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SanDieoSub -> Swallowing & The Logical Result (2/7/2013 2:10:15 AM)

Hello All,

Yes, this post is about exactly what you might think it is... a male sub swallowing his own cum. I already know how I feel about it (as a male sub), but the reason why I'm posting it here is to understand the Domme perspective.

First, I'd like to explain that I don't necessarily like to swallow my own, the idea of it does arouse me, but I find the reality of it is incredibly gross and improper. It is something I need to be force fed, and I resist. So my first question to Dommes is does the flat out grossness of watching a male do this appeal to you or amuse you in any way?

Second, I'd like to point out (at least in my view, which I understand is debatable) that a Woman's power to arouse man and bring him to orgasm is uncheckable. Look at the sex strike that took place under the women of Liberia. Forcing a man to swallow his own seems to me like the ultimate exploitation of that. "Oh can't control yourself, well here, have a gulp..." So my second question is do Dommes agree with that, and if so what are your experiences?

Third, I'd like to remind the females that blowing a load is the ultimate pleasure for a man. Being forced to swallow it is literally like having it blow up in your face. It is the ultimate form of refection. "Here is what you have been striving so hard for, have it back..." My third question is do Dommes enjoy the rejection factor?

Next, I have come to realize that maybe the reason why I'm asking these questions has to do with the inherent dilemma between a Domme and her sub male... What exactly is "supposed" to happen to the semen? The very act of coitus strikes me as a male dominant behavior (the male fucking the female). How do Dommes deal with this dilemma?

Lastly, the above make me realize that perhaps I am simply not meant to cum at all but to be continually denied as a cuck. Do you Dommes think that my fascination with this subject is rooted by my destiny as a man that is meant to be denied in all circumstances.



SanDieoSub -> RE: Swallowing & The Logical Result (2/7/2013 2:16:32 AM)

A couple of corrections: refection should have been rejection... and a question mark in lieu of the period at the end. Oops.



LadyPact -> RE: Swallowing & The Logical Result (2/7/2013 2:38:16 AM)

OK, My first question back to you is going to be why are you not asking the Dominant woman in your life these questions, rather than getting a general consensus? At the end of the day, it doesn't matter what I think. What matters is what does the woman in your life think.

Going in order of your actual questions.......

First, the flat out grossness? Women swallow cum all of the time. Why should you feel that you shouldn't have to do what women do on a regular basis? If it tastes bad, change your diet. Otherwise, get over it. You're no better than any female sub who has to swallow when her Dom tells her to.

Second, no, I don't agree with you. My kink practices have nothing to do with a peace movement anymore than Me branding My sub was in conjunction with the human brandings to protest meat.

Third, again, no. We really don't need a reminder of how much men think about their orgasms or how they are considered your ultimate pleasure. Trust Me. We already know. If it were about rejection, we wouldn't allow you to have one in the first place. Not in My case, anyway.

Fourth, male Dominant behavior. LMAO. What is it about you that makes you think you shouldn't be used in any and all ways that are wanted by an owner? If she wants to have sex, that's her decision and the natural result of that is up to her discretion. How do I deal with it? I say that obedience is damn important around here and if I've got a male sub that doesn't obey, I'll get another one.

Last, I've owned a cuck and I can tell you right now that cuckholding isn't entirely about denial. It's about Me owning My sexuality AND his. That means if I decide denial, that's what happens. If I say perform sexually, to whatever degree I've decided on, that's what happens. I would venture to guess that your fascination with the subject has quite a bit to do with your orgasms and fantasies. The idea is to remove that from the equation.

In short, I would highly suggest talking to your Dominant about these difficulties that you are having about not turning these things over to her authority. She may just end up with a better submissive for it.





wannapleez -> RE: Swallowing & The Logical Result (2/7/2013 7:12:46 AM)


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ORIGINAL: SanDieoSub

A couple of corrections: refection should have been rejection... and a question mark in lieu of the period at the end. Oops.




You have a while (an hour, I think) to edit your post after you first put it up. No need to write up a separate post detailing your typos - just fix them.



EsotericLady -> RE: Swallowing & The Logical Result (2/7/2013 7:37:17 AM)

My answers to the OP's questions, in the order in which they were asked, would be:

1. No

2. No

3. No



wannapleez -> RE: Swallowing & The Logical Result (2/7/2013 8:10:05 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: SanDieoSub
I'd like to remind the females that blowing a load is the ultimate pleasure for a man.


BZZZZZZZ! Wrong!

Thanks for playing! We have some lovely parting gifts for you. Maybe it is "the ultimate pleasure" for you. Maybe even for many/most men. But not for all men. Please don't over-generalize.

Also, I find your "I'd like to remind the females" line very offensive and condescending. Do not be surprised if a Domme with less restraint than LadyPact comes along and rips you a new one.

