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Nosathro -> RE: Survivalist compound idea in Idaho (2/6/2013 10:45:53 AM)
I keep thinking about how people become involved in other groups that ended in disaster......here we go again.

Switcheroo1983 -> RE: Survivalist compound idea in Idaho (2/6/2013 11:09:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Nosathro I keep thinking about how people become involved in other groups that ended in disaster......here we go again. The images that ran through my mind upon reading the story were - 1. Mr. Kerodin is crazy like a fox 2. FBI/ATF having probable cause to execute a search warrant on Mr. Kerodin 3. That is exactly what Mr. Kerodin is banking on. He will have no firearms in the house, will turn around a sue the pants off of the feds, thereby obtaining funds to build this "citadel". Crazier shit has happened.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Survivalist compound idea in Idaho (2/6/2013 12:10:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Switcheroo1983 quote: ORIGINAL: Nosathro I keep thinking about how people become involved in other groups that ended in disaster......here we go again. The images that ran through my mind upon reading the story were - 1. Mr. Kerodin is crazy like a fox 2. FBI/ATF having probable cause to execute a search warrant on Mr. Kerodin 3. That is exactly what Mr. Kerodin is banking on. He will have no firearms in the house, will turn around a sue the pants off of the feds, thereby obtaining funds to build this "citadel". Crazier shit has happened. What would he sue over? His actions and statements give probably cause, thus not abridging his 4th Amendment rights. Unless they tear the shit out of the place, they shouldn't have to fear litigation.

Switcheroo1983 -> RE: Survivalist compound idea in Idaho (2/6/2013 12:14:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri What would he sue over? His actions and statements give probably cause, thus not abridging his 4th Amendment rights. Unless they tear the shit out of the place, they shouldn't have to fear litigation. A good attorney can get him far in such a case, and if the feds raid someone, shit is torn up. Or he is trying to prove a point. Why else would a convicted felon flagrantly taunt the feds with something like this, unless they want federal attention? Money or Martyrdom are my guesses. As to this "citadel", I don't think it will happen.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Survivalist compound idea in Idaho (2/6/2013 12:21:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Switcheroo1983 quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri What would he sue over? His actions and statements give probably cause, thus not abridging his 4th Amendment rights. Unless they tear the shit out of the place, they shouldn't have to fear litigation. A good attorney can get him far in such a case, and if the feds raid someone, shit is torn up. Or he is trying to prove a point. Why else would a convicted felon flagrantly taunt the feds with something like this, unless they want federal attention? Money or Martyrdom are my guesses. As to this "citadel", I don't think it will happen. Why would they need a "raid," necessarily? Execute a search warrant. No great force necessary, unless he resists, for which he'd be breaking the law, anyway. I'm leaning towards martyrdom, but could be simple stupidity.

epiphiny43 -> RE: Survivalist compound idea in Idaho (2/6/2013 2:05:17 PM)
Government is like work. It's the worst thing in the world, except for No government?

jlf1961 -> RE: Survivalist compound idea in Idaho (2/6/2013 3:01:52 PM)
The real problem with this set up is rather obvious. A doomsday or survivalist compound is not for permanent habitation prior to the actual disaster that makes it necessary to move there. Creature comfort is lacking, as well as basic facilities while the compound is under construction. Survivalist or preppers, as a general rule, do not abandon civilization prior to the catastrophe that makes it necessary to l;eave the urban or suburban environment. The primary reason for leaving is the lack of services such as water and power. Initial supplies are kept in the home, but those are just to get by until the move to the desired location to last out the long haul. This sounds more like a group of extremists and it may end up in a stand off with authorities.

