make one a better President? IMO, none of that matters. Would Shavonda Sumter make a better President than Edna Brown (most likely, and I only know about one of 'em), or Jennifer Carroll? All 3 are black females currently in politics. All 3 are from different areas of the US, and one is GOP while the other two are Democrats.
If you agree with Hillary's policies and political beliefs more than with Christie's, then vote that way. If age is a concern, take the VP into account, too, because he/she will take over in the event that Hillary wouldn't be able to serve her full term.

Please show where anyone indicated they would vote on the basis of gender or origination ?
Were both those factors mentioned....yes they were,but by no stretch of the imagination did any previous poster indicate an intention to choose their eventual favorite by using the measuring sticks you decried.
Seriously DS,there are plenty of arguments to be had around these parts without inventing one.


Do you not read the stuff you quote?!? LaFayetteLady stated that she wouldn't know who she would side with, using her very next statement - which is generally used to explain the previous or following statement - to explain that she is female and from NJ. Apparently, she would use those criteria to help make her choice. If it comes down to two people whose only differences are gender or origination, then I can see them being used, but with the two people mentioned, that certainly isn't the case.

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RE: Age(Hillary) or weight (Christy).... - 2/6/2013 9:23:46 AM   
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Is there anyone who thinks ,health notwithstanding ,that she won't run ?
My own opinion is that ,as long as her health is good,wild horses couldn't keep her from running.
I think the fire still burns within her......and the decision has already been made.

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RE: Age(Hillary) or weight (Christy).... - 2/6/2013 9:24:15 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk
I can go with the skeleton argument. Have a hard time believing that a Woman couldn't be elected since the majority of the voters are women. But, if she learns the lessons from her last run then she has a real shot as long as her health is really ok from the fall she took.


I don't agree with your the argument regarding the majority of voters being women, as I don't see that as making that big of an impact. As long as her health is okay, as you stated, I don't see her being beatable, unless the GOP finds some absolutely incredible candidate (un-Godly long shot for that happening), or her skeletons are so incredible that she is rendered un-electable (which I would have thought those would have come out in 2008).

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RE: Age(Hillary) or weight (Christy).... - 2/6/2013 9:26:10 AM   
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Yeah you are probably right but a lot can happen in 2 1/2 , 3 years....I don't think she would get a challenge unless Biden wants to try it. Though, who knows. If you read "Game Change" have to wonder if any of those minds that were against her in the senate in 2008 have changed their minds.

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RE: Age(Hillary) or weight (Christy).... - 2/6/2013 10:02:41 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Hillary has a new website up,a bare bones site that does nothing to quell the rumors of a 2016 run...Christy makes light(pun intended) of his weight issue on Letterman.

All things being equal (and we know they aren't) which issue carries more ......heft(for lack of a better word....lol) with you where Presidential politics are concerned.

I'm not looking for a partisan argument here,just asking for a discussion ...Hillary will be 69 in 2016,Christy's weight is anyone's guess but is certainly a concern.

Would you,as a voter,be more concerned by advancing age....or expanding waistline ?


Media/TVĀ  we wont elect an overweight person



His apponent pretty much lost the race when he went after Christy`s weight.

Christy handled it well and looked like the mature statesmen and Corzine looks like a turd.

Something should be pointed out regarding Christy`s popularity.

It`s mostly due to his Youtube videos (of edited sound bites)of his skewering the democrats.He talks trash with the best of them and he became so popular that he became the GOP #1 guest speaker/photo prop.

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RE: Age(Hillary) or weight (Christy).... - 2/6/2013 10:05:08 AM   
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Be fair, Corzine had a few more problems than just talking about Christy's weight.

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RE: Age(Hillary) or weight (Christy).... - 2/6/2013 10:28:22 AM   
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Might I suggest an alternative to the two listed?

Holly, of uber klutz fame.

I wasn't putting forth a list of candidates Jlf,I was simply making comment ,and asking others about,two possible issues where two possible candidates are concerned.



I know mike, but given the two choices, I aint sure either would be worth it.

Both have some good qualities, but both have taken extreme views that I dont agree with.

Hilary is getting up there in years, and right now, I think we need young blood in politics.

However, if the democrats keep up with their bullshit, I might end up an independent.

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