Since you deigned to speak for an entire gender, I'll deign to throw in my 0.02USD even though it wasn't requested. All of what I say here is based on my own experience. YMMV. (Note how I don't over-generalize.)

To borrow a phrase from LadyPact, every D/s relationship that I've been in was about the Domme owning her sexuality and mine. One of the results of that was that I was only supposed to cum with prior permission. With one Domme, being the sadist that she was, when I warned her that I was close to cumming, she often didn't stop whatever she was doing that was getting me there (stroking, sucking, etc). She would continue for 15, 30, 60 seconds (or even more), pushing me closer and closer to the edge. And sometimes that pushing went too far and I was unable to hold back, and so I came without permission. On these occasions, I was then scolded and told that I had to clean up the mess that I made. Since I had cum without permission, it was solely my responsibility.

Now if I had seen this as undesirable (and I did the first few times), then it could have been viewed as a punishment for cumming without permission. But if not, then it was simply cleaning up the mess that I made. Depending on where/how, there might be an additional factor of subservience that the Domme might enjoy. (For instance, one such occasion, I was on all fours on the bed when I came, so I had to lick my cum up off the sheets.) But in general, it was little more than cleaning up after myself.

One other thought: I see many profiles here (and on other sites) of men and women who want to be subs primarily because they are dominant in their jobs and/or other parts of their everyday life. So they are seeking a respite from that in a D/s relationship. In a sense, though, they are also subverting the paradigm of their own personal life.

There is a bit of truth in one thing that you said (though I think you take its ramifications way too far): our society is primarily male-dominated. Some (though not all) Dommes and male subs may gain enjoyment from subverting the overall societal paradigm. Yes, what LadyPact said is true -- "women swallow cum all the time". But that is the "norm" according to the societal paradigm (making the distinction that "norm" and "right" are two different words that can be very exclusive of each other). And so one of the paradigm subversions (that brings enjoyment to some) may be a man swallowing his own cum.

(Though personally, I think a closer analog to a woman swallowing a man's cum would be for the Domme to squirt in the sub's face/mouth. But not all women are squirters. But her overall point -- "why should you be any different?" -- stands.)



WankingTroll -> RE: Swallowing & The Logical Result (2/7/2013 11:59:53 AM)

It is much more fun swallowing my Goddess's cum.



EsotericLady -> RE: Swallowing & The Logical Result (2/7/2013 12:25:07 PM)

(Heh!) Nothing like a creative response!!! Cute!
quote:

ORIGINAL: wannapleez

BZZZZZZZ! Wrong!

Thanks for playing! We have some lovely parting gifts for you.
Also, I find your "I'd like to remind the females" line very offensive and condescending. Do not be surprised if a Domme with less restraint than LadyPact comes along and rips you a new one.




NiceButMeanGirl -> RE: Swallowing & The Logical Result (2/7/2013 2:24:08 PM)

First, why shouldn't you have to swallow your own cum?? Female subs swallow their man's cum all the time. They also have to taste their own juices lots of times. Why shouldn't you?? If you don't like it, change your diet. lol

Second, my sexuality and sex acts have absolutely nothing to do with politics anywhere in the world, here or anywhere else either.

Third, why does it have to be about rejection?? Maybe it's about being made to accept your own sexuality. Maybe it's because I don't want to swallow it. Maybe it's just because I don't want a mess all over the place and, if you swallow it, I don't have to wash a towel. haha Also, again, why would making you eat your own cum have anything to do with rejection? Like LadyP said, if it was about rejection, I wouldn't let you have an orgasm in the first place.

Next, what is supposed to happen to the semen? Whatever I want to happen to it. As for coitus being male Dominant behavior, I don't agree. I can have sex in any position I want to and still be Dominant, even doggy style. It's a matter of who's in control and the mindset of both people, not the positioning.

Lastly, I disagree that cucking is all about continuous denial. It doesn't have to be continuous. It's about denying him satisfaction when I want to and allowing it at other times....when I want to. It's about me owning and having control over the man's sexuality, period. Actually, cucking is one of the most dick-centric fetishes that I can think of. So is chastity which, by the way, really is a separate, although related at times, fetish.

If you're having issues with eating your own cum or anything else you mentioned in your OP, I suggest you talk to the Dominant woman in your life about them. She will be the one you need to please, not us.

NBMG



wannapleez -> RE: Swallowing & The Logical Result (2/7/2013 2:49:31 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: NiceButMeanGirl
Second, my sexuality and sex acts have absolutely nothing to do with politics anywhere in the world, here or anywhere else either.


Well, depending on what's on the books in your state, you may be breaking the law -- that's kinda political. :)

(Pretty sure that here in Georgia, even vanilla sex with a non-spouse is still technically illegal.)