Nosathro -> RE: Survivalist compound idea in Idaho (2/6/2013 3:21:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 The real problem with this set up is rather obvious. A doomsday or survivalist compound is not for permanent habitation prior to the actual disaster that makes it necessary to move there. Creature comfort is lacking, as well as basic facilities while the compound is under construction. Survivalist or preppers, as a general rule, do not abandon civilization prior to the catastrophe that makes it necessary to l;eave the urban or suburban environment. The primary reason for leaving is the lack of services such as water and power. Initial supplies are kept in the home, but those are just to get by until the move to the desired location to last out the long haul. This sounds more like a group of extremists and it may end up in a stand off with authorities. I am getting a vision of Wacko II

Fightdirecto -> RE: Survivalist compound idea in Idaho (2/6/2013 3:59:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 The common denominators seems to be fear...that government is a mortal enemy. [image]local://upfiles/42188/508E668C067E45C2AF1DB4A7EF5F34A2.jpg[/image]

Nosathro -> RE: Survivalist compound idea in Idaho (2/6/2013 4:35:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Fightdirecto quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 The common denominators seems to be fear...that government is a mortal enemy. [image]local://upfiles/42188/508E668C067E45C2AF1DB4A7EF5F34A2.jpg[/image] You know, looking at that guy, you think there is some kind of brain damage or at least a very low IQ.[:D]

jlf1961 -> RE: Survivalist compound idea in Idaho (2/6/2013 5:16:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Fightdirecto quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 The common denominators seems to be fear...that government is a mortal enemy. [image]local://upfiles/42188/508E668C067E45C2AF1DB4A7EF5F34A2.jpg[/image] First of all, going head to head with the US military is not quite as bad an idea as you might think. Alone, yes, but there is something the US military has not learned about modern warfare, they didnt learn it in Vietnam, and they have not learned in Afghanistan and Iraq. The whole US combat system is based on a set piece battle field. The enemy is toward your front, or moving along a given line of progress. Works great if the other side is playing by the same set of rules. However, insurgents do not play by those rules. Hit and run, no prolonged contact with the opposing force. In this case, walled compound and all, there is but one thing to say. Tactically speaking, they are idiots.

EsotericLady -> RE: Survivalist compound idea in Idaho (2/6/2013 7:03:38 PM)
Just curious...but did you go to the link the OP offered in his first post??? quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 The real problem with this set up is rather obvious. A doomsday or survivalist compound is not for permanent habitation prior to the actual disaster that makes it necessary to move there. Creature comfort is lacking, as well as basic facilities while the compound is under construction. Survivalist or preppers, as a general rule, do not abandon civilization prior to the catastrophe that makes it necessary to l;eave the urban or suburban environment. The primary reason for leaving is the lack of services such as water and power. Initial supplies are kept in the home, but those are just to get by until the move to the desired location to last out the long haul. This sounds more like a group of extremists and it may end up in a stand off with authorities.

EsotericLady -> RE: Survivalist compound idea in Idaho (2/6/2013 7:09:33 PM)
Gee....thanks for the pass! So will that be good for awhile, or is there an expiration date on it? LMAO quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 You get a pass for being new.[:)]The "quote" boxs format the post.The best thing to do is reply at the very bottom.<winks> I got my info about "the citadel" from The Colbert Report and a few stories about glen beck`s plans to build a "compound". The common denominators seems to be fear of almost everything,a fantasy/hope that civilization will dissolve,a belief that guns solve every problem and that government is a mortal enemy. http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/422752/january-09-2013/idaho-s-walled---armed-community http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/412839/april-18-2012/stephen-colbert-s-end-of-the-world-of-the-week---doomsday-preppers

