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Subservitude V Autonomy - 6/20/2006 10:12:41 AM

Lilmiss0

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Personally I am wondering to what extent an individual's autonomous self and their submissive self can be effectively united. My question is this: in a 24/7 D/s relationship that is not based on a total exchange of power. Where can the line be drawn between being a self determining, autonmous individual and being a submissive/ Slave?

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RE: Subservitude V Autonomy - 6/20/2006 10:15:00 AM

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Wherever it feels right to draw it.

Submission/slavery is not defined by ACTS.

A person can be just as much a slave on the front line of a battle as they are kneeling and chains.

Whatever the management/personality style of the dominant works best with, that's how it is.

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RE: Subservitude V Autonomy - 6/20/2006 10:43:11 PM

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I think that every couple will find boundaries and expectations that are tight for them. All Doms like to give instructions, both for the act of having them obeyed, and because it gives them a chance to express what their likes are. I think every Dom will fall at some different point in the spectrum between lking the act of giving orders, and the effect of having what they want. It is up to the couple to decide --once the sub fully understands her Don;s preferences --how much initiative and creativity she should show in meeting them, and how much is presumptuous.

As ever, these are but the vaguest of generalities.

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RE: Subservitude V Autonomy - 6/21/2006 11:46:45 AM

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you seem to consider that Subservitude can't co-exist with Autonomy.

I think you need to consider what is Autonomy in the first place. In general we consider autonomy to be the personal independence of a person. Personal independence is the power to make ones choices in life. But,ones choices can be very Macro in Nature to very Micro in nature. Even in the Power Transfer of Authority from one person to one, the decision to maintain this transfer must be continueously be made. Most times this decision is automatic and without any consideration. Sometimes the decision is more difficult becuase the challenge of servitude has pushed a person to their limits. Sometimes the Dominant demonstrates character/behavior that undermines the very qualities that earned the power transfer in the first place. Most often in healthy functionaly D/s relationship the submissive doesn't need to consider withdrawing consent. In fact, in these times of relationships, the submissive acts autonomously in doing their part within the relationship. They make a choice to obey. Every submissive has a standard that will inspire/motivate them to obey. They establish this standard consciously or unconsciously. You see this so often in descriptions from various submissive's description of Dominance. This description is the submissive expressing their autonomy of choice of the Dominance that motivates them to submit.

So in my opinion, the Autonomy of a Submissive will predetermine the dominant person and servitude they can expect to see. In my opinion this type of progression will provide the greatest possibility of a healthy functional D/s relationship. A strong Autonomous submissive before Submission to a Dominant will provide an opportuity for a strong foundation to a healthy functional D/s Relationship.

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