NiceButMeanGirl -> RE: Swallowing & The Logical Result (2/7/2013 5:15:02 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: wannapleez


quote:

ORIGINAL: NiceButMeanGirl
Second, my sexuality and sex acts have absolutely nothing to do with politics anywhere in the world, here or anywhere else either.


Well, depending on what's on the books in your state, you may be breaking the law -- that's kinda political. :)

(Pretty sure that here in Georgia, even vanilla sex with a non-spouse is still technically illegal.)

Yeah, well, I think everyone here knew what I was really getting at. Whether he swallows it or someone else swallows it, it really makes no difference politically, as far as I can tell. But, yeah, everyone knows what I mean. I'm not really conducting my sex life for any political reason.

NBMG



absolutchocolat -> RE: Swallowing & The Logical Result (2/7/2013 5:17:26 PM)

Wanking thread. Ask your partner, Domme, or whatever voice in your head that wants answers to those questions.



wannapleez -> RE: Swallowing & The Logical Result (2/7/2013 6:35:22 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: absolutchocolat
Wanking thread.

Seems that substantive answers (even if they are appropriately derisive) would disagree with that analysis.



absolutchocolat -> RE: Swallowing & The Logical Result (2/8/2013 1:32:07 AM)

Feel free to disagree. No skin off my nose.



wannapleez -> RE: Swallowing & The Logical Result (2/8/2013 7:56:54 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: absolutchocolat
Feel free to disagree. No skin off my nose.


You are certainly welcome to your opinion. But when you openly cite that opinion as fact, you are telling us that you mystically have omniscience into the true motives of the OP.

I was merely trying to point out evidence to the contrary of your statement, rather than simply laugh hysterically at such claims. If you would prefer the latter, that can be arranged.



Akrotiri -> RE: Swallowing & The Logical Result (2/8/2013 8:40:31 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: WankingTroll

It is much more fun swallowing my Goddess's cum.


I dream of that!



SomethingCatchy -> RE: Swallowing & The Logical Result (2/8/2013 11:51:10 AM)

quote:

So my first question to Dommes is does the flat out grossness of watching a male do this appeal to you or amuse you in any way?


I have never thought of it as gross or disgusting watching a man swallow his own ejaculate. I think it's incredibly hot since it shows a level of submission since he most likely does not what to do it.

quote:

So my second question is do Dommes agree with that, and if so what are your experiences?


Don't have a clue what you're even talking about here.

quote:

Third, I'd like to remind the females that blowing a load is the ultimate pleasure for a man.


How dare you come here and talk down at me as if I've lived my entire 27 years under a rock and have zero common sense. Fuck your opinion on what the ultimate pleasure for a MAN is. In my experience with MEN (not to be confused with males that don't deserve the title of Man) their ultimate pleasure was NEVER about his orgasm, but then again I've been with some fantastic MEN who don't care much about their penises, testicles, or prostates as long as they're in working order.

quote:

My third question is do Dommes enjoy the rejection factor?


I have never enjoyed rejecting people. I am not a bitch and I do not like hurting people's feelings. If I were with a submissive man who felt rejected because I refuse to swallow his ejaculate and insist he does it himself I would force him to get professional therapy so that he can come to terms with his own sexuality and stop the negative emotions he associates with.

quote:

How do Dommes deal with this dilemma?


What delimma? If you feel that you can't possibly have sex with a woman ever and still remain 'submissive' that's not my problem. That's yours. The concept of dominance in mammals is so screwed up that I actually rolled my eyes when you started talking about how males fuck females. In the mammal kingdom it's rare for a male to rape a female, and the female always ALLOWS the male to mate with her. How is her allowing the act of reproduction anything about male domination?

quote:

Do you Dommes think that my fascination with this subject is rooted by my destiny as a man that is meant to be denied in all circumstances.


I think your fascination with it spells out some sort of insecurity/confusion with your sexuality and human behavior and I highly suggest getting some therapy before dragging someone else into your issues.



wannapleez -> RE: Swallowing & The Logical Result (2/8/2013 12:24:32 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: SomethingCatchy
How dare you come here and talk down at me as if I've lived my entire 27 years under a rock and have zero common sense. Fuck your opinion on what the ultimate pleasure for a MAN is.


Dear OP, remember when I said this?

quote:

Also, I find your "I'd like to remind the females" line very offensive and condescending. Do not be surprised if a Domme with less restraint than LadyPact comes along and rips you a new one.


Yeah, that's kinda what I was talking about. Enjoy the extra orifice. You probably deserve it. ;-)



absolutchocolat -> RE: Swallowing & The Logical Result (2/10/2013 4:38:53 AM)

Whatever floats your boat, darlin'. [8|]




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