jlf1961 -> RE: Survivalist compound idea in Idaho (2/6/2013 8:27:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: EsotericLady Just curious...but did you go to the link the OP offered in his first post??? quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 The real problem with this set up is rather obvious. A doomsday or survivalist compound is not for permanent habitation prior to the actual disaster that makes it necessary to move there. Creature comfort is lacking, as well as basic facilities while the compound is under construction. Survivalist or preppers, as a general rule, do not abandon civilization prior to the catastrophe that makes it necessary to l;eave the urban or suburban environment. The primary reason for leaving is the lack of services such as water and power. Initial supplies are kept in the home, but those are just to get by until the move to the desired location to last out the long haul. This sounds more like a group of extremists and it may end up in a stand off with authorities. I am addressing the premise of such a community. He has stated that there will be a facility for the manufacture of firearms, which, unless you have the proper ATF licensing, is illegal. More realistically, the size of group he is talking about is bit out of the scope of probability. Survivalist communities are more successful at much lower numbers, between 40 and 100 people. Then there is the communal living aspect of the plan. Communes have a tendency to destabilize over time, of the thousands of communes started in the 60's only a few hundred survive, and many of them evolved into a familial community, small, close nit. On paper, a great idea, with a few kinks. I also addressed a few remarks that have come up in posts.

Louve00 -> RE: Survivalist compound idea in Idaho (2/6/2013 8:40:49 PM)
I don't know if it's been mentioned yet, or not. But, has anyone seen the TV show Revolution? This thread kind of reminds me of it. Hoarding supplies is all well and good until someone gets sick and needs medical attention (medicine). Then you leave your compound to search for medicine to save a loved one. The price can be incredibly high, without touching precious food. The republic turned to a democracy. It's interesting to just let your mind wander as you think of the possibilities of what could actually happen. But alas. The only way to know for sure how it would all turn out is when it happens. [sm=pushed.gif]

Nosathro -> RE: Survivalist compound idea in Idaho (2/6/2013 9:49:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Louve00 I don't know if it's been mentioned yet, or not. But, has anyone seen the TV show Revolution? This thread kind of reminds me of it. Hoarding supplies is all well and good until someone gets sick and needs medical attention (medicine). Then you leave your compound to search for medicine to save a loved one. The price can be incredibly high, without touching precious food. The republic turned to a democracy. It's interesting to just let your mind wander as you think of the possibilities of what could actually happen. But alas. The only way to know for sure how it would all turn out is when it happens. [sm=pushed.gif] It is a TV show....I guess I am the only who reads books around here[sm=book.gif]

graceadieu -> RE: Survivalist compound idea in Idaho (2/6/2013 10:50:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead I can't imagine what else the point of this might be. I bet it's so a bunch of people will send him money. Hasn't Glen Beck been selling places in his non-existant special town for years? This guy probably wants in on that.

Moonhead -> RE: Survivalist compound idea in Idaho (2/7/2013 5:12:39 AM)
Maybe it's all preparation for a docusoap? Kerodin and his crew are the only ones who don't know that the coming apocalyptic breakdown in social order is going to be faked by Fox and them monitored with hidden cameras to produce a sort of "I'm A Celebrity..." with guns. [:D]

Nosathro -> RE: Survivalist compound idea in Idaho (2/7/2013 5:32:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: Switcheroo1983 quote: ORIGINAL: Nosathro I keep thinking about how people become involved in other groups that ended in disaster......here we go again. The images that ran through my mind upon reading the story were - 1. Mr. Kerodin is crazy like a fox 2. FBI/ATF having probable cause to execute a search warrant on Mr. Kerodin 3. That is exactly what Mr. Kerodin is banking on. He will have no firearms in the house, will turn around a sue the pants off of the feds, thereby obtaining funds to build this "citadel". Crazier shit has happened. What would he sue over? His actions and statements give probably cause, thus not abridging his 4th Amendment rights. Unless they tear the shit out of the place, they shouldn't have to fear litigation. You can file a law suit against anyone for anything how far it goes is anyone guest, many law suits are settled out of court.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Survivalist compound idea in Idaho (2/7/2013 7:12:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead Maybe it's all preparation for a docusoap? Kerodin and his crew are the only ones who don't know that the coming apocalyptic breakdown in social order is going to be faked by Fox and them monitored with hidden cameras to produce a sort of "I'm A Celebrity..." with guns. [:D] Shhhh... he might catch on.

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